WhereAreMahDragonz
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I think Dany's going to get killed too.
It'll probably be Gendry or either Rickon or Sansa.
It'll probably be Gendry or either Rickon or Sansa.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO
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Sophie Turner really is beautiful.
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I know right? It's clear that the throne is meant for Pod.
Supermanisdead
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that's what i love so much about it. after tyrion, she goes through harry, then aegon and then some tyrell and she's got it made. after all her dead husbands, she'll marry some poor street urchin and make him king.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Cersei, Margaery, and all the rest of the Lannisters would have to die, and she would have to raise a northern army and somehow gain the support of the southerners. She would probably already have the backing of the Knights of the Vale, but would also be fighting off two Targaryens and Dany's dragons, plus Stannis.
Crazy if you think about it, but it would be an unexpected ending.
Argh, I couldn't take it. Just subscribed to HBO. Would have done this last year, but I didn't realize you could subscribe to just HBO. I thought you had to add a big premium package.
My body is officially ready for S4 and I'm especially hyped since I just finished S3 yesterday.
My body is officially ready for S4 and I'm especially hyped since I just finished S3 yesterday.
PHOENIXZERO
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I wonder who will be left from Arya's list to eliminate by the time she seriously gets around to it. I think it'd be fitting for everyone left that was high up on the list ends up dying without her involvement and how that'd affect her story.
I'll agree with that.
The contrast between her eyebrows and the wig has been bugging me in the previews where it didn't before, like she lightened them a bit in past seasons but didn't this time around. Probably just me.
I'll agree with that.
The contrast between her eyebrows and the wig has been bugging me in the previews where it didn't before, like she lightened them a bit in past seasons but didn't this time around. Probably just me.
I've realized that both the North and the Iron Throne have two claimants, male and female. Jon and Sansa Stark could both be heir to the North, and Daenerys and Aegon Targaryen both have claims to the Iron Throne.
Perhaps two different marriages might be arranged in a way to unify the realm?
Perhaps two different marriages might be arranged in a way to unify the realm?
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Jon and Dany is my OTP. I hope it happens.
I really, really love the idea of Jon and Dany. Fire and ice, and all that.
What I wonder, though, is if there will be a third party in the mix? Almost every Targaryen ruler had multiple spouses, and if Danaerys is emulating Aegon I with the three dragons, I wonder if she'll have two husbands as well.
Woo, Team Stannis!
Damn straight.
If this happens I'll be so pissed. I ship Dany and
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The thirteenth Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Fucked an Other, went evil, named himself the Night's King, bound the black brothers to his will. His own brother, The King in the North, had to team up with the King Beyond the Wall, Joramun (the one with the possibly wall shattering horn), to take him out.
I don't understand Stannis love at all. Were he king, he'd have a major religious rebellion on his hands. The people of Westeros would not take kindly to a ruler who burns children and destroys icons of their gods.
Hopefully Stannis will die, so Danaerys has one less obstacle in front of her throne.
Hopefully Stannis will die, so Danaerys has one less obstacle in front of her throne.
PHOENIXZERO
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But if R+L=J turns out to be true and Jon knows will he be cool with marrying and banging his aunt?
Oh wow... been a while since I read the books, and I think the show has sort of screwed with my memory of certain events. That change does indeed sound pretty awful.
If Jon is revealed to be Rhaegars son wouldn't he have better claim than Dany for the iron throne?
I can see Jon on the throne at the end. He has claim to the north and the throne. Plus he could get help from Arya and Bran. Who I think are the two major wildcards for anyone in the series.
PhoenixDark
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http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1jfatm/spoilers_all_the_identity_of_the_new_nights_king/
Blue eyed king who cast no shadow. Hmm.
So much will happen here, what a ride it will be, seriously. They are covering the climaxes of nearly every plotline in the first three seasons, it's gonna be insane.
If they want to be even slightly true to the book, they can't look too... fantasy-ish. Some of the Children live among human and can go for centuries without being noticed, so they can't stand out in the society too much. The third fan art would not work, the first could with some concealment. I think the first is closest to the description we get throughout the media.
If they want to be even slightly true to the book, they can't look too... fantasy-ish. Some of the Children live among human and can go for centuries without being noticed, so they can't stand out in the society too much. The third fan art would not work, the first could with some concealment. I think the first is closest to the description we get throughout the media.
Exterminieren
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Jon would be Rhaegar's bastard at best. He won't just be revealed to be Rhaegar's son and stroll on to the Iron Throne, it's going to be harder won than that.
Moff
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jons claim is gone for so many reasons, its why I dont see yet why this could be such an important mystery.
1. lyanna and rhaegar COULD have married, I'm no sure it its certain they were not wed. the kingsguard at the tower of joy MIGHT imply she was married, were they really there for a bastard? or rhaegars wife?
BUT, it doesnt raelly matter if jon was a real targaryen, the targaryen claim was destroyed by robert, by conquest, they dont have a claim anymore. dany, too, doesnt have a claim to the throne, she too, needs to take it by conquest.
2. even if lyanna was married, even if the targaryens had still a claim. Dany and Aegon would have a better claim. Targaryen succession laws are not 100% clear as far as I know, but if males are not preferred, Dany has still a better claim than him, and Aegon does certainly, if he is real.
3. even if lyanna was married and the targaryens still had a claim and Daenerys and Aegon would both die, Jon lost all his privileges when he swore the vow of the nights watch.
