King Allant
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lol sound like a book reader
oh well if he is, at least he isn't hinting what might come
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO
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lol sound like a book reader
oh well if he is, at least he isn't hinting what might come
A Human Becoming
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What was in front of Dwarf Renly?
They just can't stop shitting on Stannis as a character, as if last season's episode wasn't enough.
I know GRRM wrote this script, but at the producers' discretion, which could've changed things. Killing his brother-in-law because he wouldn't destroy his idols? Stannis burned septs and godswoods, but he never ordered any of his men to abandon the Faith of the Seven.
Alester Florent was burned because he betrayed Stannis and tried to make peace with the Lannisters, a much more likeable reasoning than religious fervor.
Show Stannis is a religious zealot controlled by Melisandre that's always pissed at Davos, whereas in the books he becomes growingly distrustful of Melisandre.
I'm now convinced the cart before the horse speech won't be in the show at all and most show fans will still hate him even after Castle Black.
I know GRRM wrote this script, but at the producers' discretion, which could've changed things. Killing his brother-in-law because he wouldn't destroy his idols? Stannis burned septs and godswoods, but he never ordered any of his men to abandon the Faith of the Seven.
Alester Florent was burned because he betrayed Stannis and tried to make peace with the Lannisters, a much more likeable reasoning than religious fervor.
Show Stannis is a religious zealot controlled by Melisandre that's always pissed at Davos, whereas in the books he becomes growingly distrustful of Melisandre.
I'm now convinced the cart before the horse speech won't be in the show at all and most show fans will still hate him even after Castle Black.
RatskyWatsky
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That's true. He's also called the Red Viper, which I'm surprised is something that people in the other thread haven't picked up on and ran with (yet).
I really fucking hate shae both in the books and the show but I can't help but wonder what is going on with her in this one. Are they setting up a Bronn betrayal after she gets captured or a Varys betrayal? I can see it being Varys with his comments about what Tywin and Cersei would do if they caught him lying. But I would not like it.. I for one was hoping Varys would stay out of it I hated it when he fucked tyrion over in the books.
toddhunter
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Brienne?
I think you are getting ahead of yourself. The three kings are not even down yet, which is the peak of Stannis thinking that "hey, there is something to this god thing".
Then they'll do the whole thing with Gendry and his daughter for about three episodes and he can start his face turn.
Give it time.
A Human Becoming
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I thought it might be Loras due to the hair and the obvious sexual references made.
PHOENIXZERO
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I think they kind of bashed it over everyone's head that Olenna is involved, from the necklace scene in the premiere to tonight's episode with the Sansa scene and all the shots of her leading up to it. But it really wasn't meant to be that much in way of a mystery anyway.
That was terrible and the guy taking the video was annoying, that guy upstairs, meh.
No idea but like I already said, I'm disappointed they cut Joffrey's line about his Valyrian Steel experience among others.
I saw that and had a nice laugh, I wonder if it was someone who's read the books or just knows and is trying to be funny.
That was terrible and the guy taking the video was annoying, that guy upstairs, meh.
No idea but like I already said, I'm disappointed they cut Joffrey's line about his Valyrian Steel experience among others.
I saw that and had a nice laugh, I wonder if it was someone who's read the books or just knows and is trying to be funny.
toddhunter
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Heh, could be.
Either way it is pretty edgy for a wedding with both of those people in attendance.
Probably just a generic blonde guy.
Murder. She Wrote
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Yo did anyone else notice the blue haired guy in one of the shots of the wedding? I'm glad they got at least one bluehead in the show.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Just realized that the promo shows
Ahh, next week is going to be so good.
Sansa escaping with Dontos
Ahh, next week is going to be so good.
I've always figured that Little Finger set things in motion but he probably never directly planned things with the Olenna. Little Finger seems to only directly share his plans with people he can easily manipulate and dispose of when he's done.
While it's smart to not take everything LF says at face value it's clear in the book that the poison was in Sansa's hairnet and that the QoT removed it from the hairnet when she adjusted it.
