CornBurrito
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Hodor is like... mentally handicapped. No way he fully understood he had to sacrifice himself for the greater good.
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Hodor is like... mentally handicapped. No way he fully understood he had to sacrifice himself for the greater good.
DeadOnions
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It wouldn't be for the greater good it would be for Bran.
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Atraveller
Banned
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gonna talk to my girlfriend about buying this
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That's a good size.
He made a mistake. Hodor was shaking and crying in a corner. Then Bran whilst in the past looks at Hodor and wargs into him in the future. Future Hodor's eyes went white and he immediately gets up etc.
It is Bran controlling him by looking at the past Hodor etc. This created some fucked up link where Meera's words are heard by young Hodor even though she is shouting it at future Hodor etc. Who knows exactly what Bran did. But Hodor did save Bran and Meera. That will be evident next week when we see they get away and got rescued. He bought them enough time. He held that door.
CornBurrito
Member
That's still above and beyond the mental capacity of someone like Hodor.
The way he's been depicted this season, I'm not so sure of that. It seems like he's fully there, just not able to speak.
He's opened up considerably since people started talking to him as if he were a regular adult this season.
Again you are saying Bran can have two fully functioning consciousness, and we saw how distressed he was while he watched Hodor having a seizure, you are saying basically that Bran is doctor Manhattan....
Nope, I don't see it.
Oh please hodor is not a doormat (pun totally intended), he cares for Bran, we know this, and he takes plenty of decisions on his own, he enters in shock with any kind of violence for reasons we now know, but that doesnt mean he will not defend Bran when he can, his sacrifice was totally non violent.
toddhunter
Member
He already knew he held the door. I think he was just being polite and building up the suspense,
Cornballer
Member
A bunch of interviews from today:
- LA Times with Sophie Turner
- ScreenCrush with Kristofer Hivju
Hodor: (I assume this was a conference call and there's significant overlap between these)
- Sepinwall
- THR
- NY Times
- EW
- IGN
- LA Times with Sophie Turner
- ScreenCrush with Kristofer Hivju
Hodor: (I assume this was a conference call and there's significant overlap between these)
- Sepinwall
- THR
- NY Times
- EW
- IGN
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
You underestimate the intellectually disabled. Let alone a fictional one who can also survive in the North for months on end.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Has anyone mentioned that the spiral of stones on the overhead shot of the Isle of Faces is very similar to the pattern of bodies the White Walkers laid out in Season 3?
It really isnt. If he can understand orders and peoples emotions, he can understand he needs to help save them. Your assumption is frankly insulting to mentally handicapped people. Just because hes slow doesnt mean hes worthless or completely incompetent.
Has anyone mentioned that the spiral of stones on the overhead shot of the Isle of Faces is very similar to the pattern of bodies the White Walkers laid out in Season 3?
Yeah. The inside the episode for the most recent episode states that the White Walkers mimic the patterns that the Children of the Forest used in their magic rituals.
Wait, were they at the Isle of Faces this week? I thought they were at the Heart of Winter.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Oh was it? I dunno, I just kind of assumed it was, for some reason. I had the impression that there were a lot of weirwood trees, but I might have just made that up in my head.
Edit: Also, I assumed that the Children of the Forest started to get desperate around the time the First Men started to push back that far north. So perhaps the creation of the White Walkers was one attempt, and then the smashing of The Neck was another attempt after that.
Or something.
Falcs
Banned
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Sorry, I just had to. I haven't been able to stop thinking about this scene since I watched it. I put this scene up there with Ned Stark's death, and the Red Wedding. It was just so damn powerful.
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Sorry, I just had to. I haven't been able to stop thinking about this scene since I watched it. I put this scene up there with Ned Stark's death, and the Red Wedding. It was just so damn powerful.
Great point.
According to GRRM via World of Ice and Fire, the first contact between men and children of the forest occurred 12000-8000 years prior to Aegon's conquest.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I honestly don't know. I thought it was The Heart of Winter because, when Bran has his second vision, there's an army of wights standing around those stones. I just figured that was their homebase.
Citizen_Insane
Member
Just finished watching the episode right now. It really was as bad as those deaths. I'm so sad.
