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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6 Offseason Thread
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kylecoley182
Banned
so if he is dead
R+L=J = no?
He's not dead. Well I mean he is, but he's coming back. Hell this season more than any other they hinted at R+L=J.
If you think about it, this entire series probably wouldn't have happened if Rhaegar had twenty good men at the trident. Or if he feasted on oysters, clams, and cockles before the battle. Or if Elia had a bad pussy.
Dual Blade
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Robb was not a "nobody". He was "hope" for the Starks who had won every battle he faced but screwed up in the political side of war. We saw/read him screw up in a few very key situations that sadly spelled his end.
Jon has had so much build up for the future that you should kind of expect GRRM to throw a curve ball some time soon. Whether or not that was his apparent "death" remains to be seen.
Robb's death has consequences. Jon Snow's death (if it's a death) should have them too.
Otherwise, fuck GRRM.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Personally the scenario I'd hope for is Jon coming back as a darker character. Nothing Martin has written suggests he's interested in a story about a hero being revived to save mankind or marry a queen or become a king etc. That's not ASOIAF. There has not be something more to this.
I want to see someone rally the north, and yea I would have liked for Jon to do it...but what's the point of killing him if he's going to simply be revived and do the same thing he would have done if he hadn't died? He has to have died for a reason, and not just so he can be freed from his vows.
I'd rather see Jon get revived and go north (Lands Beyond Winter) than south (Winterfell).
I want to see someone rally the north, and yea I would have liked for Jon to do it...but what's the point of killing him if he's going to simply be revived and do the same thing he would have done if he hadn't died? He has to have died for a reason, and not just so he can be freed from his vows.
I'd rather see Jon get revived and go north (Lands Beyond Winter) than south (Winterfell).
Well they cut his head off. Either he's dead or he ain't happy.
Also, Jon (unlike Robb) has unfinished business, not just a rebellion, which is foolish.
They sewed grey wind's head on to Robb's body, wasn't ambiguous at all. (it's mentioned in the book, and wasn't it even show in a short scene in the series?
Chance Hale
Member
I remember that being a lot more disturbing than the picture I had in my head from the book, lol.
So...if it's possible, I'd like to do a list of your top 10 best and worst scenes this season. I know the vibe has been generally negative, but humor me.
Let's get the worst out of the way first, because that's easiest.
1) The Sand Snakes fighting Jaime Lannister and Bronn. No tension, horrible choreography, stupid ending. Utterly pointless.
2) "You want a good girl, but you need a bad pussy. If this show gets better, surely it can't get worse than this."
3) The gladiator contest in the arena. To what end are these combatants fighting? Is there a bracket? Why does the big man fight the small man, and then Jorah gets a free for all? Is it like the WWE? Why are Tyrion, Dany, Hizdahr, and Daario having this weird conversation?
4) The destruction of Stannis' camp. Why are they igniting it this way? Where did the fire come from? How did they know how to destroy every last bit of Stannis' supplies and siege weapons. Ramsay is the prince who was promised. May his 20 good men reign for all time.
5) Shireen's burning and more misery for Stannis. Why would Stannis who has shown a lack of faith in the red woman to this point suddenly decide to put 100% of his faith in this woman? They didn't guide him logically to this conclusion. I like that his men deserted him, because I would have deserted him too, but where do they go? The Boltons would have flayed alive any defectors. The actual burning of Shireen was a finely acted scene though, with great performances from all involved.
6) Loras and Margaery's trial. He has a birth mark! Let's get him! Help me Tommen! I'm your queen! Stop acting like you are playing the character of a 6 year old boy. Margaery, you can command the army too.
7) The introduction to the sand snakes,and Mr. Scorpion/Spear on Head. You should have chosen your mother's tears.
8) Littlefinger convincing Sansa to wed Ramsay Bolton. "Avenge your family. You've been running your whole life. I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about. Leave the safety and comfort of the Vale for what would have surely been a life of privilege.
9) Ramsay raping Sansa because why not? I mean she married him for no reason. He may as well torture her for no reason as though she or anyone she knows has wronged him. She should definitely exist as a torture victim rather than a wife who is oblivious to her husband's craziness.
