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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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ChaosZeroX
Banned
I honestly think this gets pushed to next season. Probably around Ep 3 or 4 next season
All the walkers that aren't the NK look pretty much exactly the same. This one didn't have a beard like we've seen before, but take away the beard and the walker Jon kills at Hardhome, the one that leads the army of the dead over Sam, the one Sam kills, etc., all look pretty much identical.
Well, you say that, but then we also have the other 7 episodes this season to show you what happens when you rush work to fit a preordained schedule.
Anton Sugar
Member
Oooh, thanks for clarifying. Totally thought it was a "nope, you didn't kill me" moment, but didn't realize they all look the same (aside from the "royalty" of course).
Moff
Member
that's not the impression I got, and I am sure they would have shown that if they wanted that to be the case.
valyrian steel kills white walkers
m_shortpants
Member
Same. I was pretty bummed that the show was overtaking the books but I'm over that now. They're diverging completely anyway, so they're different entities. Enjoy the show for the show, and the books as the books (whenever they come out FFS). Last night's episode was really good too, and it wasn't even book material. Just a great specatale.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
Considering some of the material they had to work with I think they did fine.
There's a lot of good stuff from the books missing but dear god the amount of chaff in those two books is immense.
TheWarrior
Banned
They will most likely cut off supplies and stuff. I can't see them killing off the army in combat. The 20 men will do damage in other ways.
Yeah, I'm actually on the side of them mostly making solid overarching plot choices, but the general opinion seems to be that people aren't happy with the stuff.
I think the supplies are already cut off with the snows. It's unfortunate that they didn't sell just how desperate Stannis' army was with the one 'on the march' scene we got. Yeah, the Stormcrows left, but that's nothing compared to the cannibalism-inducing conditions in the books.
My money's on some Ramsay being the devious fucker he is and posing as soldiers to start the mutiny.
Atraveller
Banned
I want to see what Tyrion would do once Dany is gone. Becomes the new Selmy?
I love how both Jon and the White Walker are shocked that Long Claw stopped the Walker's blade.That Valyrian steel.
bodyofanamerican
Member
This is what I surmise as well. They have to end the season with Stannis in that Crofter's Village, with Theon, Sansa, and Brienne.
"We may as well take the iron throne while we're at it boys."
Operations
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Can't see that happening. Puting the ridiculousness aside, the show's being too obvious about Ramsay's motivations to prove himself before Roose to avoid being displaced by his future, legitimate half-brother. The whole Winterfell scene seemed to purporsely let the viewers know that this desire is blinding his better judgement.
I really hope they're setting up some kind of massive failure for him somewhere, because it's getting frustrating. In the books, yeah he's cruel and deranged and dangerous, but you always know that he has fundamental weaknesses. His anger blinds him; he's rash. You always feel like this is a guy who is one misstep away from being taken down. Show Ramsay feels omnipotent. He's always a step ahead of everyone.
Agreed. I think the overarching structure of this season is better than I ever could have imagined coming from those books. They just fucked it up wth shit writing in Dorne and Winterfell. Much better plots could have been done in those two locations with the same amount of time, and we'd have a miraculously good season.
Allforce
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It'll be Ramsay and his boys setting a trap on a frozen lake for Stannis and his army, drowning a majority of their force. A swerve on what the book has hinted at Stannis planning for The Bolton army.
She could have sent a letter to Myrcella.
It is quite literally a burning raid. That's all he's doing. They haven't got the budget or the time to build another huge battle/soldier sequence.
Sho_Nuff82
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As if Doran isn't reading all of her mail already though. He hates Cersei, and probably trusts her even less than Roose Bolton trusts Cersei/Littlefinger.
This is my feeling, too. We need to see him fixing things before he goes down. He needs to patch up relations with the Tyrells at the very least. I think he lives long enough to get to react to the Greyjoy attacks on the Reach and to maybe send Jaime to aid the Riverlands before dying. For Varys(filming info):
I think we'll see him in Dorne in episode 10, dropping by to discuss plans with co-conspirator Doran. The filming reports from Spain mentioned a character they weren't allowed to mention being present at Sunspear, and he's really the only one who fits. That loops Varys back into things and gets him to King's Landing within the first few episodes of season 6.
