badcrumble
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Same night as the Mad Men series finale. Nothing competes with that.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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Same night as the Mad Men series finale. Nothing competes with that.
Moff
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who is still in winterfell in the books?
and it's just a battle, the can make it work completely differently, like blackwater. I don't see why that should be a big deal.
Mad Men finale didn't even have more viewers than the premiere of that season. I'd wager GOT still had around double the live broadcast viewers, and probably considerably more when you include all the other avenues people have to watch HBO now.
badcrumble
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I remain pretty disappointed that they don't seem to be doing an entire Winterfell-centric episode the way they did for Blackwater or the battle at the Wall. The Wall episode kinda sucked, but Winterfell's got tons of characters converging on it (like with the Blackwater episode) and I think they'd be able to do a lot more quiet dialogue work taking place inside of the walls as well as addressing the battle out in the blizzard.
And I'm way more interested in Winterfell than in the Hardhome stuff, which is probably just being treated as a big deal because they need this season's "hey don't forget about the White Walkers and all of the bad shit beyond the wall" scene.
Moff
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well a battle in winterfell would have been what we have seen several times by now, a battle between walls. if the rumours about hardhome are true it will be spectacular and definitely not possible in winterfell. but we probably won't see the stannis/bolton battle anyway if they try to keep the outcome a secret like in the books.
badcrumble
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Sorry, what I meant to describe was the snowed-in Winterfell scenes while the frozen lake battle stuff happens a few miles away. A battle actually taking place within the walls of Winterfell would kinda suck.
And to be honest, I can't see them trying to keep the outcome a big secret because the false/hidden identity stuff and the death fakeouts are strictly the result of the books' POV-based narrative, and the show has eschewed nearly all of that up until now. The battle might not happen at all until next season, but if it doesn't happen, we won't see other storylines clearly moving past it in the timeline this season either.
Different timeslot, and GoT curbstomped MM in ratings either way.
I wasn't serious about the show getting cancelled, either.
Ignatz Mouse
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Different timeslot, and GoT curbstomped MM in ratings either way.
I wasn't serious about the show getting cancelled, either.
I watched both, and it did GoT no favors in comparison.
badcrumble
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Different timeslot, and GoT curbstomped MM in ratings either way.
I wasn't serious about the show getting cancelled, either.
I know - GoT is pretty clearly still a ratings monster.
Ganzlinger
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Wow.
I'm more surprised to see how high they rate the first episodes.
hendersonhank
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When you walk into a room presumably for the sole purpose of consummating the marriage you deliberately sought out, and then don't make any protest whatsoever or give any resistance whatsoever to the sex act that follows, it is completely absurd to call what happens rape.
Again: She came to Winterfell for the sole purpose of marrying Ramsay (Littlefinger convinced her it would lead her to power/revenge/controlling her own future). There is no marriage without the consummation. If consummating the marriage would make her leave -- and obviously she would never *want* to fuck him -- then why would she have bothered marrying him in the first place?
Byakuya769
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John Snow, bro.
hendersonhank
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lol...so all sex must begin with the woman saying "I would like us to have sex now" or it's rape?
Atraveller
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I always knew it was deep meta-commentary of something, D&D are fucking masters!
It wasn't a trial, it was an inquest. How much "proof" was submitted during the Spanish Inquisition?
Regardless of what she knew going into that room, she was cruelly sexually assaulted/violated/humiliated. That is rape.
Atraveller
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Seriously we need a mod decree that this is rape, debating this is a waste of time.
Wow.
Dang. Reviewers must really not like the Sand Snakes.
Ah, good old season 3, when people were upset that Sansa wasn't raped like she was in the books.
youbastards
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Did this get recorded from a GameBoy Advance?
Completely disagree. I think it's been rather poor, and explained a few of the reasons why earlier. The RT score and reviews of the episode are in-line with what I would have expected.
badcrumble
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Yeah, I honestly think that the Game of Faces stuff was brilliant and a lot better as storytelling than the blind combat training stuff from the books (and a pretty necessary choice since they've pretty clearly decided that Bran's the only warg on the show and haven't done anything to set up the other Stark children as wargs). It did a great job of illustrating how the Faceless Men are at once quite sinister and also all about offering a truly compassionate and respectful death. I think that, for all of the flaws with the Dorne and Winterfell stuff this season, from the production design to the writing they've really been knocking the House of Black and White material out of the park.
