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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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I think you missed out on. The last part of that video shows a pork sausage being stabbed, same kind Ramsay was eating with the same tool.
WrenchNinja
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Changed all of her plans? What plans? The only plan we know of is wait here till Stannis shows up. Cogman doesn't make any sense just like this plotline.
I think you're conflating Lothar's commentary and Cogman's words.
Interceptor
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Nah, Sansa will go full Jeyne Pool. She already had bruises, the dogs are next. Brienne will obviously try to save her, taking over the role of the escape plan from the ghosts of winterfell. And it will fail too. Brienne gets killed, propably has her face eaten by real dogs this time and Stannis horns can be heard all over the place. Theon grabs Sansa and jumps over the wall. Cut to the Arena.
Meanwhile Stannis is burning asha he got through some plot device. Maybe dropped off by LF via raven..
That and to make Ramsay hers like Littlefinger said. Littlefinger told her Ramsay had fallen for her, hah.
adamsappel
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I never got the impression the Jeyne ever actually fucked the dogs. I always felt her dialog was saying, "Fine, I'll fuck the dogs, stop hurting me." But I don't want to watch a show where that's a thing they do to Sansa, or even have it suggested. But leave it to D&D to use an iconic line from the books unchanged this one time.
Steelyuhas
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Content Roundup: The Gift
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88% bad? Dang! TV show review scores make video game review scores actually look biting in comparison!
GoT usually gets amazing reviews, even this season like 95%-99%.
biosnake20
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When Tommen was yelling about being king he sounded almost exactly like Joffrey. Eerie stuff.
That was intentional I think. Joffrey says "I am the king. I will punish you." to Tyrion, and Tywin follows by explaining that any man who must say I am the king is no true king.
Tommen says he's the king, but has the wisdom to realize that he's not fit for what this job entails. It was actually a really good scene from him because he's actually learning more about who he is.
I'd say Tommen get killed in season 6, episode 1.
Atraveller
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Victarian and Euron got merged.
cj_iwakura
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Atraveller
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Finally saw Tyene's scene in full glory on youtube, I hate censorship.
WaffleTaco
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Eh, Rotten Tomatoes is pretty shit for television I have to say.
Well, 3 people at least. It just got 3 rotten reviews.
I don't know, even show only viewers I've spoken to have said this is the worst season of the show. Not surprising to see ratings and viewership down.Many absolutely loathe the Dorne storyline and what they did to Sansa has been inexcusable. People don't want to watch a fan favorite be a punching bag again. It especially pisses them off hearing that it doesn't happen in the books. Can't wait to see the reactions if the season ends with Jon being stabbed.
Season 3 is still the worst for me.
I think a lot of the backlash we're seeing is inevitable because we're dealing with less popular characters. Ramsay isn't as compelling as Joffrey. No man (aside from Tyrion maybe) on this show is as fun to watch as Tywin.
I think book readers are projecting.
If D&D invented Lady Stoneheart and put her in the show, people would be calling it the dumbest storyline in the show's history.
The scenes this season have been with the exception of the Dornish stuff well shot, well acted, and dialogue-wise they've even been well written. People are just mad because Sansa's current predicament wasn't necessary, and I get that, but if it leads up to a good season 5 finale I'm willing to forgive it. If it doesn't, well then I'll agree with the naysayers.
I think a lot of the backlash we're seeing is inevitable because we're dealing with less popular characters. Ramsay isn't as compelling as Joffrey. No man (aside from Tyrion maybe) on this show is as fun to watch as Tywin.
I think book readers are projecting.
If D&D invented Lady Stoneheart and put her in the show, people would be calling it the dumbest storyline in the show's history.
The scenes this season have been with the exception of the Dornish stuff well shot, well acted, and dialogue-wise they've even been well written. People are just mad because Sansa's current predicament wasn't necessary, and I get that, but if it leads up to a good season 5 finale I'm willing to forgive it. If it doesn't, well then I'll agree with the naysayers.
I believe George R.R. Martin was trying to say that putting religion in charge of a government is dangerous. In medieval times, people were tortured and executed for speaking out against the church or for suspicion of heresy. If a church was given more power than the king himself, they would punish all sinners and do so while believing their cause was just.
They've set up a pretty implausible set of circumstances, but the faith militant does take over King's Landing in the books.
I read the books. I get the plot. I just wondered why, on a practical level, the king didn't just order them disbanded. It's explained to us that they existed in the past until a king outlawed them. Why not do that again?
Tommen is an ineffectual king who believes that the people must love him, else he will be seen as a terrible king like his brother was. They yell "bastard" in the streets when he passes and he takes this to heart.
He believes that his mother has put good, god-fearing and law-abiding people in charge of King's Landing. He is a young man who is not aware of why such a thing would be ill-advised.
Cersei has an insular view of every situation and cannot counsel anyone on the bigger picture. She just destroys what's in front of her.
The only way to stop the faith is to kill its members, and Tommen is unwilling to do that, so they remain in power. To simply take their power would not suffice. They would take up arms, and more than likely the common people would rise up against Tommen.
Brienne's story in the show pisses me off.