10) Arya spying on Meryn Trant. Let's just walk around and follow this man who may well know exactly who you are, and could easily abduct you and take you back to King's Landing for a quick execution. Stare right at him. That's it. Oysters, clams, and cockles. Not that I'm complaining, because I was really impressed with the whole of the Braavos plot aside from this.
Now the Best Scenes of the Season
1) Jon Snow fighting against the whitewalker and the aftermath of Hardhome. This is the most impressively produced thing I've ever seen on Game of Thrones. It easily rivals the Battle of the Blackwater for sheer action and impact, and really hammers home the desperation and hopelessness of the whole expedition. Just first rate. Best episode of the season for a reason.
2) Cersei's walk of shame. Say what you want about shoddy CG work, but this was done excellently. Lena Headey has taken her character to a new level with this scene and those in the dungeon cells. She should win an Emmy for her work this season.
3) Stephen Dillane's final scenes after he realizes his army will soon be feeding the worms. Stoic as ever, but brave and fraught with regret and an undying sense of duty to his men. This show may not have ever shown him as a brilliant commander, but Dillane won me over as a performer this season.
4) The High Sparrow revealing his true purpose for Cersei, hell I'll just include every scene involving Jonathan Price. He really took a character who appeared meek and humble at the beginning to something absolutely frightening. If D&D fell short of showing why religion should not govern a state, Price gave it a good shot.
5) Jon Snow's death. I know it's not exactly like it happened in the books, or even for the same reasons it happened in the books, but it was simply heartbreaking. You could see that Jon Snow put his unyielding trust in these men, and when he turned around he knew what was coming.
6) Theon giving away Sansa at the wedding. This whole scene is beautifully filmed and as I've said before, Alfie Allen takes the most deplorable situations and elevates them to high art with his acting. Without him, I don't think I could have stomached the Winterfelll plot.
7) Maester Aemon's death and burning. They didn't do a whole lot with this, but they really didn't have to. What a graceful end for such a sweet character.
8) Tyrion and Jorah rowing through the ruins of Valyria. I thought that was a great piece of "less is more" filming. Keep in mind I'm not referring to the stone men scene, which just missed the cut for the other list.
9) Arya's scenes in the House of Black and White. Learning about the faces, learning about how to play the game of faces, all first rate work from the actors.
10) Stannis showing a rare moment of tenderness with his daughter. Horrifying and ironic considering what he does to her later, but I love that scene.
Let's get the worst out of the way first, because that's easiest.
1) The Sand Snakes fighting Jaime Lannister and Bronn. No tension, horrible choreography, stupid ending. Utterly pointless.
2) "You want a good girl, but you need a bad pussy. If this show gets better, surely it can't get worse than this."
3) The gladiator contest in the arena. To what end are these combatants fighting? Is there a bracket? Why does the big man fight the small man, and then Jorah gets a free for all? Is it like the WWE? Why are Tyrion, Dany, Hizdahr, and Daario having this weird conversation?
4) The destruction of Stannis' camp. Why are they igniting it this way? Where did the fire come from? How did they know how to destroy every last bit of Stannis' supplies and siege weapons. Ramsay is the prince who was promised. May his 20 good men reign for all time.
5) Shireen's burning and more misery for Stannis. Why would Stannis who has shown a lack of faith in the red woman to this point suddenly decide to put 100% of his faith in this woman? They didn't guide him logically to this conclusion. I like that his men deserted him, because I would have deserted him too, but where do they go? The Boltons would have flayed alive any defectors. The actual burning of Shireen was a finely acted scene though, with great performances from all involved.
6) Loras and Margaery's trial. He has a birth mark! Let's get him! Help me Tommen! I'm your queen! Stop acting like you are playing the character of a 6 year old boy. Margaery, you can command the army too.
7) The introduction to the sand snakes,and Mr. Scorpion/Spear on Head. You should have chosen your mother's tears.
8) Littlefinger convincing Sansa to wed Ramsay Bolton. "Avenge your family. You've been running your whole life. I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about. Leave the safety and comfort of the Vale for what would have surely been a life of privilege.