4. its next to impossible to prove that whole story, at least to make it legit enough that the whole realm would accept jon as their king.
5. he might be dead
1. lyanna and rhaegar COULD have married, I'm no sure it its certain they were not wed. the kingsguard at the tower of joy MIGHT imply she was married, were they really there for a bastard? or rhaegars wife?
BUT, it doesnt raelly matter if jon was a real targaryen, the targaryen claim was destroyed by robert, by conquest, they dont have a claim anymore. dany, too, doesnt have a claim to the throne, she too, needs to take it by conquest.
2. even if lyanna was married, even if the targaryens had still a claim. Dany and Aegon would have a better claim. Targaryen succession laws are not 100% clear as far as I know, but if males are not preferred, Dany has still a better claim than him, and Aegon does certainly, if he is real.
3. even if lyanna was married and the targaryens still had a claim and Daenerys and Aegon would both die, Jon lost all his privileges when he swore the vow of the nights watch.
4. its next to impossible to prove that whole story, at least to make it legit enough that the whole realm would accept jon as their king.
5. he might be dead
PHOENIXZERO
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I'm in the boat with the idea that Jon's "death" is at the very least in part a way to get him out of his oath. Along with other things...
DragonSworne
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Pretty much. That is the only reason to for his "death" as I see it. That and to kill off Stannis so Jon has an army.
Can't wait. Non-book readers have no idea what they're in for. There are so many just insane and shocking moments. I know everyone considers the Red Wedding to be THE ultimate surprise in the series, but I felt like these later events have an almost equal feeling of disbelief considering your perception of the story changes completely after RW. I'd list the scenes I'm anticipating, but it would be too long. I'm really interested to see Stannis in Braavos as that's a completely new storyline. I also really want to see Bloodraven and Leaf. Someone asked earlier about the CotF. I agree that their appearance is somewhat hard to visualize, but this picture is the closest to my imagination.
In the lore vignettes on the DVD, they have shown the CotF and they look to be inspired by Native Americans or other "aboriginal" cultures across the world.
Blood does matter.
Robert took the throne by conquest, but people accepted him because he has Targaryen blood through his grandmother. (and all the Targs were dead or exiled, so he was the right choice if we follow the bloodline)
If anyone could sit the throne there would probably even more rebellions. Joffrey was the first true usurper. He has no royal blood at all.
That is sort of misunderstanding the situation at hand. Blood does matter when it comes to the succession of an established dynasty. However, Robert is not considered a part or a continuation of the Targaryen dynasty, regardless of who his grandmother was.
In fact, the Roberts Rebellion was by and large an anti-Targaryen movement, and the crucial parties involved in the alliance ( Starks, Baratheon, Tullys, Arryn ) cared nothing for whether or not Robert was of Targaryen blood, but the fact that Robert was charismatic, commanded armies and could seemingly find an ally with anyone over a cup of wine did. That is 'why' people accepted him as their king. If Robert had been a weak person who didn't like war-mongering or was anti-social, then he would not have become their leader and would not have been proclaimed king, regardless of him having a better claim though his grandma.
And many people didn't really accept Robert either, and these were of course the pro-Targaryen party, such as say, Dorne ( thought there were certainly others spread across the realm ), who would sooner put an exile on the throne. But what could they do, when they didn't have the right alliances? They couldn't do anything about it. All they could do was give oaths of fealty and swear not to rebel or else they be smashed.
And I don't think Robert would have been the only man with Targaryen blood. Medieval families in general were usually very closely related through marriages of alliances. Roberts Targaryen blood came more like a footnote by the maesters, but Robert rule was held together by his warhammer, not people accepting he had Targaryen blood and that somehow made him fit to rule.
Also, it is interesting to note that Robert DID set the tone for that "anyone can sit the throne". The War of the Five Kings happened because of this. Renly for instance, unlike Stannis cared not a fig if Joffrey was a bastard or not and apparently the entirety of the Reach didn't care either. The fact that Renly could knit an Baratheon/Tyrell alliance was all that mattered, and had he not been assassinated, he may very well have taken the throne by conquest, like Robert ( for a while anyway ).
cartoon_soldier
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That would be really cool to see, I think those are my favorite ones in the bunch. Honestly, the first one I posted kind of look like Gollum wearing lipstick and a wig.
God damn.
#queen
Moff
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I just noticed that only 7 of the 46 characters in the OP will die this season, and thats even if you count sandor. not that much for a show with that reputation.
balon is not in it though, and I'm especially looking foward to his death, I wonder how they will show it, if it will even be on screen.
since there are theores that it was the work of a faceless man.
balon is not in it though, and I'm especially looking foward to his death, I wonder how they will show it, if it will even be on screen.
since there are theores that it was the work of a faceless man.
Indeed
I said damn.
Which is okay since she's only about 3 years younger than me.
Pai Pai Master
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Can't deal with those legs
Lactose_Intolerant
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this thread has taken a turn
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Quick, we need some shirtless Jaime to even it out
The show gets a lot of flak about gratuitous scenes but no one ever mentions this. JUST THREE BROS BEING BROS
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She also has a nice character arc. Much more believable then her cliche sister.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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The show gets a lot of flak about gratuitous scenes but no one ever mentions this. JUST THREE BROS BEING BROS
I mean I'm not complaining
Don't worry, the trailers have generally shown the same footage with different music and voice-overs each time.
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