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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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SpaceHorror
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In the inside the episode and the EW interview, D&D kept saying it was earned. No it wasn't. It was contrived. God mode Ramsay burns his supplies and we are told Stannis is in a no win situation and he just burns his daughter.
I realize that maybe the showrunners felt like they didn't have time to drag it out, but I feel like Ramsay's sneak attack should have happened earlier. That way we could have seen Stannis' army suffer and the morale grow weaker as men die, that way when he eventually comes to the decision if feels earned. It would still be terrible and I'd still count myself out of Team Stannis (at least for the show for now), but at least it would have felt earned.
Not just, lol burn her.
I realize that maybe the showrunners felt like they didn't have time to drag it out, but I feel like Ramsay's sneak attack should have happened earlier. That way we could have seen Stannis' army suffer and the morale grow weaker as men die, that way when he eventually comes to the decision if feels earned. It would still be terrible and I'd still count myself out of Team Stannis (at least for the show for now), but at least it would have felt earned.
Not just, lol burn her.
Atraveller
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Maybe Ramsay is the true fire god.
LifEndz
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Yeah. I feel like marge telling homer about living under the sea. It's not gonna happen.
Cabbagehead
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Yep Ramsay for some reason has become smarter then his dad and stannis an can do no wrong. That villain armor is sound might as well crown him the king.
I really wasn't a fan of the Pit CGI. The only half decent shot was the dragon roaring in Dany's face. They completely fucked the depth of the upper stands of the coliseum - the people would have been like 3 feet tall. It took me out of it, and it just seemed like a giant clusterfuck.
"Hey Bill, go to the wall and get Shireen, will ya? Thanks."
Beelzebufo
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"Fuck GRRM. Why would Ned die? He's the hero!"
Anyway, people who assume Stannis will literally burn Shireen are kinda missing the point I think. It's probably much more likely he burns Theon to save the day at Winterfell (if anyone at all), and someone else burns Shireen.
hipsterpants
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The burning scene (no matter how dumb the whole thing is) should have occurred a few episodes ago to show his desperation building. Instead he's like "well shit, I guess I need to burn my daughter now."
Stannis is probably going to die next episode or early in S6 by Brienne anyway.
-Pyromaniac-
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At least they're consistent with Ramsay. Maybe dude is just that damn good
Cabbagehead
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It was
Atraveller
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Why did Dany bail on everyone else? Instead of "Fly!" maybe she could try burning the harpies .
crazyrabbits
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Yeah, that`s what I thought. Instead of having the build-up be limited to a few minutes before the torching, it should have happened two or three episodes ago, with his men getting increasingly desperate as he tries to calm them down, then Mel or Selyse going behind his back and performing the ritual with him arriving too late to do anything (and maybe even begrudgingly agreeing that it was the right thing to do).
This just comes off as contrived and out of left field.
There`s a difference in making someone a Villain Sue like Spike from Buffy The Vampire Slayer (where he`s an unrepentant asshole for a long time, but you like him because he does cool things) and someone like Ramsey (who does unrepentant things and is hated by the audience, but is still played up as cool by the showrunners when he really isn`t).
Well, it was Ramsay fookin' Bolton.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Olly is still stupid, and it's going to shitty when he stabs Jon. Hopefully Wun Wun whacks him up against some walls.
Meryn Trant is a pedo, sure whatever.
Is Myrcella gonna get disfigured or what?
The fights in the pit were pretty lame.
When the Sons of the Harpies first appeared, the music made me laugh pretty hard.
Drogon looked alright. Dany riding Drogon looked worse than (or at best on par with) the Neverending Story, and that movie is 30 years old. Hopefull she has greyscale, but I'll settle for intense diarrhea next episode.
I'm pretty sure Ramsay is Azor Ahai with all the shit he can pull off. Crazy how all twenty guys managed to sabotage all of Stannis most important stuff without anyone noticing. The Northerners know the land... what fucking ever. It was all just stupid setup for...
Buring Shireen. I'm pretty sure this well happen in some form in the books. But it'll probably be set up better and make more sense and not rushed to fuck as it is here. The Lord of Light can't even kill all the three kings he's supposed to nor can Melisandre see some fire in her fucking fire. I just don't buy Stannis willing to burn Shireen at this point. But whatever.
Meryn Trant is a pedo, sure whatever.
Is Myrcella gonna get disfigured or what?
The fights in the pit were pretty lame.
When the Sons of the Harpies first appeared, the music made me laugh pretty hard.
Drogon looked alright. Dany riding Drogon looked worse than (or at best on par with) the Neverending Story, and that movie is 30 years old. Hopefull she has greyscale, but I'll settle for intense diarrhea next episode.