Just because GRRM wrote this episode it doesn't mean he wrote all of the scenes in the episode. They move scenes forward or back between episodes all the time.
blainethemono
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The Silver
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Is that Tommen in that pic?
Is that Tommen in that pic?
Yes.
Yep.
He was recast. The new Tommen was one of the Lannister kids (Martyn Lannister) who was killed by Karstark in S3.
Way too old :/
DrForester
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Much like with their choice to make pretty much all the kids older, it will make for a much less jarring aging up as the season's progress, so I'm OK with it.
Yeah, folks think thats why they picked him. They wanted to avoid a bit of the creepy/pedo factor when is becomes TommenxMargaery.
A Human Becoming
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Probably no kittens.
Steelyuhas
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What a great hour. The wedding scenes were just fantastic, cool to see the dwarf entertainment, I didn't really expect that in the show for some reason.
The last 10 minutes just oozed tension.
Random:
-Loras shitting on Jaime :lol
-The Tywin/Oberyn scene was great
-Dragonstone looks like an absolutely miserable place
-Bran's scenes were nice. The location looked gorgeous, David and Dan aren't joking when they say the worse the weather gets the better the show will look. "Hodor" coming out of the Doe's mouth when Bran was sleeping was freaky.
The last 10 minutes just oozed tension.
Random:
-Loras shitting on Jaime :lol
-The Tywin/Oberyn scene was great
-Dragonstone looks like an absolutely miserable place
-Bran's scenes were nice. The location looked gorgeous, David and Dan aren't joking when they say the worse the weather gets the better the show will look. "Hodor" coming out of the Doe's mouth when Bran was sleeping was freaky.
Maybe not. I thought the imagery of the wimpy kittens compared to the Stark direwolves and Dany's Dragons was an important juxtaposition.Probably no kittens.
Yeah, makes sense. In the books they have a lot of time to explain the situation in a way it doesn't feel too wrong, but in tv you have to shorten things or else.
So, was it good overall? I don't think I'll see the episode until tonight and the wait is killing me.
Agreed. They probably did it because it would look creepy having him married to Margaery. I wonder if they're doing the same with Robin (Robert) Arryn considering he's in love with Sansa. Like father, like son.
BrokenEchelon
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Did they recast Roose?
No but he did look different.
Citizen_Insane
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Was reading through the non-spoilers thread to laugh at reactions (I have no intention of posting in there for whatever reason) and saw this and it pissed me off so much. Really hope all these stealth-readers acting smart get banned because that's so fucking unacceptable. There is no way anyone can come up with that conclusion about the necklace, especially considering Margaery's grandma wasn't even the one who gave it to her in the show.
A Human Becoming
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I will not be happy unless it's clear who that doll in front of dwarf Renly was. My guess is still Loras, but you'd think the real Loras would have left sooner.
I don't remember any physical contact between them in the books or any overtures at all. She was definitely affectionate towards him (giving him cats and such) and it seems he's fond of her, but I never got that vibe. Was I missing something?
There's probably more to the whole "it'll be less weird in a couple of years when a child actor would have grown up faster than the character"
Or my theory that Marge is going to sex him into compliance
I wouldn't put it past Joff, but I'd think that Tywin would have shut it right down if that had been the case, considering the position he's in and who is marrying Cersei.
IAmRandom31
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Probably because he was a little shit that got what was coming to him. Thought it was played perfectly.
I don't think I've ever grinned at watching someone die. But the directors really made you hate him all over again right before giving him the axe ... or the pie .... or the wine ... .... ....
Then of course you have so many possibilities as to who did it. Tyrion hated his guts. Sansa more then hated his guts. Oberyn is in town who hates all lannisters. Tywin probably realizes how fucking bad of a king he truly is and is the hand ( isn't the hand basically the Vice President as long as the next in line is not of age? .. something like that ) of the king. The Spider always talks about how is fights for the realm. He can't see Joffrey as someone who is good for the realm to have as their leader. Same with Olenna and and the new queen. Doubt either of them like him at all and would want him out of the picture now that they are so high up the ladder.
