Ganzlinger
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I'm surprised about how they are handling this "gay crisis" with Loras. I mean, bringing to the show religious hating against LGBT people as a theme.
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Putting up with the Sands Snakes shit was worth it just for your gif. Great job!
bengraven
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I don't actually care if Stannis dies, I'm not a Mannis guy though I enjoy the character, but I just don't want the Boltons to kill him.
Maybe they'll kill each other. Then suddenly there's this power vacuum in the North and that's the focus of King's Landing for the next two years: getting the North back or leaving it be as the Walkers descend.
I'm predicting the walkers arrive Season 6 ending.
toastyToast
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Why didn't Loras just say, of course he's seen my ass, he was my squire? Once they brought up the squire thing I thought that was a wrap and Loras was getting out but instead he flips like a complete idiot. That was some flimsy ass shit.
I get speeding things along and concessions and whatnot but some of this stuff is just bad. Following the book in this instance probably would have been fairly simple.
I get speeding things along and concessions and whatnot but some of this stuff is just bad. Following the book in this instance probably would have been fairly simple.
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un33dab@dpu$$y
Nope, Bronn is a goner. I still hold out some hope that Stannis can beat the Boltons, if we get to that this season.
Yeah, this is just going to get worse too as they race to the end to wrap this up in seven seasons.
bengraven
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We'll get to it. That's basically Stannis's arc that started since episode 1.
I still stand by my thought that Bronn's had so many STDs that his blood can stop a bit of poison.
Am I wrong? I think some people feel so low about the show right now (whether it was earned or not is not the point) that they could throw another Red Wedding caliber plot at the end of the season, written by GRRM himself, and the reactions would be bad. Hell, it could be that Sansa marries Harry and has the exact same thing happen to hear in TWOW and that turns out to be a big moment for the character.
As duckroll is putting it, if you don't trust the creators of the show on things that aren't straight from the books then it's just not going to have the intended impact on you no matter how well it's executed.
I certainly hope a lot of plot threads go differently from what I expect. There are a lot of things I really love about this season. Everything with Arya has been handled really well. Alexander Siddig is great as Doran even though he hasn't had a chance to do anything yet. I'm actually pretty exciting as to how they resolve the Stannis and Jon storylines which are diverging from the books.
But stuff like the Sand Snakes, the rushed nature of the Winterfell stuff, and dragging out "Hurr Hurr Loras is Gay He fucked every man!!" are major dampers this week.
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un33dab@dpu$$y
If they wrote that in, I'd take back a lot of the negative things I've said about them over the years.
Sectorseven
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Is season 7 confirmed to be the last? I thought they were hinting at upwards of 10.
That's a hilarious interpretation. It is now canon.
Talking about the books here, I don't think anyone believes the Walkers are descending until they reach KL. Cersei for one is stupid enough to ignore that threat. Now I wonder if Varys' plans had anything to do with them.
Better yet: "Soy Estrellaoscura, y soy de la noche"
Red Arremer
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The problem I have with the depiction of homosexuality in the show is that GRRM never really expanded how the society of Westeros handles it. Obviously it wasn't a very common thing, and gay lords still married and had children, but it's also not like Loras and Renly were the only homo- or bisexual nobles in Westeros. One of the Corbrays is gay, Laenor Velaryon is gay, Jon Connington is gay. It just never seemed to be a big topic in the books, and I'm grateful that, although it comes up rarely, it's not portrayed as an issue within the world of GRRM. It's just something that happens, and nobody makes a big deal out of it. Which is how it should be. The gay characters in ASoIaF just happen to be gay, but they're still characters in their own right. Their sexuality is not what makes them stand out, or what makes them "interesting", or what drives them. They're not solely reduced to being "the gay dude". And there never was any mention that the Faith of the Seven condemns homosexuality either.
And then there's the show, which uses the classic "Christian" approach in which homosexuality is considered sinful by the Faith and whatnot. Loras is portrayed as "the gay dude", and he's completely reduced to being the gay dude on the show. He's got his gay boy toy, and he flirts with other men, quite openly even (e.g. with Oberyn during Joffrey's wedding). The fact he's one of the most noble and comely fighters, one of the most skilled warriors within the Seven Kingdoms isn't even mentioned. The same goes for Renly, too. In the books, Renly is supposed to be like Robert in his youth - a skilled warrior, a strong leader with good intentions, who just happened to prefer men. In the show, Renly was reduced to being the gay king, the one who is "very clean and charming", etc.
And then there's the show, which uses the classic "Christian" approach in which homosexuality is considered sinful by the Faith and whatnot. Loras is portrayed as "the gay dude", and he's completely reduced to being the gay dude on the show. He's got his gay boy toy, and he flirts with other men, quite openly even (e.g. with Oberyn during Joffrey's wedding). The fact he's one of the most noble and comely fighters, one of the most skilled warriors within the Seven Kingdoms isn't even mentioned. The same goes for Renly, too. In the books, Renly is supposed to be like Robert in his youth - a skilled warrior, a strong leader with good intentions, who just happened to prefer men. In the show, Renly was reduced to being the gay king, the one who is "very clean and charming", etc.
They said they're aiming for 7 seasons but that it's ultimately up to HBO.
