Basileus777
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It's not explained. But we don't know what the walkers plans or motivations are, or how the magic of the Wall works.
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It's not explained. But we don't know what the walkers plans or motivations are, or how the magic of the Wall works.
SpaceHorror
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It came from an old outline from the early 90's that leaked. Back when ASoIaF was supposed to be a trilogy. Lots of things have changed, so who knows if this is still the case when it is all said and done.
I can see them being the survivors, though.
bodyofanamerican
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Awesome conspiracy theory images as to the identity of the Night's King that I grabbed from Reddit:
Night's King, Castles, Crows, and Clasps
Night's King, Castles, Crows, and Clasps
Who is going to build this boat? The zombies? I'm trying to imagine them enacting this plan.
The Night's King: How is the fleet progress coming along?
The Night's Shipbuilder: Well, a lot of arms are falling off when trying to put up the mast, plus some of the crew don't have eyes so they aren't much help.
Plus, the odds are a bit more even at sea since you could easily sink a ship without ever coming in contact with the crew. The white walkers' powers are based on coming in direct contact with humans, so why not just zerg everyone instead of risking being cast into the bottom of the ocean by a superior naval force?
Survivors? it's pretty obvious the White Walkers win. All of Westeros is wiped out because man refused to put aside the petty Game of Thrones and face the real threat. It's GRRM's lesson to all mankind, and with the world watching it will make us all stand back and re-shift our focus towards humanity. /drops mic
Ganzlinger
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This again.. I seriously hope we don't have shonen protagonism in this series. GRRM was really good in not favoring any character as special in the books and I hope he keeps it.
H.Cornerstone
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But he should be able to Warg Dragons. Which is cool.
ChaosZeroX
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How exactly is he favoring Jon if this is true? With all the hints pretty much unofficially confirming R + L = J. I think he's had that planned since the beginning.
Every character that has a POV is a main character imo.
Basileus777
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This is not true past ASOS. And even before then you had guest POVs.
SpaceHorror
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Ganzlinger
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Dude I quoted said he was essentially the main character. That's my concern.
Ok, well, him being a Stark sounds like the coolest,least boring option, so I think I'll stick with that.
For Nan to even hint that, and that line being the only past of a character who is turning out to be a major antagonist can't be chance.
Could have swore in the Blu-Ray extra's for Season 2 or 3 they mention him being a Stark too, but I'll have to look around...
Well they did keep saying King Crow over and over again, be careful what you wish for lol.
biosnake20
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-Hardhome was "meh"
-Tyrion and Dany didn't have enough dramatic weight and they're making Dany going to Westeros all about the common people(which they're not)
-other stupid shit
So many of their criticisms of the show are with the show just being different from the books. They make it sound like it's another reason but their extreme bias is abundantly clear, to an embarrassing degree. Or they'll make fun of certain aspects of the show like only it has those problems, even though the books have very similar problems.
The crazy thing is that if GRRM wrote that Hardhome sequence line for line like it is in the show in ADWD they would both be salivating about how amazing it was in the show. But because it was mostly made by D&D, it's just alright. And this goes for a lot of book readers, not just them.
But Quaithe is future Dany. Is she trying to stop future Jon Snow? Where does future Tyrion fit into all of this?
You have to remember that Tyrion is actually future Rhaego, sent back to the past through the wormhole that exists between Daenerys and Joanna Lannister's respective vaginas.
fallengorn
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Stop spoiling A Genisys of Spring.
I guess a little hut fire in the middle of a blizzard isn't much of a threat to a WW.
bodyofanamerican
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ASOIAF is a secret InFAMOUS adaptation confirmed.
Does anyone have that multi-season line graph for this? I forget how 7 million compares to season 4.
I think in one of Melisandre's visions of Hardhome, she actually sees the fires going out as the cold white mist stuff approaches, so they probably do have some anti-fire abilities, even if they are weak to fire if you actually manage to get it on them.
Basileus777
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A good example to show how day 1 viewership on Memorial Day weekend is probably not the best way to estimate the viewership.
They say in that article that the equivalent season 4 episode has 7.17 million, so it's a bit lower than that (though last year it was the hyped Viper vs. Mountain fight, and this Hardhome battle was unexpected and kind of came out of nowhere). I don't think any season has had such a dip and quick resurgence like this though.