I'm fully expecting uncle Benjen to show up next week. Who else could possibly save them since Coldhands doesn't exist in the show? Fuck, I really have no idea where Bran's story could be going.
I mean, they give a ballpark figure showing the uncertainty. It's their current best estimation based on all of the information they have.
They obviously don't have carbon dating, so you're not going to get a precise number. But it can be assumed that the ballpark range is fairly accurate. It's not like they're going to be so inaccurate that they're 10,000 years off and the age of the First Men crossing into Westeros happened 2000 years before Aegon's Conquest or something.
Orochinagis
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Poor Hodor, completely screwed to die since his childhood
Didnt the walkers do something similar on the very first episode?
Did all the rock plant ladies died? =(
Didnt the walkers do something similar on the very first episode?
Did all the rock plant ladies died? =(
Aren't we all?
It's like you completely missed that Bran warged into future Hodor whilst in the vision and that Meera's words to Bran and Future Hodor also fucked him up while Bran was staring at him in the past. Bran basically warged into future Hodor and then sacrificed him to hold the door. I paused it right at the second Bran took control and Hodor stopped shaking and crying and got up and took the sleigh down the hall.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I don't think Hodor wasn't warged when holding the door.
re-watch the scene. no white eyes.
He was warged into to get him up and pull the sleigh but we see at the door that it does seem to be Hodor himself, scared, worried and panicking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAoShLmdxDE
As far as I know, Bran doesn't know whats happening outside of his vision when he's in them so he couldn't have known what he was doing.
re-watch the scene. no white eyes.
He was warged into to get him up and pull the sleigh but we see at the door that it does seem to be Hodor himself, scared, worried and panicking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAoShLmdxDE
As far as I know, Bran doesn't know whats happening outside of his vision when he's in them so he couldn't have known what he was doing.
Right but if someone tells him what to do, he understands and clearly grasps the seriousness of the situation. Why else would he stand there as theyre ripping him apart? And he wasnt warged at the time as he clearly watches them run away from him.
CornBurrito
Member
He also doesn't have white eyes when Bran possessed him and snapped that dudes' neck.
So, unless Hodor turned into a killer and then was confused about what he'd just done, it is safe to say that the possessed does not have white eyes throughout.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Started a re-read after this last episode -- I just had to. Two things:
1. Guess who gets the first chapter after the prologue. LOOK!
2. Bran totally time warp warged into that mother wolf to go get south of the wall and get stabbed by the stag to try and warn the whole family, didn't he?
1. Guess who gets the first chapter after the prologue. LOOK!
2. Bran totally time warp warged into that mother wolf to go get south of the wall and get stabbed by the stag to try and warn the whole family, didn't he?
I love that this is even a possibility.
It's like you completely missed that Bran warged into future Hodor whilst in the vision and that Meera's words to Bran and Future Hodor also fucked him up while Bran was staring at him in the past. Bran basically warged into future Hodor and then sacrificed him to hold the door. I paused it right at the second Bran took control and Hodor stopped shaking and crying and got up and took the sleigh down the hall.
Yes, this is the "slap a horse" start that the actor is talking about.
Afterwards his conscious goes back to the past, we know this because we literally see it, he is still experiencing the past completely oblivious to what's happening in the present, but what he did connected past and current hodor mentally, and causes him to collapse and create... well, hodor.
For Bran to be directly responsible his consciousness must split in two and be able to experience two completely different scenarios, both with completely different feelings, and be able to control both with the same "metaconciousness" for lack of a better word, nothing points out to this.
Bran isn't warging into Hodor at this point, Bran made Hodor warg into himself without meaning it and fried his brain, and he has to watch this while being completely helpless about the situation.
biosnake20
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Someone drew an unofficial Beautiful Death that's pretty great.
m_shortpants
Member
......damn. that makes too much sense
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm wondering if this time travel stuff might end up similarly to the themes played out in Babylon 5. Those of you who watched it know what I'm talking about.
Those of you who haven't watched it...go watch it.
Those of you who haven't watched it...go watch it.
Turin Turambar
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You also have to consider the "time loop". He was mentally handicapped because his" past self" was connected to the present, somehow.
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