Speculation based on previews/interviews:
It's gonna take place at night, so they can easily allude to scale without fully showing Stannis' camp. They can use fire so it'll look cool. They just need the 20 guys to start fires and various intervals on the perimeter to get people panicking, then do a focused attack on one area and show minimal fighting. Stannis takes a couple guys out, but Ramsay and his men vanish into the night before Stannis can even properly respond. He'll burn some tents and ruin their supplies, and maybe Shireen gets hurt/killed in the commotion.
All relatively inexpensive, letting them save the budget for Daznak's Epic Coliseum of Drogon Fire.
Basileus777
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On the other hand we have examples from GRRM that demonstrate that spending longer to write a book doesn't mean it will be of a higher quality, in fact long delays usually mean there is something wrong with the writing process.
bodyofanamerican
Member
I'm on board with this in that I think it's what will happen, but won't be happy about it.
Serious injury vs. total destruction.
Basileus777
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With no Faegon it might make sense to stretch out the KL plot like this. Though I'm skeptical that they'll actually hold off on killing Kevan for that long. Even in the book all of the setup for his death occurs in the same chapter he dies in. You could easily have him talk to the Tyrells and then die in the same episode, or same scene even.
demosthenes
Member
On your notes:
This is how they rationalize sacraficing Shireen maybe? Maybe she's dying already and they use her.
CitizenVectron
Member
It would be a nice parallel to what happened to Jon this week - make a breakthrough with peace, and then immediately have a major setback following it. You could have a scene with Kevan and Lady Olenna working out a kind of truce, and then show him walking back into his quarters and have him be ambushed by Varys.
What if Brienne notices the 20 men leaving the castle and decides to follow them?
I didn't catch it until I watched the Inside the Episode, but Jon and Edd have the funniest Scooby-Doo-esque reaction to the wights getting up after jumping off the cliff
https://youtu.be/Zm25hUOG_oA?t=4m59s
"OH FUUUUUUCKKKK!!!!!!"
Also a good point.
https://youtu.be/Zm25hUOG_oA?t=4m59s
"OH FUUUUUUCKKKK!!!!!!"
Also a good point.
CitizenVectron
Member
Ooh, I like that. Definitely something I can see happening. With our luck it'll mean Stannis' death though, and the scattering of his army.
Maybe we'll get some more Hercules: The Legendary Journeys style combat like Jon and the Other had?
So GRRM just gave an interview where he talked about his sorta "Top 5 characters" that the show has cut but he would have liked to have seen in the show. And, in doing so he also basically reveals that certain cut characters will have a larger role in the coming books.
1. Strong Belwas
2. Jeyne Poole
3 and 4. Wilas and Garlan
5. Lady Stoneheart
On LSH and Wilas and Garlan:
1. Strong Belwas
2. Jeyne Poole
3 and 4. Wilas and Garlan
5. Lady Stoneheart
On LSH and Wilas and Garlan:
bodyofanamerican
Member
Hmmmm. I like this, but if you'd allow me to submit a different idea that plays on the same premise. Maybe she sneaks inside the gates before they close them up after Ramsay and his men leave?
cartoon_soldier
Member
I really do think a lot of show only viewers will be very upset with another Stark just dying. Hence I want to see resurrection or at least hint at it.
Otherwise 5 seasons of Starks just being fucked.
It's easier to do that in a book though. Kevan's internal monologue gets to tell us all the things he's done since Cersei's been imprisoned in a paragraph. The show has to show all of that, which will take a bit more time.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
Thats what I'm saying. Don't just end the season on him being stabbed. Show some kind of hint that he will or he does get resurrected.
demosthenes
Member
I really liked the thoery someone here had that Mel will attempt to resurrect Stannis in episode 10 as he gets hurt from Brienne or Ramsay or someone else and instead of resurrecting who she thinks is the Lord of Light it resurrects Jon Snow.
Would be an insane way to end.
Wow, that's huge.
That basically confirms that LSH is 100% cut from the show, instead of us just suspecting it and moving on with our lives.
Strong Belwas being his #1 is kind of weird. He's a fun character, but there's not a lot to him besides liver and onions.
And his Beric explanation really gives credence to Beric -> LSH -> Jon progression as far as people who get revived.
If they nail Drogon's Pit like they nailed Hardhome then they could kill all the Starks in episode 10 and people would still come back next year.
Sectorseven
Member
What are the "rules" regarding killing a walker? If you had a Valyrian sword could you just slice off a pinky and vaporize them?
Pyramid head
Banned
I wouldn't be surprised if every unsullied didn't completely expect Olly to kill Jon, and for Jon to be resurrected after that exchange between him and Sam. It couldn't have been spelled out any clearer.
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