9) Ramsay raping Sansa because why not? I mean she married him for no reason. He may as well torture her for no reason as though she or anyone she knows has wronged him. She should definitely exist as a torture victim rather than a wife who is oblivious to her husband's craziness.
10) Arya spying on Meryn Trant. Let's just walk around and follow this man who may well know exactly who you are, and could easily abduct you and take you back to King's Landing for a quick execution. Stare right at him. That's it. Oysters, clams, and cockles. Not that I'm complaining, because I was really impressed with the whole of the Braavos plot aside from this.
Now the Best Scenes of the Season
1) Jon Snow fighting against the whitewalker and the aftermath of Hardhome. This is the most impressively produced thing I've ever seen on Game of Thrones. It easily rivals the Battle of the Blackwater for sheer action and impact, and really hammers home the desperation and hopelessness of the whole expedition. Just first rate. Best episode of the season for a reason.
2) Cersei's walk of shame. Say what you want about shoddy CG work, but this was done excellently. Lena Headey has taken her character to a new level with this scene and those in the dungeon cells. She should win an Emmy for her work this season.
3) Stephen Dillane's final scenes after he realizes his army will soon be feeding the worms. Stoic as ever, but brave and fraught with regret and an undying sense of duty to his men. This show may not have ever shown him as a brilliant commander, but Dillane won me over as a performer this season.
4) The High Sparrow revealing his true purpose for Cersei, hell I'll just include every scene involving Jonathan Price. He really took a character who appeared meek and humble at the beginning to something absolutely frightening. If D&D fell short of showing why religion should not govern a state, Price gave it a good shot.
5) Jon Snow's death. I know it's not exactly like it happened in the books, or even for the same reasons it happened in the books, but it was simply heartbreaking. You could see that Jon Snow put his unyielding trust in these men, and when he turned around he knew what was coming.
6) Theon giving away Sansa at the wedding. This whole scene is beautifully filmed and as I've said before, Alfie Allen takes the most deplorable situations and elevates them to high art with his acting. Without him, I don't think I could have stomached the Winterfelll plot.
7) Maester Aemon's death and burning. They didn't do a whole lot with this, but they really didn't have to. What a graceful end for such a sweet character.
8) Tyrion and Jorah rowing through the ruins of Valyria. I thought that was a great piece of "less is more" filming. Keep in mind I'm not referring to the stone men scene, which just missed the cut for the other list.
9) Arya's scenes in the House of Black and White. Learning about the faces, learning about how to play the game of faces, all first rate work from the actors.
10) Stannis showing a rare moment of tenderness with his daughter. Horrifying and ironic considering what he does to her later, but I love that scene.
Yeah, but that wasn't even until the next episode. People were immediately wondering if Jon really died seconds after it happened and today even show-only watchers are skeptical. This goes to show that the decision to pretend it was a definitive death is a bit flimsy. It would have been better to hint that he's coming back as opposed to just pretending he's permadead.
Kind of the same thing with Show Stannis. I think he's dead, but there are a lot of people who assume he could be alive. It's weird that they would film the guy who is definitely dead in a more ambiguous way than the guy who is definitely not (perma)dead.
Moff
Member
people say there was more build up to jons ressurrection in the books, well apparently I didn't get that. but I knew immediately that jon is certainly not dead. it simply would serve no purpose, everything at and north of the wall would have been for nothing, that's why people don't believe it. unlike robb where his death served a lot of purpose and hat a lot of consequences for the realm.
in the books it might have helped though that GRRM tried a few dumb fake deaths before, I am thinking of drowning tyrion and arya getting an axe at the twins, at least the show spared us those.
I'll try...
Worst scenes:
Gilly nearly being raped and then offering sex as a reward. Sam breaking his damn vows right at the Wall without hesitation. No fat pink mast. Jon high-fiving him later.
Everything involving Sansa going to the Winterfell and Littlefinger. Awful through and through.
Everything involving Brienne staring at the tower. Nothing to add here.
Everything involving Loras, the trial and the Faith, barring Jonathan Prices excellent performance. Even with all the exits last season it still houses the best actors and some interesting characters. Too bad it felt rushed and everything looked cheap.
