I know they were all aged up - it'd have been pretty difficult to film most of the series otherwise, but just Tommen feels particularly young. Not just his appearance, but his lines too. I know it's intentional but it didn't stop it being uncomfortable.
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I know they were all aged up - it'd have been pretty difficult to film most of the series otherwise, but just Tommen feels particularly young. Not just his appearance, but his lines too. I know it's intentional but it didn't stop it being uncomfortable.
biosnake20
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I think Tommen is supposed to be like 13/14 years old in the show right now.
I'm reading all this Sansa outrage and shaking my head. She does nothing after ASoS. Even in the preview chapter from Winds she is still the same vapid child she always was. She may be more sympathetic towards Jon after her experiences but she is sitting around in the Vale waiting for other people to do something.
The show has actually forced her to make decisions and do things for herself. Littlefinger is still driving her but he has told her she needs to do things if she wants the world to give her justice and be a better place.
In the books she is eventually going to leave the Vale and go North, it has been her most wanted thought only distracted when she thought the Tyrell's could wrest her from Cersei and to Highgarden.
I quite like the fact that she is not undercover as Alayne, it makes much more sense for the show rather than her brooding as an inconsequential character. She was also the one who made the choice to reveal herself. Once she told the Lords Declarent I think we can assume Baelish knew the cat was out the bag and story would get out. No matter how honourable they seem, somehow spies are everywhere.
Also Littlefinger thumbing his nose at Cersei isn't exactly poking the Lion as it were since she has no army without Kevan and Baelish already has an alliance with the Tyrell's securing Marge's crown and planning Joffrey's murder. Cersei has no spies with Varys departed. She has no wealth to pay sellswords either with Lannister mines unproductive and the Iron Bank having backed Stannis it would seem imprudent to pay soldiers on both sides of a war.
Of course Cersei isn't that stupid and not blind to her lack of power which is why she lowered herself to meet the Sparrows even if she is not a pious person she will try and co-opt their power. I think that is a rather good portrayal of Cersei, she is desperate to maintain her royal power that she is always thinking of the short term.
I am looking forward to the culmination of the North plot with Brienne, Stannis, Littlefinger, the Boltons and Sansa. There are a lot of ways it could work out. Also interesting to see how/if Varys and Jorah interact. Did Varys plan this meeting? Tyrion is so obvious that kidnapping him in a brothel could be easily arranged. If Varys is truly for Dany, he tipped Jorah to the wine merchant even if it wasn't explicit he knew Jorah had fallen for her, is he helping Jorah get back in her good graces and making sure Tyrion makes it to Mereen. It is all very interesting now we have moved off the page.
The show has actually forced her to make decisions and do things for herself. Littlefinger is still driving her but he has told her she needs to do things if she wants the world to give her justice and be a better place.
In the books she is eventually going to leave the Vale and go North, it has been her most wanted thought only distracted when she thought the Tyrell's could wrest her from Cersei and to Highgarden.
I quite like the fact that she is not undercover as Alayne, it makes much more sense for the show rather than her brooding as an inconsequential character. She was also the one who made the choice to reveal herself. Once she told the Lords Declarent I think we can assume Baelish knew the cat was out the bag and story would get out. No matter how honourable they seem, somehow spies are everywhere.
Also Littlefinger thumbing his nose at Cersei isn't exactly poking the Lion as it were since she has no army without Kevan and Baelish already has an alliance with the Tyrell's securing Marge's crown and planning Joffrey's murder. Cersei has no spies with Varys departed. She has no wealth to pay sellswords either with Lannister mines unproductive and the Iron Bank having backed Stannis it would seem imprudent to pay soldiers on both sides of a war.
Of course Cersei isn't that stupid and not blind to her lack of power which is why she lowered herself to meet the Sparrows even if she is not a pious person she will try and co-opt their power. I think that is a rather good portrayal of Cersei, she is desperate to maintain her royal power that she is always thinking of the short term.
I am looking forward to the culmination of the North plot with Brienne, Stannis, Littlefinger, the Boltons and Sansa. There are a lot of ways it could work out. Also interesting to see how/if Varys and Jorah interact. Did Varys plan this meeting? Tyrion is so obvious that kidnapping him in a brothel could be easily arranged. If Varys is truly for Dany, he tipped Jorah to the wine merchant even if it wasn't explicit he knew Jorah had fallen for her, is he helping Jorah get back in her good graces and making sure Tyrion makes it to Mereen. It is all very interesting now we have moved off the page.