So, she's pretty much just sitting in a room, staring at a broken tower, and waiting for a candle to be lit? The fuck she thinks is going on with Sansa? Does she actually believe Sansa is enjoying her honeymoon to Ramsay? And what happens when a candle is lit? Do her and Pod just single-handedly take all of Winterfell's new residents on?If there is a plan in place to save Sansa once a candle is lit, why not just do it now? It's not like the North is getting any warmer...
So, she's pretty much just sitting in a room, staring at a broken tower, and waiting for a candle to be lit? The fuck she thinks is going on with Sansa? Does she actually believe Sansa is enjoying her honeymoon to Ramsay? And what happens when a candle is lit? Do her and Pod just single-handedly take all of Winterfell's new residents on?If there is a plan in place to save Sansa once a candle is lit, why not just do it now? It's not like the North is getting any warmer...
That's nothing compared to Shireen getting burned alive. That's the one thing that my mom said would make her stop watching forever.
Sansa is apparently locked in her room and raped every night but that old hag can't take a clue? Light the candle yourself why don't you? Isnt she her maid?
Yeah, not sure what Brienne is planning. She could, uh have Pod or herself actually infiltrate Winterfell ahead of time and plan instead of sitting around.
Lol, again, thank you? for the background. I really just wanted to know if there was some clause that stopped the king from issuing a decree disbanding the Faith Militant that I was missing. I understand the plot of the show and the books. Here, we have a young man who is watching his family, including his hot wife, be taken by these people and he seems to have no clue how to get rid of them. If the former king (whoever that was) disbanded them simply with an order, and Cercei brought them back with a simple order, why can't Tommen, legally, get rid of them with a pen stroke? Or, was there more than just an order of the king that disbanded them in the past?
from the wiki:
He can't just arm them and then tell them to disband peacefully. In the books the crown owes the Faith an enormous debt which they agree to waive and also crown Tommen in return for the right to have their own military. Which I imagine was more like the Templars not the beggar knife wielders of the show.
That's the problem. Either you stop it at the start, cut the head off the snake and the body dies, otherwise it grows beyond your control. The faith militant couldn't be stopped now if they wanted.
The High Sparrow said it perfectly, You are the few. We are the many, and when the many stop fearing the few
The people of Kings Landing have been ravaged by war, another mad king (Joffrey), things are now going back to normal. While sure there will be those upset at the loss of brothels, I'm sure they don't care too much a bunch of corrupt royals are getting their just desserts. They'll question why Tommen wants a royal decree to ban people considered devotees. The book faith are much more medieval Catholic or protestant reformation time, the show ones are basically the start of the Taliban right now. In the book, the crown owes a debt to the faith, whereas in the show, it's not even hinted at.
The High Sparrow said it perfectly, You are the few. We are the many, and when the many stop fearing the few
The people of Kings Landing have been ravaged by war, another mad king (Joffrey), things are now going back to normal. While sure there will be those upset at the loss of brothels, I'm sure they don't care too much a bunch of corrupt royals are getting their just desserts. They'll question why Tommen wants a royal decree to ban people considered devotees. The book faith are much more medieval Catholic or protestant reformation time, the show ones are basically the start of the Taliban right now. In the book, the crown owes a debt to the faith, whereas in the show, it's not even hinted at.
Atraveller
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I doubt the show would focus on that, it didn't even have time for Faith militant's proper set up.
Thank you.
To be fair, the Tyrells have worked really hard to keep up a good image in King's Landing. I doubt they'd want to get rid of it by withholding food, and you can be sure the High Sparrow would let everyone know who's the cause.
Can they be blamed when they are imprisoning the people's beloved Magaery and Loras? The food came with Margaery, what do they expect.
Definitely. Hardly matters anyway.
peanutbutterlatte
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It's pretty cool when two characters who've never met do (Tyrion & Dany). Are we roughly up to where they are in the books with them now? Not that it in any way matters of course. I fully expect Season Six to be its own thing.
The problem with fanatics is that they don't care about such threats, they are ready to die martyrs.
Red Arremer
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We're pretty much on equal footing with the books now. Only Jon, Sam and Theon have a teensy bit of material left, and of course the whole Ironborn arc which looks to be entirely gone anyway.
Little moment I liked: Sansa finding out Jon is Lord Commander.
IIRC isn't Sansa her mothers daughter in looking down on Jon (the rest all loved him), her other siblings are all dead in her mind, Jon is the only family she has left that she knows of.
The fact he has risen so far even in the Nights Watch (a penal colony) must have stumped her, on top of the fact she doesn't even know her uncle Benjen is missing I assume?
IIRC isn't Sansa her mothers daughter in looking down on Jon (the rest all loved him), her other siblings are all dead in her mind, Jon is the only family she has left that she knows of.
The fact he has risen so far even in the Nights Watch (a penal colony) must have stumped her, on top of the fact she doesn't even know her uncle Benjen is missing I assume?
WrenchNinja
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Thats pretty. He remembered Sansa telling him once that he should say that whenever a lady told him her name. He could not help the girl, but perhaps the courtesy would please her.
Sansa was kind of a dick, calling Jon a bastard, saying he was jealous of Joffrey. She even wondered if Arya wasn't found somewhere and not really her sister. She doesn't really seem to be close to any of her siblings, though we only see her interact with Arya.
Basically she was a dumb girl who chose her 'friends' over her family and payed for it.
Basically she was a dumb girl who chose her 'friends' over her family and payed for it.
So basically a teen/pre-teen?
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