Everything involving Dorne. That slapping scene...
Ramsay Bolton. Tired of this cartoon character getting so much screen time. They should have kept his backstory and the brother killing stuff.
Olly.
Jons death. It was lame. They couldn't build up the scene just a little bit?
Best scenes:
Hardhome. This is tv?!
Walk of shame. I knew this would be Lena Heady's season. She got shortchanged a bit with regards to screentime, but she was great either way.
Shireens burning. (I thought it was dark as hell and well acted, story issues aside.)
Dany and Tyrion meeting. Emilia Clarke is somehow better than usual here. I wonder why.
Arya. There were some dumb scenes, but overall I was surprised at how much effort was put into her storyline.
Me too. It's because when you haven't seen anything like it before, your brain automatically makes it look "right" in your head, so the head fits gracefully on Robb's body.
But in reality, it's not natural and doesn't look right at all, so we end up with the monstrosity we saw on the show. I love that they did it like that.
Stallion Dan
Member
It isn't against the vows to have sex. No marriage or children allowed, but nothing about sex.
Pretty sure it is mentioned and well known many brothers sneak off to mole-town to get their end away.
Best scenes:
+Hardhome
+The Walk
+Fetch me a block/Bring me my sword with THE NOD
+Stannis' Jon Stark proposal
+High Sparrow arresting Cersei
+Waif lying to Arya
+Tyrion and Dany trying to one up each other's snarkiness (winner: Tyrion)
+Mel was naked again
Worst scenes:
-Literally everything in Dorne except Doran saying "Do that again and see what happens" and Hotah telling everyone to shut the fuck up
-TWENTY. GOOD. MEN
-All Stannis scenes after episode 8.
-Barristan dying. Ok this scene was actually kind of cool because we saw Barristan destroy a dozen people but the end result was awful.
-LF not knowing anything about Ramsay. ISN'T THAT YOUR ENTIRE GIMMICK THAT YOU KNOW EVERYTHING GOD WHY
-Random shots of Brienne staring at towers
I disliked how they completely pushed Roose to the side. Uh, he killed Robb Stark right? Stabbed him in the heart? WE ALL REMEMBER THIS RIGHT? Yet they have spent so much time building up Ramsay to be the main villain. Roose has had some good scenes this season, but I would like to see more interactions with him and Ramsay, or at least people giving a damn about what Roose is doing. The Roose is loose and no one cares.
+Hardhome
+The Walk
+Fetch me a block/Bring me my sword with THE NOD
+Stannis' Jon Stark proposal
+High Sparrow arresting Cersei
+Waif lying to Arya
+Tyrion and Dany trying to one up each other's snarkiness (winner: Tyrion)
+Mel was naked again
Worst scenes:
-Literally everything in Dorne except Doran saying "Do that again and see what happens" and Hotah telling everyone to shut the fuck up
-TWENTY. GOOD. MEN
-All Stannis scenes after episode 8.
-Barristan dying. Ok this scene was actually kind of cool because we saw Barristan destroy a dozen people but the end result was awful.
-LF not knowing anything about Ramsay. ISN'T THAT YOUR ENTIRE GIMMICK THAT YOU KNOW EVERYTHING GOD WHY
-Random shots of Brienne staring at towers
I disliked how they completely pushed Roose to the side. Uh, he killed Robb Stark right? Stabbed him in the heart? WE ALL REMEMBER THIS RIGHT? Yet they have spent so much time building up Ramsay to be the main villain. Roose has had some good scenes this season, but I would like to see more interactions with him and Ramsay, or at least people giving a damn about what Roose is doing. The Roose is loose and no one cares.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I don't get the 20 good men hate. They're good. It's in the name. It wasn't 20 average/above average men.
cartoon_soldier
Member
You guys don't get it.
It's not about the 20 good men.
But the ONE man leading them.
It's not about the 20 good men.
But the ONE man leading them.
Ape Gone Insane
Member
Show needs 20 good writers.
Cornballer
Member
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Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Oysters, keks, and rofls.
As much as everyone hates Dany...
