Future PhaZe
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I'm actually starting to like the way the show is handling things. The political stuff was just too bloated in feast and adwd
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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A non-reader brought up an interesting point. If the Night's King is the one who personally raises the dead, I guess he's the only one that really needs to be killed to end this craziness.
Right, so probably won't be a season cliffhanger.
It definitely was too much for me in ADWD, but mostly because it came off as fucking idiotic and I was internally laughing at GRRM trying so hard with yet another surprise death.
Right, so probably won't be a season cliffhanger.
It definitely was too much for me in ADWD, but mostly because it came off as fucking idiotic and I was internally laughing at GRRM trying so hard with yet another surprise death.
Isn't book Jaqen in Oldtown looking for dragon knowledge?
I was hoping the show would have spoiled some of the Faceless man secrets by now but i find it very interesting they are dragging that storyline out. Its making me believe they know Arya will never become no one and are going to use her anyway.
I expected at least the origin story of the faceless men by now, especially after the episode they went through Valyria
Nothing explicitly confirmed, but I know you are trying to stay book pure. It was a fantastic episode, but you may want to consider steering clear.
AcademicSaucer
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Man, now Im hyped for nexts week scenes at Dorne ...
RatskyWatsky
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Didn't we already know that? I could have sworn I saw people talking about that like a year ago.
You mean the Valyrian steel thing?
bengraven
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Nothing we don't already know. Except maybe the NK's powers?
Atraveller
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Nope.
Yeah, I hated it so much in the book. It is such a transparent fake out.
Obliterator
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Wow, maybe he is perma dead.
Or possibly gets killed early episode 10 and revived at the end?
BobTheFork
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When they started talking about OldTown, I was convinced that Sam had to leave before Jon died. Running out of time, unless Sam escapes to OldTown, which I don't think would work.
Archaeopteryx
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It was rumoured that "dragonsteel" would work against them but it wasn't confirmed that it was Valyrian steel. They just speculated that they may be one and the same. Confirmed by tonight's events.
hipsterpants
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I for one am on #TeamJonStaysDead.
Until next season I mean.
Until next season I mean.
Atraveller
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It was heavily speculated to the point that it was a given, however the theory was never put to the test in the books.
Yeah, and the whole battle in general just sort of gave us another glimpse into the Others/wights dynamic.
-Pyromaniac-
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After the last scene today anyone who thinks Jon is perma dying is loco. He's the hero of the show along with dany. This cemented it.
Wasn't just the one fight scene.
The Northern plotline has been the best one all season, and tonight was a helluva culmination. Adding in the best actor to the most boring plotline will be a huge benefit. KL is about to get real with Kevan coming back and potential Cleganebowl.
I'm excited for this show again. Last two episodes are going to be sick.
bodyofanamerican
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Ugh. I want my goddamn Theon at the hearttree confession scene. I can't believe how bad they botched his arc.
He's obviously getting stabbed in episode 10 as a cliffhanger fake out, but he won't be dead.
Atraveller
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Jaime goes to Meeren and reunites with Tyrion, what?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Hm, that doesn't sound too major. I just assumed he had all sorts of crazy powers anyway. (I don't even remember if the Night King is even in the books. How do we know he's not just, like, a show original character?)
Good
Obliterator
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I hope so. I really do.
I want to see Jon and Dany fighting White Walkers. That should be the entire point of this whole damn thing
Jag
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Well he is one of the three. Right? Right??
That might just happen in roughly two years.
bengraven
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Something tells me that the flashbacks Bran are going to get will be along the lines of the house of Undying.
FreddieQuell
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Yeah, we did know about valyrian steel before. Quote from ADWD:
"I found one account of the Long Night that spoke of the last hero slaying Others with a blade of dragonsteel. Supposedly they could not stand against it."
"Dragonsteel?" The term was new to Jon. "Valyrian steel?"
"That was my first thought as well."
Or, John gets killed earlier, and the nevermentioned LS reveal happens. DEADNOTDEAD
hipsterpants
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If D&D thinks that they're writing her as a heroine they're bungling it quite badly. She's awful.
Also I change my allegiance to #TeamJonGetsStabbedButDoesn'tActuallyDie before it cuts to credits. That's the best ending, bar none. None of this revival nonsense crammed into 2 episodes.
Also I forgot about the line about Kevan. RIP, hopefully it is actually Varys and not fuking Littlefinger. That would be a lame change.
RatskyWatsky
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I see.
When I read the books I basically took that as gospel. I didn't know there was anyone who doubted the veracity of that account.
I think I'll risk it! Thanks!
Future PhaZe
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What if Jon becomes an other only to then become a targaryen with white hair after being consumed by Dragon fire
Next level shit
..lol
Next level shit
..lol
Obliterator
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Yes that would be the best way. Have him stabbed and fucked up, but live through it, OR have him "dead" early in the episode and use whatever method they need to, to raise him before the end.
Either way, imo we know Jon's fate by the end of episode 10 for the simple fact they can't hide Kit on set during filming.
They don't need to. The vast majority of viewers won't be following casting rumors or news from the set.
So I just rewatched the white walker encounter with Jon and the Thenn and that whole sequence was pretty much a Dark Souls boss battle: Enter door. Ominous sounds. Baddie walks in. Jolly Cooperation. Partner charges in and gets destroyed. You try to look for secrets. Get ass handed to you. Find way to cheese it. Doesn't matter still won.
Obliterator
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Yeah they do, if he is seen it will be all over everywhere. I mean everywhere, not just people that follow set stuff. It will be plastered all over the front page of basically every major website that follows TV and also on Facebook / Twitter
It was just an errant thought, I doubt that is how it would play out, but what are they going to do with Jamie? Is he going to become a version of some other book character? Will Doran talking to Jamie be how we learn about House Martell's real plans e.g. Dany?
I'm still pulling for Jamie to fall through some sort of portal through time and space and end up talking with House Bracken and House Blackwood.
hipsterpants
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It works perfectly because the immediate impact will be show-watchers thinking he is dead, but then when Kit appears on set not only will people be less surprised but it will drum up interest in next season as to seeing how he gets out of it. I do love the build up the show is giving it too. Even though it's going to be done by Olly (barf), blatantly showing Jon as the hero (of the entire story basically) and then "killing him" will be both shocking and within expectations give the type of show this is.
edit: Even though I just started watching GoT a few weeks ago and never paid attention to casting/set pictures and stuff, it would spread like wildfire. "You won't BELIEVE which dead Night's Watch Lord Commander we saw on set!"
Operations
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Why are we calling him Night King again? Shouldn't we refer to him as the Great Other?
Askherserenity
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Because that's what HBO calls him?
FreddieQuell
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Didn't David and Dan call him the Night King?
Operations
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Was that behind the scenes (i.e. Synopsis) or in the show?
Yeah, true, I can't really argue with you there.
It appeared quickly on HBO's website until they got an angry call from GRRM and removed it.
that last part is speculation
Askherserenity
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If I recall correctly, it was from sort of credit on HBOGo right? Don't remember.
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