Bran is training to become a Tree Jedi in the north.
Also Rickon is what...8 by now? He should be walking. He would be a great playmate for Tommen when the Lannisters capture him.
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Bran is training to become a Tree Jedi in the north.
Also Rickon is what...8 by now? He should be walking. He would be a great playmate for Tommen when the Lannisters capture him.
biosnake20
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Now another year of looking at castings and leaked pics is ahead of us. Can't wait for the Season 6 new cast video. Hopefully it's at comic con again.
Admiral Woofington
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God I really do hope jon comes back just to murder all those assholes. Ollie gets the worst death
Cpt.Underpants
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I'll do it. Bolton style
And the rest will be excellent sacrifices for the LoL
m_shortpants
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Jaime wasn't wasted in AFFC. His stuff in the Riverlands was great and is legit character development. His throwing away of Cerseis letter was a great moment.
In the show, Jaime had absolutely 0 development in the past two seasons. He doesn't seem like he's changed a bit. No "moonboy for all I know", no nothing.
I seriously wonder if they have any idea what to do with him.
Ape Gone Insane
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I'm not so sure he does. I think he's just doing that so it doesn't look like they were always the favourites/heroes if there's ever a resurgence. One of the books he had planned before A Dream of Spring (or the title) was called 'A Time for Wolves' - interpret that how you will. But I definitely think Starks have a key role to play.
m_shortpants
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"You know Jon, you really are A Song of Ice and Fire"
There aren't really many houses left unscathed at this point, though. The Lannisters are in disarray. The Starks scattered. Jon Arryn is dead, and so is his wife. The Martells have lost Oberyn and will lose his wife shortly. The Bartheons, as far as I can tell, are totally obliterated. The closest to an "unscathed" party would be the Tyrells, who are all alive, even if several are imprisoned.
Ignatz Mouse
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Sansa's not a pawn anymore, she's either dead or escaped.
How is his situation more desperate? In the books there's actual Northerners on the side of the Boltons that are itching to turn cloak as soon as possible for the Red Wedding. Manderlys especially are almost guaranteed to attack the Freys in the beginning of the next book. Stannis is also going to actually use his military mind and use the terrain to his advantage instead of walking up to Winterfell with no intel whatsoever on the Boltons anD getting decimated. And he doesn't have to deal with Ramsays ridiculous plot armor.
Pyramid head
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I think I care what happens to Sansa in the show about as much as I care what happens to Jeyne Poole in the books.
eot
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He mixed up Bran and Rickon
Uh, he's stranded in a frozen ghost town, burning his own men for eating each other. The Manderlys or other northerners may take down the Boltons, but none of them could give 2 shits about Stannis. If it comes to it, they'll turn against him if he tries to raise his flaming stag/heart banner over WF. The north will never kneel to a southron king again.
Couple random things I wanted to mention after re-watching
- Stephane Dilane's resignation as he realizes his fate was some great acting.
- After all the criticism of the very difficult flying scene, some of it deserved, Daenerys with Drogon in this episode was really well done. Emilia Clarke broke out of her standard 2 or 3 modes a bit too.
- Season 1 limited the scale a bit with a lower budget, we didn't see wide shots of armies and such very much. Not sure why they appeared out of nowhere, but it was very nice to see such a large scale Dohtraki Khalasar riding. Sold how big of an impact they could have on her forces.
- Still can't believe that was all Sansa got to do after so much punishment
- Stephane Dilane's resignation as he realizes his fate was some great acting.
- After all the criticism of the very difficult flying scene, some of it deserved, Daenerys with Drogon in this episode was really well done. Emilia Clarke broke out of her standard 2 or 3 modes a bit too.
- Season 1 limited the scale a bit with a lower budget, we didn't see wide shots of armies and such very much. Not sure why they appeared out of nowhere, but it was very nice to see such a large scale Dohtraki Khalasar riding. Sold how big of an impact they could have on her forces.
- Still can't believe that was all Sansa got to do after so much punishment
Ape Gone Insane
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kill olly
I loved that wide shot of Winterfell, it finally gave an impression of how massive it is and it looked rather intimidating.
He walks out of castle black like a boss. Goes to Winterfell and kills that little shit Ramsey.
Fixed that.
And then the rest of the show is just Ramsay having Mel revive people so he can torture and kill them in new and painful ways and slowly acquiring the remaining major characters through increasingly improbable ways. /s
Takes his wildling army on a raid to Winterfell after smashing Allister and Olly
never thought about it, but Stannis being Lord Commander of the nights Watch would be cool and kinda redeeming for him.
I think the issue is that a portion of The Watch still don't actually believe in White Walkers despite almost empirical evidence. The group that murdered Jon still believe their main enemy is The Wildlings.
Which is kind of fucked because Alliser Thorne has been at the wall for more than 15 years and is First Ranger. A role once held by Benjen Stark, who chided Tyrion in season one for doubting the existence of supernatural creatures.