Good:
Dany riding a freaking dragon.
Special mention Hardhome and Arya's arc.
Bad:
Everything else.
Basically I just like fantasy. Political intrigue is nice but was practically nonexistant this season, littlefinger and varys barely appeared, Dorne, Boltons taking the north and the Sparrows were done pretty bad, even when the actors are so good, those stories simply made no sense.
Good:
Dany riding a freaking dragon.
Special mention Hardhome and Arya's arc.
Bad:
Everything else.
Basically I just like fantasy. Political intrigue is nice but was practically nonexistant this season, littlefinger and varys barely appeared, Dorne, Boltons taking the north and the Sparrows were done pretty bad, even when the actors are so good, those stories simply made no sense.
cartoon_soldier
Member
Guesses?
Legendary Fighter: A man in his thirties or forties who is a great swordsman and a paragon of knighthood. He carries a famous sword. We are looking for the best swordsman in Europe to play this part. The show is seeking a very impressive swordsman for the role- the best in Europe, for a week of filming fight scenes for a season 6 role. His ethnicity/race isn’t specified, unlike many other roles.
Lord of Noble Northern House (Casting age anywhere between 25-50) The lord is a savage warrior, and he rules a distinguished house in the very far North, and the role is said to be an impactful one. He’s described as a massive bear of a man with a beard and temper to match, and hatred that run deep,” and he can be violent. The show’s looking for someone with a powerful physique who can tower over other cast members, a Northern English Accent and specifies he has to be at least 180 cm tall. The role will be on 2 episodes.
Lord of Northern Stronghold: The show’s looking for an actor in his late thirties or forties to play another lord, one that’s ruthless and calculating. The frightening lord rules a vassal household with a castle stronghold. He’ll be in 3 episodes this year, with 20 days of filming this summer and fall.
It's almost sounding like:
D&D basically did this season while keeping some actors intact to hope next book is out before S6 and they can do more fuller story line for Northern revenge plot
Casting news:
so these 3 here:
Rant:
so these 3 here:
Lachlan: Hes the big leader of a group of renegades who have turned on the land that they swore to protect. Theyre now extorting the poor and vulnerable. He appears in 2 episodes in season 6
Flynn: Hes part of an outlaw band. The group is using religion to justify terrorizing and extorting what they need from the people of the countryside. He appears in 2 episodes in season 6. He appears to be part of Lachlans band.
Japeth: Another member of the outlaw band is this lieutenant. Hes a rough-and-ready type with a strong physical presence, also appearing two episodes.
Flynn: Hes part of an outlaw band. The group is using religion to justify terrorizing and extorting what they need from the people of the countryside. He appears in 2 episodes in season 6. He appears to be part of Lachlans band.
Japeth: Another member of the outlaw band is this lieutenant. Hes a rough-and-ready type with a strong physical presence, also appearing two episodes.
Rant:
So we are getting a group of renegades, doing renegade things.
WHY couldnt this be done with the BWB? Did Thoros burn down D&D's house or why are they casting a new group when we have the BWB. The BWB can do whatever it is they try to do with the renegades.
WHY couldnt this be done with the BWB? Did Thoros burn down D&D's house or why are they casting a new group when we have the BWB. The BWB can do whatever it is they try to do with the renegades.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Because lady stoneheart
graffix13
Member
So what if S6 opens with The Watch burning Jon's body to ash? Because D&D is wanting to put any rumors/speculation that Jon will be rezzed to rest quickly. That would be that....as they say.
It's the least D&D could do, rather than have people waiting on the hope that he will return. Just address it in Episode 1 and don't string people along.
It's the least D&D could do, rather than have people waiting on the hope that he will return. Just address it in Episode 1 and don't string people along.
eot
Banned
then they should have done it in Season 5
cartoon_soldier
Member
Veritigo_X
Member
One thing I noticed was they didn't show Stannis die. There is no speculation here that he might have been shown mercy, but I'm guessing people know more than the TV showed.. which is sadHopefully I'm wrong.