Rentahamster
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I'm not sure how sweeping generalizations of character arc ruination for Sansa's future can me made so definitively when that was the last scene of the episode. Do we really think that there's no possible direction from here on out? It's all part of the plan. It should become clearer by the end of the season. I'm not sure that would make people who hated the scene for plot reasons come around, though.
Building a character up and then cutting them back down again is a fairly recurring theme in this book/show. Usually, however, the cutting down part is represented by death. Not much character development for most characters to go from there. Only Cat.
Building a character up and then cutting them back down again is a fairly recurring theme in this book/show. Usually, however, the cutting down part is represented by death. Not much character development for most characters to go from there. Only Cat.
badcrumble
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I think the issue is really that Sansa's entire story up until this season has consisted entirely of cutting her down. Was there any real benefit to one more scene of Ramsay being sadistic or one more scene of Sansa being victimized?
hipsterpants
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Hardhome is so Jon can be all heroic so the betrayal and death will be more shocking.
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Electric_ Cthulhu
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The amount of hate the recent episode gets is just ridiculous. Typical internet bandwagon mentality.
Sure, the Sand Snakes stuff was bad and that final scene controversial (I won't repeat my opinion here), but that episode sure isn't 40% weaker than those preceding it. But who gives a fuck about Rotten Tomatoes anyway?
Sure, the Sand Snakes stuff was bad and that final scene controversial (I won't repeat my opinion here), but that episode sure isn't 40% weaker than those preceding it. But who gives a fuck about Rotten Tomatoes anyway?
It's more indicative of showing the usual critic's reactions to the events than actually going 'yeah. You should totally count on RT for episode reviews.'.
Ganzlinger
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It's not just the rape scene though, many elements with the episode were lacklustre.
- The Sand Snakes in general
- The way Jaime and Bronn just stroll their way to the princess with little to no effort
- The entire fight between the Sand Snakes and Jaime/Bronn, and what followed
- The way Ellaria Sand is just waiting and surprised to be caught in that exact same spot as her last scene
- The dragged out Ayra storyline
- The inquisition and the way it was handled
- The speed at which the fanatics have taken ultimate power
- The King's army or numerous guards apparently no longer existing
- Tommen's complete ineptitude and lack of care for Margaery
- The rape scene and it's implications (damsel in distress part 23, even though we built her up to be more)
- And so on.
The so called Tyrion "white washing". They wanted him to grope Sansa.
hendersonhank
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Pain and humiliation don't mean it's rape, sorry. There is one thing and one thing only that makes a rape, and that's lack of consent.
So which of Sansa's humiliation/loss/abuse incidents should they have drawn the line at, past which point it's "bad writing"?
I thought they were terrible and utterly forgettable when I read the book. I couldn't for the life of me tell you what they did or what the point of them was.
Atraveller
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And Doran too, who barely gets any screentime this season.
Tools for vengeance.
You have a very warped idea of what constitutes rape. If you had a reputation for being a murderous maniac, pulled a knife on a women and then told her to undress so you could fuck her, and she did reluctantly, whilst visibly in fear and distress, it's not rape because she never specifically said no? Smh...
Damerman
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totally agreed. I'm just praying that they kill all of them off soon and introduce an Arianne Martell who does a way better accent then that one girl with the spear (shudder)
EDIT: the Actor for Doran is good, but all of his scenes so far seem inconsequential, so it's more on the writers than the actor, director and set designers.
Moff
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I wouldn't go so far that they were worse than in the show, but I doubt anyone cared if they didn't appear, they were extremely boring and uninteresting. and honestly, at least as far as we have seen, I don't think D&D "fucked them up", what made them so bad so far was bad acting and terrible fight choreography.
Atraveller
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Reading the separate rape thread made me think if those "for rape" people would change their mind if they've read the books.
Man, D&D! We have a calm, calculating mastermind, but all they focused on are medieval comic heroes that suck at fighting.
Damerman
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lol wow. you are being unbearably obtuse.
Damerman
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this is spot on. i really liked the first 5 episodes, and i forgave them for
killing barristan
There is such a thing as a non verbal lack of consent, and generally it tends to occur under threat or fear of assault, violence, murder, torture and the like.
Damerman
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I'm reading this review and its absolutely right. What the hell happened between Kill the Boy and Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken? what the hell?
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