D&D have definitely fucked this aspect of Jon's death. In the books, it's almost understandable why Jon is killed. In the show, it's fucking stupid.
p.sure you've got Bran and Rickon mixed up there.
HAHA, yeah, I did. I'll leave my stupidity there for posterity sake.
I am pretty sure the Stark kids do have a role to play, just how much of what made them Starks are left?
This is true - the show makes it seem even more dire then the books I think. The number of Tyrells, Lannisters and Targeyians can all be counted pretty easily. Maybe the big houses all disappear by the end of ASOIAF.
RukusProvider
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House Bolton: Winning.
m_shortpants
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Possibly. I always thought Jaime would end up being the 1000th Lord Commander. It's the only way out for him as well.
CitizenVectron
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Stannis was born to be Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
In terms of the line of succession, Margaery and Loras aren't that important to the preservation of the dynasty at Highgarden. They are rich with the resources to feed and upkeep a large army.
but Winter is Coming.
Yeah, I really didn't get a feel for Winterfell's layout at all in Season 1 aside from the opening credits. I didn't recognize it when the Bolton's rode up to it at first. Better here definitely.
Bubblicious
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#TeamResurrectedJonKillsOlly
The queen.
Pyramid head
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I lol'd when she used that cockscrew everybody was so sure would be the tool of her righteous vengence to open a fucking door!
I'd be so down with that. The 'entry requirements' for lowlife allowed to take the black are almost poetically suited to someone who has fucked up as badly as Stannis.
I'm kind of surprised how many people seem to be fine with how this went down on the show. It's one of the worst fuck ups D&D have made. Without any sort of equivalent to the pink letter, there was absolutely no reason for the mutiny to take place. Some of the non book readers I know thought it had something to do with Stannis burning Shireen. Any protestations about "but the wildlings blah blah" became completely redundant the moment they let them through the gate. It makes no sense to Kill Jon at this point unless you pretend that everyone in the watch suddenly became an absolute, brain dead moron, with no memory of events since the story began.
i mean, his watch is ended right? he died, so he's not a member of the watch anymore. he's free to do whatever he wants if he comes back
And the Boltons of course, who will end up magically sitting on the Iron Throne.
I do not get the hate for Olly, he is a kid and ended up following the mob, Thorne is the real asshole and the one who probably orchestrated the whole thing to begin with.
Admiral Woofington
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In the books he's free to leave. In the show he's not about to ditch the wall.
I don't disagree, but isn't part of his motivation for backing Stannis in the first place, the promise of support for the wall (should Stannis have won...oops)?
I would think IF he would leave the wall it would be to strengthen them in some way (rally the north or something).
i think the best move for show jon if he comes back would be to leave the wall.
1. who the eff would even want him there as this dude who came back from the dead. they'd just try and kill him again or something.
2. he is the strongest symbol in uniting the north, and now free of the constraints of the black is actually able to do it.
1. who the eff would even want him there as this dude who came back from the dead. they'd just try and kill him again or something.
2. he is the strongest symbol in uniting the north, and now free of the constraints of the black is actually able to do it.
Cpt.Underpants
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Didn't Rob name Jon as his heir? In the books that is. So I'm sure the guy is free from his NW vows. As for the show since he's already dead I guess that free's him as well unless he has a change of heart
He states that is his intention to, and I believe it's implied he tells his bannermen (who have the "Great Northern Conspiracy" going), but we do not get 100% confirmation it's done and the realm as a whole does not know. Jon doesn't.
That reminds me, did they ever resolve that in the show? I seem to remember Robb sending the letter in the show and then did it just disappear?
In the book world, that would go to Edric Storm, King Robert's eldest acknowledged Bastard-born son. Roughly the same age as Trystane Martell, Edric was conceived on Stannis' Wedding night with one of Selyse's cousins, Delena. As Delena was of noble birth, Edric was acknowledged by the King. He would then be sent to Storm's End as a ward of Renly and was under the guardianship of Cortnay Penrose. As an acknowledged bastard, Edric would be sent birthday gifts by King Robert, chosen by Varys, every year.
Although Gendry is older than Edric his existence is unknown to most of Westeros and as his mother wasn't highborn he was never acknowledged by Robert, although his tutelage under the blacksmith was paid for.
Of Robert's many bastard's, there is also Mya Stone. Who is his oldest bastard and although was never acknowledged it is very well known that she is biologically King Robert's daughter but as she is female the line of succession would pass her over in favour of Edric anyway.
Many of King Robert's known bastards were murdered shortly after his death as we all know but there are a few survivors.
I think if you track Robb's will it ends up in the same place as anything interesting about the Starks (e.g. Ned's body and information about R+L=J): stuck on Howland's moving castle.
Yea but in the book world, the Lannisters and the Tyrells would just laugh if this guy actually had the audacity to claim the throne.
Being acknowledged isn't the same as being legitimized.
CitizenVectron
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So apparently the HBO show site says in Stannis' biography that he died at the hands of Brienne outside Winterfell.
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