There is speculation in this thread about Stannis still being alive. If he's actually dead they did a really shitty job going about it.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Oh Shit!! "Promise me Ned! Promise me!" "His name... Jon" *smash to Jon on a Pyre and then Melisandre appears.*
Then cut to Dany talking about her brother Rhaegar.
I didn't see a body... well we did but he could still come back?
Enosh
Member
casting spoilers:
He is described as girlish, with soft hands, soft cheeks and long brown curled hair. Victarion Greyjoy estimates him to be about 22-years-old in 300 AC.
omg we might be getting Victarion! or him and Euron might be combined into one
edit: hmm comments saying it might be that maester that is part when they "kill davos" which also makes sense if they ship of davos now that stannis is dead to do the whole plot he should have been doing all this time anyway
Maester Kerwin is a maester of the Citadel. He is currently forced to serve Victarion Greyjoy.
He is described as girlish, with soft hands, soft cheeks and long brown curled hair. Victarion Greyjoy estimates him to be about 22-years-old in 300 AC.
omg we might be getting Victarion! or him and Euron might be combined into one
edit: hmm comments saying it might be that maester that is part when they "kill davos" which also makes sense if they ship of davos now that stannis is dead to do the whole plot he should have been doing all this time anyway
I could see Jon being "darker" if he's just revived by Melisandre. In the books, however, I think with warging first into Ghost will allow to retain some of his prior self.
Also that picture of Robb with Grey Wind's head got me thinking what would be really nice is if we actually got Nymeria (controlled by Arya) and her wolf pack running into the BWB and Stoneheart and actually somewhat joining up to take out the Frey's pretty gruesome like. Maybe crazy, but it was a nice thought I had, cause you know "A Time for Wolves" and everything.
Arthur Dayne, GreatJon, probably not Manderly but I would love for that to be the case
Do we really have to spoiler tag casting info? Who here is honestly going into S6 blind? WHO?
Qhogo and Ahkat: Random dothrakis. We have no idea where the Dothraki storyline is going so can't really say that much.
Outlaw band guys: Brotherhood without Banners is the first thing that comes to mind. It notes that they have "turned on the land they have sworn to protect" and that they use religion as their MO. I wonder if this is some offshoot of the group since they apparently have an uncast leader. I'm not sure which main character they would interact with though unless Brienne starts dicking around the countryside.
Legendary fighter: SER ARTHUR DAYNE THE SWORD OF THE MORNING. Paragon of knighthood? Famous sword? Could it possibly be anyone else? A Tower of Joy flashback would be incredible, but then you have to cast a young Ned too. No mention of other characters associated with that scene like the other Kingsguard and Howland Reed.
Lord of Noble Northern House/Northern Stronghold: Hmm. The first one seems like it could be Greatjon Umber, but it would be disappointing if they recast him since I liked the actor from S1. As for the second one, maybe Manderly? I wouldn't really considering him "frightening" though he is calculating for sure. THE GNC LIVES
Hunter: Maybe some dude looking for Sansa and Theon
Submissive maester: Pate? Could be just some random maester at the Citadel. Only one episode so maybe not important.
Housemaid: Hell if I know, could be anyone. They need an Irish accent so maybe she's someone in the North.
Father: Random northern lord.
The most interesting parts are the Neo BWB and Arthur Dayne. A tower of joy flashblack... DON'T FUCK IT UP D&D
Outlaw band guys: Brotherhood without Banners is the first thing that comes to mind. It notes that they have "turned on the land they have sworn to protect" and that they use religion as their MO. I wonder if this is some offshoot of the group since they apparently have an uncast leader. I'm not sure which main character they would interact with though unless Brienne starts dicking around the countryside.
Legendary fighter: SER ARTHUR DAYNE THE SWORD OF THE MORNING. Paragon of knighthood? Famous sword? Could it possibly be anyone else? A Tower of Joy flashback would be incredible, but then you have to cast a young Ned too. No mention of other characters associated with that scene like the other Kingsguard and Howland Reed.
