Episode 8 just made me believe that the show could do both but obviously not
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Episode 8 just made me believe that the show could do both but obviously not
Basileus777
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The book did too, which is why a lot of Brienne's AFFC chapters were really redundant and heavy handed. Septon Maribald speaking with the voice of GRRM being the highest example.
The same could be said for those who thought Olly wouldn't stab Jon.
Sometimes you just have to deny what you know to be true and follow your heart to
one month of
I dunno, I think Miranda might still be alright.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
I liked this season fine but I think that the main issue was having to hurry some plots while stretching others while at the same time having to remove or reorganize a lot of the plots that treaded a lot of water like brienne, sansa, Jamie etc.
These were always going to be the hardest to adapt because of the lack of forward movement.
Maybe with the world building books out of the way they will do better with books that have more obvious signposts along the way
These were always going to be the hardest to adapt because of the lack of forward movement.
Maybe with the world building books out of the way they will do better with books that have more obvious signposts along the way
I think it shows that Stannis is an idiot. In the book, he was against burning people while they were starving in the snow because he said half his army was non-believers and they would abandon him. What happens in the show? He burns his daughter and half his army abandons him.
I don't know how it would be done in the books. I have to think it would be done better than that.
They did, however, give Stannis' page on the official site an update claiming that Brienne killed him.
vas_a_morir
Banned
The same could be said for those who thought Olly wouldn't stab Jon.
That Lil' Himmler? You know he was planning something dirty.
You think Jon would walk through that gate without the people he just went through hell to save?
From Jon's sit down with Sam it couldn't have been more than a day or two after he returned.
My ex-girlfriend's mother, a GAFfer's wife, and ~16,000 others.
I won't. I'm in until the end.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
Too many people enjoy complaining about the show week after week to stop watching.
Basileus777
Member
Few invested enough to spend hours a week talking about it on GAF will quit.
I'm super curious about the dynamic for next season. Do we combine readers with Unsullied? Do we lose people entirely? I dunno! I'm in.
Never got five years into a thing and then left it, no matter where it went. Let the gods see my heart and judge me leal and loyal if nothing else.
bishopcruz
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Dunno, my best friend, who was an apologist for the season early on pretty much said he was done, which kinda surprised me. My roommate a show only guy, said pretty much "fuck it I'm out" because of Jon.
Honestly this season feels like the equivalent of True Blood's witch season. It was jsut bad all around with a few shining examples of competence.
BTW, what happened to Marg and Loras? They just dropped them.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
I thought this was a great season. People are mad because something that took thousands and thousands of words to frame and build up to is being pared down to a best/worst of that feels like we're only getting the shocks.
I would only point out that both Dorne and the Iron Islands come out of fucking nowhere in the books. You're halfway through reading those chapters thinking wwwwwtf am I reading? Does nobody remember how looooooooooooooong it took to get to the point of Myrcella as prisoner? Or all the insanely detailed antics of the Iron Islands politicking? The even-more-heavy-handed-than-the-sparrows critique of religion?
Nobody?
I would only point out that both Dorne and the Iron Islands come out of fucking nowhere in the books. You're halfway through reading those chapters thinking wwwwwtf am I reading? Does nobody remember how looooooooooooooong it took to get to the point of Myrcella as prisoner? Or all the insanely detailed antics of the Iron Islands politicking? The even-more-heavy-handed-than-the-sparrows critique of religion?
Nobody?
Atraveller
Banned
Depends on how soon GRRM can get TWOW out.
I've said it plenty of times, we should keep separate threads. There's too much bitching from readers for it not to totally ruin the thread for non-readers. Just ask Tabris.
I did, Supernatural.
brownfedora
Member
We'll have to wait and see although I don't share your confidence in the books after 4 and 5.
I wouldn't surprised if GRRM has him against burning people to help illustrate how dire the situation is when he inevitably turns to it to bail his army out. But just conjecture on my part. We'll see what happens.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I won't. It may piss me off, but I fucking love it when it does things right. Apart from Stannis dying, Jon's sudden death and cliffhanger, and Arya's cliffhanger I am pretty ok with this finale, even if it is the weakest.
Kit did an interview with EW saying that he "truly" is dead, I totally believe him:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview
Yeah sure, you're just leaving it grown out for that other TV/movie role that might require super long, unkempt hair.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview
EW said:
Yeah sure, you're just leaving it grown out for that other TV/movie role that might require super long, unkempt hair.
Probably got put on Gendry's boat.
bishopcruz
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More heavy handed than the sparrows? Please, the Sparrows of the show were FAR more ridiculous than the Sparrows of the book.
No, I'm absolutely with you.
Season 5 had some blatant problems, but I'll take it over AFFC/ADWD overall. 2015 was never going to be the best of Thrones.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
To be fair that show should have ended at Season 5. Now it's being milked like a cow past her prime =(
Plot devices for Cercei's walk of shame, they are no longer needed.
bishopcruz
Member
Note the part in the quoted text about how he cut his hair shortly after the interview.
Still think he's coming back, of course, but do note that.
Basileus777
Member
You think they had more time to create scenes for them? The show is already plagued by how incredibly rushed it is from trying to cram way too much into 60 minutes.
brownfedora
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I don't get why people yearn for the kingsmoot and the machinations of Dorne. They were boring and a huge disappointment for a lot of readers.
D&D had the right ideas on strengthening the plot for TV but didn't execute very well. Hopefully WoW provides better source content for them to adapt.
m_shortpants
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"What are your plans?"
"Oh you know, Jon gets revived next season so just shooting season six then let's see what happens."
Gotta throw off the scent.
I always thought from the show's portrayal that the religions were intended to give people comfort. Like they hope for bountiful harvests and healthy children.
Being saddled with more or less than same sins you find in the Christian faith threw me through a loop.
EroticSushi
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I think he only cut like an inch off lol
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
The good news is that at least half of them should get off that boat next season.
the bad news is that they'll probably add more to replace them
PsychoSoldier
Banned
Yup. I'm sure I'll appreciate them more on a reread but most of what I remember about AFFC was "well at least the cersei parts were good" and what I remember about ADWD was "Another Dany chapter? Fuck you"
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Lol at what the fuck Davos is going to do?
Jon Azor Ahai Snow's new advisor.
Yeah. I mean it seems like the books and series are so distinct at this point though. Just ban anyone who pulls a #nooneunderstands lol that'll make both threads better.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
I totally meant the Drowned God stuff was more heavy handed than the Sparrows' critique on religion. GRRM very much has a point to make alongside his realities-of-war stuff.
Right, this is where I'm at too. If the show never existed people would still be pointing to the two books in question as where it went off the rails. But now that the show is attempting to adapt what we all consider a beautiful mess at best and a long, boring, complicated slog that doesn't advance the plot at worst ... it's like people are forgetting that this is actually a pretty decent job making that source material work.
Dorne was a problem but will probably pay off. The Iron Islands are going to be a train wreck but will probably pay off. Winterfell was cleaned up a bit and Ramsay looks godlike, Stannis' march was shortened but we can hand-wave most of those criticisms away.
I guess I don't see how most of these complaints don't start with the source material being a mess. Which most of us agree on.
Well, resurrection sure seemed to change Berric quite a bit. His entire face, body, and hair color seemed to change. Odd.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
He'll go off looking for Rickon and serve as next year's Quest of Pointlessness.
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