List goes on and on. I for one, think Arya did it.
Also, now you have Theon in the picture again. And holy hell, he has been " trained " to be a pet with a new name who will do nothing to his master. Holy shit at that. May as well put a silver bracelet on his neck and call him Da'covale! Thats right, i fucking put in a Wheel of Time reference in a GoT thread! Hooya
I did want to see more Arya / The Hound this episode of course, but I guess this was basically Episode 1 act 2. Introducing the rest of the main cast.
Edit : SHIT IM IN THE WRONG THREAD!
Morrigan Stark
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#NOONEUNDERSTAAAAANDS
Like others said, the actor playing Ilyn Payne is dying so... eh, not much other choice there. It works.
*Rains
"I sure hope the bards will play the Rains of Castamere again. I forgot how it went!" xD
I really wouldn't call that Littlefinger brothel scene "tame" by any means... and it certainly was gratuitous. The show is worse than the books for that by far.
Agreed. And that Loras zinger to Jaime, "neither will you", BOOYAH! I suddenly like Loras a lot more now hahaha.
Also, can we talk about Bran's visions. Shit man, they spoil the books I'm sure. A dragon flying over King's Landing, and he saw the same empty desolate roofless throne room Dany saw in the House of the Undying. That shit is meaningful and full of foreshadowing for sure. They showed the Winterfell crypt too, and Ned. Old footage but they showed these for a reason.
LOL. Goddamn I'm hungry now.
I agree. My first thought was "book reader". Loras isn't in the Kingsguard in the show, is he? So why would this guy say that? And why would this guy agree? Are they all stealth book readers, or perhaps a book reader let that slip this info to them at some point and they're just remembering it? :\ I want to be in good faith but this one is very suspicious.
Yussssssss!
....What? >_>
Higgins113
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Can I just say that the Shae/Tyrion scene was terrible
I think I might make a list of these people. :lol
IAmRandom31
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the fucking thread has HBO in the title. WHY?!?! lol
The Silver
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=108090444&postcount=2486
Damn he put the whole thing together, even got Littlefinger in there.
Damn he put the whole thing together, even got Littlefinger in there.
It's got *UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* at the start while the other one starts with Game of Thrones, they have no excuse. Last year it was kind of understandable because they both started with Game of Thrones.
Basileus777
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There's nothing more that can be done, this thread already goes far beyond what should be reasonably be expected to shield people from spoilers.
A Human Becoming
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Remember how Robert made Jaime sit outside the door while he fucked other women? I don't think Joffrey would worry much about offending the Tyrells once he's married into the family. Tywin looked very pleased as Renly was mocked.
Favorite part of the episode was looking at the faces of guests during the War of the Five King re-enactment. Varys was particularly interesting, as he had no reason to be offended.
Dusk Soldier
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You mean other than the suspicious necklace scene from episode 1, and the sudden reintroduction of a minor character that has been missing for almost 2 seasons?
People are naturally going to speculate who did it, and it's not like the Queen of Thorns was the only person brought up in that thread.
darkazcura
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Nah, I think it was easy to piece together. There was a huge focus on Olenna during the scene where Joffrey grabs the cup. They hint heavily at her being involved. Plus before the wedding reception began, you hear her sympathize with Sansa over Rob dying at wedding while Olenna was playing with her necklace/hair. They were pretty heavy-handed about it in the show..it doesn't surprise me that she is one of the main theories this early on.
EDIT: BTW, my first post in this thread..I've read through the first three books (read them after season 3) and was too scared to even come in here because of the "unmarked spoilers" warning. I didn't want anything from book 4 or 5 ruined, but I don't really have a place for discussion anymore it seems. I remember there was a marked spoiler thread last season...
Basileus777
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Yep. The witch hunting is a bit excessive. Game of Thrones isn't exactly subtle, and the show viewers don't have that much less information than book readers did at the end of ASOS where all of the theories currently circulating originated. The only missing piece for them is the Littlefinger angle, and they aren't focusing on Littlefinger much at all.
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