Garlan is awesome, it's a pity they cut him.
What is NOT a pity is the Kettlebacks being cut. They may be important for Cersei's incarceration but fuck if I always got confused with their names ><
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Garlan is awesome, it's a pity they cut him.
What is NOT a pity is the Kettlebacks being cut. They may be important for Cersei's incarceration but fuck if I always got confused with their names ><
As if Cersei would care.
Knowing her, she expects Dorne to be taken over by that time
ChaosZeroX
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I saw that as well. I guess we have to wait and see if Ramsay really does kill Stannis.
cartoon_soldier
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A song of ice and fire
Does that mean that ice (Starks) and fire (Targs) will combine into a beautiful song, or fight or maybe both?
Does that mean that ice (Starks) and fire (Targs) will combine into a beautiful song, or fight or maybe both?
eot
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I don't want a hint at it, just for the meltdowns. Pretty sure they will drop one though.
Also, when Jon killed that Other all I could think was "Azor Ahai confirmed" and I've never liked Jon in that role as it's too obvious.
hipsterpants
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I think the most likely ending is Jon getting Olly'd but not actually dying before the credits roll (like he's lying on the ground bleeding out). Then in the pre-opening sequence of S6 the revival or whatever occurs. Would be an excellent way to start the next season.
If they're going to revive Jon in episode 10, they would have to off him somewhere around mid-episode. Given the blatant foreshadowing plus turning Jon into a bad-ass hero character last episode, I have a hard time believing the Ollying occurs at an time other than the end of the season to maximize the impact.
If they're going to revive Jon in episode 10, they would have to off him somewhere around mid-episode. Given the blatant foreshadowing plus turning Jon into a bad-ass hero character last episode, I have a hard time believing the Ollying occurs at an time other than the end of the season to maximize the impact.
I'd be totally ok with no Garlan if they had merged more Garlan personality into Loras, instead of making every scene about how gay he is.
CitizenVectron
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What if Jon's body get revived, but his mind is already in Ghost? What if Mel brings him back but his "soul" has warged? Could that set up a situation for dead Jon to be a sort of Night's King type guy?
schlongdog
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Olly better get his head sliced off soon
I think it's pretty much confirmed that he doesn't at this point. I mean, Stannis is in episode 10, and it looks like that shot of Selyse crying in the snow is from episode 10 as well, while Ramsay's attack is at night and happens next week.
biosnake20
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Jon will get stabbed and there will just be a long close up shot of his face zooming in(with no music, you just hear the wind blowing/chanting and people crying) until at the last second his eyes open white, cut to black.
Ape Gone Insane
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I highly doubt there will be some good vs evil final battle. Pretty sure grmm has brought that up a few times in interviews as something he dislikes.
Nah I think he only had to walk to the ships. That's where they were rolling towards. The boats are too small for the giant, but the ships are much larger. He should fit.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
That's why I laugh when I see people say shit like "Those storylines obviously don't go anywhere that's why they cut them"
Liquidsnake
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lol.
biosnake20
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So Sansa/Theon is probably going to tell Stannis about Bran and Rickon being alive and he will send Davos to get them.
Veritigo_X
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Totally thought he was going to freeze the water.
First thing I thought of was the "Well what is it?" gesture from Dark Souls. Same meaning really.
BobTheFork
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Fucking Night's King is an Undertaken mark.
Also, I just thought about it. Why the hell do they even wear armor if the only weapons with the ability to damage them at all just lead to instant explosion?
Also, I just thought about it. Why the hell do they even wear armor if the only weapons with the ability to damage them at all just lead to instant explosion?
Future PhaZe
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wonder wtf the freys are up too
A "big role" in the books doesn't mean much. Brienne had a big role in AFFC but her storyline was an easy cut.
graffix13
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This is what I want as well.
Which means it won't happen.
Honestly I think it's going to end with Jon getting stabbed and the seaon ends. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Jon is perma-dead just to piss people off, because that's how GoT do.