I'm pretty sure Ramsay is Azor Ahai with all the shit he can pull off. Crazy how all twenty guys managed to sabotage all of Stannis most important stuff without anyone noticing. The Northerners know the land... what fucking ever. It was all just stupid setup for...
Buring Shireen. I'm pretty sure this well happen in some form in the books. But it'll probably be set up better and make more sense and not rushed to fuck as it is here. The Lord of Light can't even kill all the three kings he's supposed to nor can Melisandre see some fire in her fucking fire. I just don't buy Stannis willing to burn Shireen at this point. But whatever.
Ramsay is becoming a hero at this point. At least Ramsay hasn't burned or flayed a child that I can remember. Go team Ramsay.
Dreadnought
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She did, in the last shot the Harpies were gone.
Yeah wait, the rest of her squad are still standing around in the middle of a the pit. Do all the Harpies just run away now that it's gone?
LegalEagleMike
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Stannis defeats Boltons, Brienne kills Stannis, Sansa unites the North. No fucking clue what is going to happen with Jon since the popular theory has been blown to hell with this week.
What gave you the impression that they were master fighters? They were being cut down like nothing. Theres just so many of them that they can easily overwhelm, it seemed like a lot of their kills were backstabs.
Drogon ran out of MP. Your version of the show doesn't have the UI overlay?
And people are still going to try and say this shit was in-character for Stannis.
The King in the North!
I see it now. He will single-handedly take care of the others. Because how couldn't he!?
LegalEagleMike
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Like someone said earlier, she had to get as far away from Jorah as possible before he thought he was forgiven.
badcrumble
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Wow. I honestly can't think of a part of that episode that I liked.
Burning your own daughter makes zero sense whether it's in the books or presented here. It lowers morale and your reputation across the kingdom. You're now known as the man who burned his only daughter alive. Stannis now has no heirs to succeed him. Not to mention Davos isn't going to play along once he hears this shit.
You then have the show stupidity in that he sold his daughter out for some good weather. I mean at least with 'Gendry', he killed off three kings. Then there is the mother all of a sudden freaking out which makes absolutely zero fucking sense. It would been better for Stannis to have that reaction. Not to mention all those wonderful scenes showing that Stannis does love his daughter. Well I guess not enough to not burn her alive.
You then have the show stupidity in that he sold his daughter out for some good weather. I mean at least with 'Gendry', he killed off three kings. Then there is the mother all of a sudden freaking out which makes absolutely zero fucking sense. It would been better for Stannis to have that reaction. Not to mention all those wonderful scenes showing that Stannis does love his daughter. Well I guess not enough to not burn her alive.
smokeandmirrors
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#TeamSerPounce
bengraven
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And dragons get a 100% stamina boost when their health hits 50%.
I think Davos was sent away for the same reason. Once he reunites with Stannis in both medias I think we'll get a large scene where Davos finally loses all faith in the man. He will likely finally attempt to murder Mel as well.
And as for it being the same man?
"Hundreds of your own people will die"
"Thousands" *shrugs*
THE KING IN THE NORTH!!!
I bet his fingernails are dragonglass.
It is known.
Atraveller
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She simply flew away, harpies ran away from Dany's crew for no reason.
CLAMS AND COCKLES
it's a metaphor for Trant the pedophile, who wants her clam with his cockle.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
next episode we'll get a scene where the Nights King breaks into Ramsays dog kennel, and Ramsays standing there shirtless with claws out
the truest badass there is
But it wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary in the world of the books. Shitty shit happens all the time. It's awful, but it's par for the course.
They're going through Unsullied like they're carving a cake.
She should have yelled "I'll always think of you as a frriiiieennndddddd" as she flew away.
Phrozenflame500
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I really hope the "but guys GoT kills people you should have expected it" meme dies. GRRM kills characters when they both create more plot lines and are the result of the character's tragic (in the literary sense) mistakes. Sheeran's death certainly wasn't the latter and would have to be streched pretty hard to be the former.
Dreadnought
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Did you not see them getting lit on fire?
Basileus777
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I don't understand why people have a problem with this. Even a fanatic can lose it when their daughter is being burned alive and begging for their help in front of them. There's absolutely nothing hard to believe about her reaction.
InfiniDragon
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I get what you're going for, but it's quite a bit different for a lot of people when it's a kid and you hear the whole grisly thing. They didn't do that with the two substitutes Theon used for Bran and Rickon yet here no fucks given.
On the plus side I guess we know the King on the Iron Throne or the King Beyond the Wall or the King in the North or any of those guys aren't the one true king. Clearly it's the King of the Edge. XD
I think it's because she's a complete jackass in the show and the books prior to this event and more people expected her to take the stance Stannis did in this scene.
Atraveller
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lol
Bad guys ran away, first thing to do should be taking care of her friends, not bail on them.
Only about 10 of them did.
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