Lord of Noble Northern House/Northern Stronghold: Hmm. The first one seems like it could be Greatjon Umber, but it would be disappointing if they recast him since I liked the actor from S1. As for the second one, maybe Manderly? I wouldn't really considering him "frightening" though he is calculating for sure. THE GNC LIVES
Hunter: Maybe some dude looking for Sansa and Theon
Submissive maester: Pate? Could be just some random maester at the Citadel. Only one episode so maybe not important.
Housemaid: Hell if I know, could be anyone. They need an Irish accent so maybe she's someone in the North.
Father: Random northern lord.
The most interesting parts are the Neo BWB and Arthur Dayne. A tower of joy flashblack... DON'T FUCK IT UP D&D
Cornballer
Member
Yes. Unless it's a known quantity from the books that have been released, please use tags.
I'm sure your wrong but if you arent, why did Jon and Sam feel like shit in the books after they had sex?
Top ten of the season:
1. Hardhome battle. Having this play out on screen was one of their smarter changes of the season.
2. Janos Slynt execution. They can still nail book moments when they want to.
3. Cersei's walk. Completely harrowing.
4. Sandra's wedding (NOT the wedding night). The godswood was really beautiful for this scene.
5. Daznak's Pit. Ok, so the CGI wasn't great, and Dany's plot was greatly simplified without the Shavepate stuff, but I think that the conversation between Dany/Hizdahr/Tyrion/Daario in their box did a great job of capturing the themes of that plot.
6. Arya's murder of Trant. Super brutal.
7. The Hall of Faces. Really creepy and surreal.
8. Tyrion's plot in general. This is the one story that really benefited from the cuts.
9. Jon and Tormund's relationship. They really needed to sell this in a very short period of time to make the wildling plot work, and they did it.
10. Stannis and Shireen scene. Loses points for being completely subverted a few episodes later.
Worst parts:
1. The Dornish plot. Zero characterization, constant cheesiness, and motives that made every character seem crazy. Then at the end, we get the dramatic surrender of Ellaria to Doran, followed immediately by the poisoning. Somehow Doran didn't take any precautions against this, Ellaria is signing her own death warrant, and Trystane is basically now hostage. Don't get it at all.
2. Stannis' last two episodes. Makes it really clear that the first five episodes were really about building him up just so it would be more shocking when the heel turn came. Inconsistent characterization, underwhelming anti-climax, and a pretty naked attempt to just end a plot line they didn't terribly care about early.
3. Sansa's whole season. Sansa in Winterfell could have been great, but they turned her into a constant abuse victim, culminating in a rape scene that I can't believe no one in the writer's room tried to nix.
4. The infallible Ramsay. We've been over this to death, but the man just cannot lose. Book Ramsay was scary because of his cruelty, but he never felt like an above average human being in any way.
5. Barristan's death. Felt cheap, and just a way to drop an actor off the payroll. Wouldn't have been so bad if they had ever actually used him before this.
6. Mance. Ok, so Mance's death scene is actually great and fitting, but it makes seasons 3 and 4's neglect of that character way, way worse. Really sad to see him never really used.
7. The general lack of hope. No real Northern resistance to the Boltons, no hints that the Freys are in any danger, makes the whole season way more oppressive and depressing than it needed to be.
8. The Faith Militant. More needed to be done to establish why the people would get behind this band of loonies. Every scene we get of the commoners they're drinking and whoring, but for some reason embrace a bunch of puritans? I think some setup for this in season 4 could have gone a long way.
9. For the Watch. Dropping Jon's plan to attack the Bolton's changes this completely. Now it's yet another story about those damn, dirty watchmen doing damn, dirty things because they're all a bunch of bigots. And why did Alisser open the gate if he was going to do this? And now Jon gets to die flawlessly noble, rather than as a guy who really did break his vows. All shades of gray stripped out of it.
10. Sidelining Brienne all season, and then trying to justify it by letting her stumble in to killing Stannis.
1. Hardhome battle. Having this play out on screen was one of their smarter changes of the season.
2. Janos Slynt execution. They can still nail book moments when they want to.
3. Cersei's walk. Completely harrowing.
4. Sandra's wedding (NOT the wedding night). The godswood was really beautiful for this scene.
5. Daznak's Pit. Ok, so the CGI wasn't great, and Dany's plot was greatly simplified without the Shavepate stuff, but I think that the conversation between Dany/Hizdahr/Tyrion/Daario in their box did a great job of capturing the themes of that plot.