The guy who played Walder has implied pretty heavily that he's planning on being back for season 6, so I suspect we'll find out.
Not really. They don't take part in the conflicts of Westeros, historically speaking.
CitizenVectron
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Perhaps, but they also don't really take part in the game that much, they tend to stick to themselves and their lands.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Except even in that example, Septon Maribald looks like he's being cast for next season.
He says in that list that he doesn't put shit in willy nilly. People are in there and things happen for a reason, things get cut because there isn't enough time, not because the storylines are pointless.
biosnake20
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So who was that hooded man rowing jons boat at the end? I wonder why they were hiding who it was.
TheNamesPlissken
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Yep - GRRM basically explains the LSH cut whether he means to or not. He says some people may not think she's essential, but he thinks she is important because of the thematic implications. Basically, the effect death has on someone and how they are different afterwards.
In the show, I'm guessing they figured
1) they already discussed this with Beric, where he explicitly talks about it (theme covered)
2) they wanted to keep the surprise of a resurrection for Jon
3) they needed to condense plot lines. Keeping a main cast member alive who had been killed off and is in like 5 pages of the books, one who doesn't likely figure explicitly in the final end game (and even if she does, it may be feasible to transfer to another character) is a strain on budget/time/effort that may not have been worth it
On the other hand, GRRM does not mention ACTUAL important book characters left out like Manderly and Faegon and Victarion. So I think he gets it, he just enjoyed those five characters. I mean, Strong Belwas?
Liquidsnake
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Goosebumps.
BobTheFork
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Well In this case I wonder if she will physically touch him and try to 'revive Stannis' or start praying to 'revive the chosen one'
Somewhere, Jeff Jarrett's eyes open.
I see people commenting on this but I don't think he was anyone, just a random extra. In fact, if you pay close attention to the end scene you see his face.
Well, that's not exactly fair to say because we don't know what Brienne's role is at the end of everything. If he says a certain character has a large role to play in the next books that has to mean end game stuff.
Well, I put the numbers in but I don't think he was ranking them. What's odd to me is that he lists Jeyne Poole and while her thematic importance is certainly something I'm surprised he care that much about her. Like, the fact that fAegon isn't on his list must mean that he's either in the show (maybe Trystaegon?) or isn't terribly important.
On a different note, did anyone else love the look Jon has on his face at the end of that episode? He was just straight up legit shook after witnessing the dead get raised.
If Stannis never reaches Winterfell, he's not going to die in combat. Melisandre would have to resurrect Jon directly.
It's all just wild speculation until we get some more details. If OSN accidentally leaked the inside the episode for episode 9, I think the internet would explode.
It's all just wild speculation until we get some more details. If OSN accidentally leaked the inside the episode for episode 9, I think the internet would explode.
bodyofanamerican
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The Slapnuts That Was Promised.
"Miss me, slapnuts?"
demosthenes
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There is NO way fAegon will be in the show at this point.
I feel he may not be discussing those characters because it would be too hard without talking about plot points they have planned for season 6, even without those characters present. Talking about Manderly means talking about the Rickon mission, which there may be elements of in season 6, same with Vic and the dragon horn and Kingsmoot. With Stoneheart, he can at least talk about themes of her character, without discussing any of the particular bits of plot in the Riverlands that season 6 may be revisiting.
I think bringing up Jeyne is just his way of tacitly saying he hates the show's Sansa plot.
bodyofanamerican
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Bingo. Thought the same thing 100%.
Armor can be ornamental. Though chasing people around like Dr. Manhattan with their dongs out would probably inspire a different kind of fear...
That makes most sense.
m_shortpants
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You know Jon, you really are the song of Ice and Fire.
We've never seen someone actually land a blow on a White Walker with a regular weapon, iirc. Maybe they can still take damage?
they warred the stormlands and Highgarden for centurys.
RatskyWatsky
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Fingers crossed the last two episodes aren't spoilery either.
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