That's why they aged him and all of the other young characters up in the show. 12+ is perfectly legal in this show-world.
They were not. But they grew up in the same house. That's close enough for an episode summary.
Cpt.Underpants
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Any chance Aemon's
words to Jon would be on the show?
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You will have little joy of your command, but I think you have the strength in you to do the things that must be done. Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
That would be a good call if it were.
Think how weird it would be if they didn't recast him.
Cpt.Underpants
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Yasssss. Hopefully its there
Eh there are far more uncomfortable sex scenes with children in the books.
Finally someone will get to avenge their parents.
Very true, but due to the ages changing weren't as striking. That or omitted completely. I'm not saying the books are a haven from uncomfortable viewing/reading - this was just unexpected, and visually noticeable (Dormer is over twice his age) - hence why I was a bit startled.
The problem I have with that is
In the ep summary right before that, it says "Sansa tries to talk to Theon". Why would it refer his name as Theon in their relationship in the episode before, then suddenly he is "old friend"? The only options to me is that in ep7 she resolves any issues she has with Theon, and he is her friend by ep8. That or, it's not Theon at all in ep8....... LSH believe.
Plot twist: Myranda is actually Jeyne Poole.
bodyofanamerican
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I was, in all seriousness, gonna post this. Imagine she's a bitter ex-bedwarmer from Winterfell who Ramsay picked up when he sacked the castle.
badcrumble
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I find it weird that people dislike that the show has made Cersei a greyer character rather than the cartoonishly insane and evil one from the books. She's way more interesting as a thoroughly hatable overprotective mom.
eot
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He's young enough that he isn't aware what he's putting his royal seal on. I think there's a line somewhere in the books that he likes stamping documents. They just put whatever they want passed in front of him and it's done.
cartoon_soldier
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Why does no one care that Gendry was in the latest episode.
Like it couldn't be clearer, well it could if someone could get the HD version of the left picture.
Everyone is like where is Gendry D&D don't care, he is still rowing etc. Well there he is. A Sparrow. And no one has noticed.
Like it couldn't be clearer, well it could if someone could get the HD version of the left picture.
Everyone is like where is Gendry D&D don't care, he is still rowing etc. Well there he is. A Sparrow. And no one has noticed.
Why does no one care that Gendry was in the latest episode.
Like it couldn't be clearer, well it could if someone could get the HD version of the left picture.
Everyone is like where is Gendry D&D don't care, he is still rowing etc. Well there he is. A Sparrow. And no one has noticed.
I can't tell if you're joking. That's clearly not him. And they showed that scene being filmed in the Day in the Life behind the scenes thing before the season started that makes it even more clear:
Why does no one care that Gendry was in the latest episode.
Like it couldn't be clearer, well it could if someone could get the HD version of the left picture.
Everyone is like where is Gendry D&D don't care, he is still rowing etc. Well there he is. A Sparrow. And no one has noticed.
Did you read my post at all?
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Maybe...or when the mutiny happens, Olly, Sam, Edd and Jon all die instead of just Jon.
eot
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Why does no one care that Gendry was in the latest episode.
Like it couldn't be clearer, well it could if someone could get the HD version of the left picture.
Everyone is like where is Gendry D&D don't care, he is still rowing etc. Well there he is. A Sparrow. And no one has noticed.
Dude, they're clearly different people.
bodyofanamerican
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Man, what a great bit of speculation on Reddit. Someone on there thinks that if Littlefinger ends up having to go back to KL on the request of Cersei, he won't be ABLE to return to Winterfell because the Sparrows are gonna take him prisoner for running a brothel (remember this past week when they busted in, and the pimp yelled "this place is run by Petyr Baelish!").
If this happens, he's totally going to sell Cersei out to the High Sparrows in place place of Osney, and maybe he even gets killed?
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If this happens, he's totally going to sell Cersei out to the High Sparrows in place place of Osney, and maybe he even gets killed?
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Liquidsnake
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Please don't hurt Sansa.
Please.
Please.
Moff
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no way littlefinger gets killed, he is endgame.
but the rest sounds very plausible, his name was dropped in the last episode, good catch
So I've never read the books - just read wiki of ice and fire summaries.
Is the show starting to diverge from the books quite a bit or still in line? I know there were new book spoilers last year around the ice king guy, but anything this season so far? Is Bran's story the only one caught up from the books?