Do White Walkers actually get harmed by fire, or just the wights? The Walkers actually seem like they are made of ice in some way, considering the way they shatter (Night King actually looks somewhat translucent even). Not sure fire would even do anything to them except go out when it touches their skin.
Ok. So after the weird leak/Memorial Day/weak material/rape controversy doldrums, we're basically back to tracking with season 4. That's down from the premier, but I'm not sure if those premier numbers were ever sustainable. It may just be really hard to break through the 7-8 million ceiling.
And fire is only confirmed to work on wights, but Sam reads something about the walkers fearing fire, so there's probably something there. I'd imagine it's pretty hard to sneak attack them with fire before they can put it out though.
Croatoan
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My complaint is Jon warging into his wolf for the rest of the series is fucking dumb. His character development is essentially over at that point save for showing up and fighting as a wolf. GRRM needs to pick his Luke Skywalker and let him end this thing. Whether that is Dany, Jon or both. The wanton killing of "good guys" for OMG shock value has gotten real old.
Cornballer
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Some raw, unplotted numbers here. Again, note that viewership numbers for the first run premiere of the episodes are not the best indicator of overall viewership or health of the show as far as HBO is concerned. Here's the plot as of the end of S4.
Yup
I don't think anyone thinks he stays in the wolf long term. Maybe he sits out one book, but somehow someone or another finds a way to get him out of there and back into his body. The ice cells seem to be set up as a way to preserve his body precisely to allow for that.
BobTheFork
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I would take a wolf with a flaming sword in it's teeth as my end protagonist.
badcrumble
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He doesn't walk through it; the air around him is so cold that it puts the fire out.
Also, no, ordinary fire kills wights but we haven't seen it used successfully on a White Walker/Other.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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That was from George's proposal of the series (I think he'd only written a few chapters at the time) where he wrote out a summary of the storyline. It's probably not accurate anymore, the majority of what was in his proposal was changed.
Although I'm still hoping for
the Jon-Tyrion-Arya love triangle, ha.
Atraveller
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What if Tyrion is actually his own father?
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
No he is the son of Richard Rahl and Kahlan Amnell. The series will end with him going all "Thou shall not pass!" on the white walkers and creating an alternate universe that happens to be the same one we live in for all the good people of the Game of Thrones universe to move to.
The end..
H.Cornerstone
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we have no idea if Balon is still alive, he could be dead and no one knows about it.
Basileus777
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Probably not enough conveniently located volcanoes.
I'm trying to imagine the size of the army if the Night King keeps raising corpses as he goes.
I don't think a bag of dragonglass is going to help guys.
Yeah, the wildlings have known to burn their dead for a long time now, so the WW's army have mostly been fed by individual deaths in the wilderness or small scale attacks on outlying settlements. This is the first time they've grown their army by thousands in a single attack.
Might be a typical fantasy situation where if you take out the white walkers themselves, or just even the Night's King, everything goes Sauron, the earth cracks and swallows the army of the dead/they all fall to the ground as corpses.
Probably. Does have that 'puppet master' feel.
But after a millenia of waiting around I bet he wishes he attacked a couple years before dragons came back.
Or maybe he was also brought back because of the comet/whatever? Hmmm.
What if Tyrion is actually Penny's father?
WrenchNinja
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Balon is going to outlive Stannis at this rate.
graffix13
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Yep. And this is precisely why they are going to kill the one man (Jon) who has bested a WW in combat (well, second I guess...Sam being the other).
It will be a sense of "Westeros is so fucked" heading into S6.
He gave a good answer about the NK and raises the same question I have. If the NK is the same NK from Old Nan's story how is he still alive? Since the WW existed before the NK why was he so important? Have their been several NK's? It said the NK "sacrificed to the Others" which implies that he is in fact NOT an Other? Do the Others control the NK? If the WW's were defeated during the Long Night how did they seem to come back at least partially during the reign of the 13th Lord Commander? Who is the Pale Queen? Are there female Others? Can Others procreate with humans? What if the Song of Ice and Fire is a union between a warm blooded, maybe even Targ, human with a Cold as Ice Other?
CitizenVectron
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That's such a big trope that I don't think GRRM will do it. I know he's said in interviews a long time ago that he doesn't even like the whole "big magic battle to determine the fate of the world" thing either. So I wouldn't expect a final battle between good and evil.
H.Cornerstone
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I agree with the theory that the night king in the show is the great other in the books.
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