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un33dab@dpu$$y
George wanted 10, and HBO probably wants more, but Dan and Dave seem set on ending it at 7.
bengraven
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When I get the Blu Rays I predict this episode is going to be a tough one to rewatch. I'm going to want to watch half of it, because I truly loved half of it. But I truly hated the other half. And even some parts that I hated featured some things I liked - Areo and Doran for example. "If you were whole...". I hated how they potrayed Loras' sexuality, but I liked the sudden drama of "...and Queen Margaery" and Cersei's face when she realizes she's killing two birds with one stone.
Or we get to remember this line forever:
Well to be fair, that might not be all that far off! Are the Faceless Men good or evil? Probably neither, but they are a bunch of killers who have destabilized kingdoms before. Are they a cult? For sure. There's also clearly a level of indoctrination going on with their ways. In the end this is what Arya wants and it is part of her journey, but I don't think that's an unusual way of seeing it.
Ganzlinger
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lol
bengraven
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And she's going through the opposite of brainwashing. To be one of them, which she wants to be, she has to wash parts of her away. She never will - Needle proves that.
That's one of the things I love about the Faceless Men from the books and as well the show I suppose. Is it evil? It does assassinate, but it's legal in the eyes of their god (reminds me of the legal writs of assassination in Morrowind). And of course there's the voluntary suicides which are there to relieve pain or suffering. I love that...pun mostly unintended...black and white nature of them.
That's one of the things I love about the Faceless Men from the books and as well the show I suppose. Is it evil? It does assassinate, but it's legal in the eyes of their god (reminds me of the legal writs of assassination in Morrowind). And of course there's the voluntary suicides which are there to relieve pain or suffering. I love that...pun mostly unintended...black and white nature of them.
So it's ok because Harry the Heir could be a sadistic rapist!
People are low on the show because the drastic changes they've made have been done using piss poor writing. I don't like the change to Sansa's arc. But there are numerous ways they could have utilized her this season. There are numerous ways they could have even used this storyline, but actually execute it well.
If the writing was exceptional, this would not be getting the blowback that it's receiving now.
Cpt.Underpants
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Red Arremer
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Isn't that exactly what the Faceless Men are, though?
I mean, it's arguable that they're evil, but they are indoctrinating Arya, and they are a cult of assassins. It's not too far off to consider them being evil for that fact alone.
Haha.
I always saw the Faceless Men as hypocrites: they all talk about death and its nature yada yada but they kill for a price. They are just mercenaries and assassins who think too highly of themselves.
Orbis Tabula
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One good thing about this season is that it's made me want to give the books a good second reading. I think because I sort of miss the plots and characters that the show has altered or ignored.
Good News everyone, Bronn may still be alive.
Turns out the transcript for all the audition tapes have been online for a while now, the audition for Tyene is a scene between her and Bronn. In the scene it appears they have been sleeping together and Tyene gives him the antidote after admitting to her that she's the most beautiful girl in the world.
Steelyuhas
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l o l
Ganzlinger
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I didn't know Jon Connington is gay. And to be honest, in the books I'd never have guessed that Renly was gay. lol
bengraven
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Fantastic. lol
I just edited and added:
And she's going through the opposite of brainwashing. To be one of them, which she wants to be, she has to wash parts of her away. She never will - Needle proves that.
Edit: they're indoctrinating her, but it's all voluntary. She sought them out. She wants their magic and she's going to do her best to get it with minimal amounts of losing herself.
I wonder if her arc in Braavos ends with her killing the Kindly Man/Tv's Jaquen with Needle and being like "thanks for the magic, but I'm retiring to finish my bucket list".
And then she puts on sunglasses and the Who plays...
Askherserenity
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It's really upsetting :/ He's such a cool character.
If that's true then,
Bronn's cock is truly the most powerful weapon in all of Westeros. All hail his cock!
Anton Sugar
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lololol
RIP Brotherhood without Banners. Such a cool little undercurrent to the story/world in the books, completely ignored other than the initial scene.
Doesn't matter what D&D want tbh.
m_shortpants
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I dunno, I'm gonna have to check with my cock merchant to be sure.
bengraven
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I think that's really the nature of a lot of churches. They do some good and are all about their faith in their god, but they also are run by human beings with human needs.
Farnsworth gif.
And please be true.
audition tapes sometimes lie
My theory is correct, then!
the antidote was his penis all along!
The way this show is trending, stopping at 7 will be a sweet relief. Don't drag it through the mud any longer
Here's the transcript link: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/88807750.html
It should also be noted that according to the comments on Reddit the transcripts are legit as all the leaked scripts have been true, it's also how everyone learned that Jaimie was going to Dorne before hand.
It should also be noted that according to the comments on Reddit the transcripts are legit as all the leaked scripts have been true, it's also how everyone learned that Jaimie was going to Dorne before hand.
Red Arremer
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It's not mentioned in the books. GRRM said that one of the PoVs in ADWD is gay, and it's pretty certain that is in reference to Griff.
bengraven
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"The only Soonspear y'll be lookin at is right here lasses..."
It would be ridiculous to lose a great character in a stupid storyline
Executioner's block? They're not gonna chop his head off, they're gonna stick something large and painful up his ass as a warning to other gay people.
HAHA - I'd pay to see this!
And here we have the King's Landing head spike exhibit. You can see Ned, Catelyn, and Robb Stark, Septa Mordane, and they just built this lovely ass spike for Loras.
BobTheFork
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I guess I'm ok if he dies since there isn't much for him to do but I'd rather he just find a nice place to settle down and end his story.
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