Is the show starting to diverge from the books quite a bit or still in line? I know there were new book spoilers last year around the ice king guy, but anything this season so far? Is Bran's story the only one caught up from the books?
Liquidsnake
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Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Can't believe we never got no Kettleblacks up in this shit. Who doesn't love those guys? Which one is your alls favorite? They're all so different, and the several times I've read through the story I've never had any problem keeping track of which was which. I don't know who I'd pick.
adamsappel
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I thought Headey did a great job in this scene. She's really off-balance and you can see the power shift. I think Margaery is going to be the one to cause her downfall with the High Sparrow and they'll drop the storyline where Cersei accuses Margaery and her maids.
Great acting.
I honestly think Lena is the best actor/actress in the show.
Moff
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there are some actors which I consider more than perfect for their role, meaning they don't just match perfectly, but actually make their characters much more interesting. this happened to me for theon, tywin, bronn, jaqen and cersei, too. D&D deserve certainly some praise, too. I'm not sure I'll be happy with book cersei again.
I thought that conversation was effective at showing that Margaery has suddenly become a little over-confident. She's queen, she nearly has control of Tommen, the Lannisters are fading - she thinks that she's made it, that she has arrived at the destination. So she unloads on Cersei in a way she wouldn't have before she was Queen. She has never been so brazen before. Even Cersei is a bit shocked, though she hides it.
I don't know, I don't think it's wise. She has Cersei beaten in the game all ends up as Tommen will always side with her over his mother long-term, so now is the time to play it a little cooler and just let things settle. Play Cersei the way Jon played Aliser in the same episode, subverting the expected humiliation of a defeated rival with newfound respect. Her arrogance could end up getting her killed. You've never 'made it' in the world of game of thrones.
bodyofanamerican
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Agree so much. I could never pick an absolute favorite (I think Alfie Allen is as good as her, if not the best given the right material), but Lena is absolutely amazing.
edit: That scene with Margaery this week really was indicative of everything Lena brings to the table, from the overall passive aggressiveness, to especially the barely noticeable facial expressions (especially the quick look of surprise and resignation when Marg goes to hug her the first time).
Red Arremer
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I think Charles Dance and Diana Rigg have stolen the show for me, but Lena Heady certainly is high up there.
Liam Cunningham, David Bradley, Conleth Hill, Pedro Pascal, Jack Gleeson and Harry Lloyd who, in my opinion, should get the award for being the most underrated actor on the show, are also top tier.
Also, I hope we'll get more Roger Ashton-Griffiths. I just love him as Mace Tyrell. So good.
Liam Cunningham, David Bradley, Conleth Hill, Pedro Pascal, Jack Gleeson and Harry Lloyd who, in my opinion, should get the award for being the most underrated actor on the show, are also top tier.
Also, I hope we'll get more Roger Ashton-Griffiths. I just love him as Mace Tyrell. So good.
Plot wise it is diverging quite a bit, character wise its been quite different for awhile.
So you're telling me Pod is a Sparrow now?
Just like how the Deep Thinking maesters and septums think The Seven are all just aspects of one God, so too is every single character in ASOIAF just different aspects of The One Character.
biosnake20
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I really don't think she'll be tortured. At least not physically. This isn't a fake pretending to be a stark this is literally a stark and the key to the north. If Roose and LF are working together then it doesn't make sense to just let Ramsay torture her and if Roose says something Ramsay will obey. And I think Ramsay might not want to risk anything especially after Roose told him he royally fucked up by torturing Theon.
Yeah, I think it's a deliberate contrast between Roose/Ramsay and Cersei/Joffrey- Roose is teaching Ramsay to not shit where he eats.
cartoon_soldier
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Err...missing...someone. What's his face...oh yea Peter Dinklage
I will also add (using character names):
Stannis, Mance (with material given to him), Melisandre, Ned Stark, Shireen.
I am sure I am forgetting others too.
Lena is a great actress but I don't buy her as book-Cersei, the book version is too ingrained in my mind. Much like Ciaran Hinds as Mance Rayder, she's almost a different character to me
This also goes for Brienne and some others with different characterization, she would never have that conversation with Robert in Season 1 for example
This also goes for Brienne and some others with different characterization, she would never have that conversation with Robert in Season 1 for example
PhoenixDark
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They're all different characters, as the show isn't the books. TV Cersei isn't a temptress nor is she as manipulative.
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