6. Arya's murder of Trant. Super brutal.
7. The Hall of Faces. Really creepy and surreal.
8. Tyrion's plot in general. This is the one story that really benefited from the cuts.
9. Jon and Tormund's relationship. They really needed to sell this in a very short period of time to make the wildling plot work, and they did it.
10. Stannis and Shireen scene. Loses points for being completely subverted a few episodes later.
Worst parts:
1. The Dornish plot. Zero characterization, constant cheesiness, and motives that made every character seem crazy. Then at the end, we get the dramatic surrender of Ellaria to Doran, followed immediately by the poisoning. Somehow Doran didn't take any precautions against this, Ellaria is signing her own death warrant, and Trystane is basically now hostage. Don't get it at all.
2. Stannis' last two episodes. Makes it really clear that the first five episodes were really about building him up just so it would be more shocking when the heel turn came. Inconsistent characterization, underwhelming anti-climax, and a pretty naked attempt to just end a plot line they didn't terribly care about early.
3. Sansa's whole season. Sansa in Winterfell could have been great, but they turned her into a constant abuse victim, culminating in a rape scene that I can't believe no one in the writer's room tried to nix.
4. The infallible Ramsay. We've been over this to death, but the man just cannot lose. Book Ramsay was scary because of his cruelty, but he never felt like an above average human being in any way.
5. Barristan's death. Felt cheap, and just a way to drop an actor off the payroll. Wouldn't have been so bad if they had ever actually used him before this.
6. Mance. Ok, so Mance's death scene is actually great and fitting, but it makes seasons 3 and 4's neglect of that character way, way worse. Really sad to see him never really used.
7. The general lack of hope. No real Northern resistance to the Boltons, no hints that the Freys are in any danger, makes the whole season way more oppressive and depressing than it needed to be.
8. The Faith Militant. More needed to be done to establish why the people would get behind this band of loonies. Every scene we get of the commoners they're drinking and whoring, but for some reason embrace a bunch of puritans? I think some setup for this in season 4 could have gone a long way.
9. For the Watch. Dropping Jon's plan to attack the Bolton's changes this completely. Now it's yet another story about those damn, dirty watchmen doing damn, dirty things because they're all a bunch of bigots. And why did Alisser open the gate if he was going to do this? And now Jon gets to die flawlessly noble, rather than as a guy who really did break his vows. All shades of gray stripped out of it.
10. Sidelining Brienne all season, and then trying to justify it by letting her stumble in to killing Stannis.
Ooh the body double was in the same theatre group as me, I haven't met her but we have mutual friends, one of whom mentioned her landing a role on thrones but didn't know what the role was...
RukusProvider
Banned
What if it's melsiandres life being sacrificed to bring Jon back?
Melisandre tells Davos what happened. He kills her which brings Jon back. Could work.
With Davos finding out, he's going to take it lightly and in the show Melisandre has no personally army around her.
Melisandre tells Davos what happened. He kills her which brings Jon back. Could work.
With Davos finding out, he's going to take it lightly and in the show Melisandre has no personally army around her.
Nazgul_Hunter
Member
It just hit me that the whole point of Bronn getting poisoned and the antidote in jail was to set up the fact that there's a slow acting poison that has an antidote. Which then kills Myrcella.
I have defended the Dorne plot being bad as a necessary evil to move certain events forward but that's just super unnecessary. Poisons with antidote are one of the most overused tropes and they certainly don't need a multi episode arc to be set up. Especially when poison had already been established as the Dornish MO
I have defended the Dorne plot being bad as a necessary evil to move certain events forward but that's just super unnecessary. Poisons with antidote are one of the most overused tropes and they certainly don't need a multi episode arc to be set up. Especially when poison had already been established as the Dornish MO
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Greatjon
Big Bucket Wull
What was on screen was well done and got the characters down, but I really missed the book setup of going from hanging to the sword. Presented as he might have actually changed his mind and give mercy, but actually he just realizes he should do it the family way.
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