I rewatched Hardhome, there was near zero actually sword fighting between the two.
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I rewatched Hardhome, there was near zero actually sword fighting between the two.
Sure, but that was my problem. She gets captured by the dothraki, escapes, sees Drogon over a hill and then comes back riding him. What changed?
grandjedi6
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The Tyrells and Mad Queen Cersei. They probably won't be working together at that point but that's not gonna stop Dany the Conqueror from trying to march through the Reach. It's probably why Sam's dad was introduced and why Olenna was sent back to the Reach (well that and to save Diana Rigg from Cersei's wildfire terrorism next episode).
Loved thIs episode but that surround was bullshit. D&d claim they were inspired by the Battle of Cannae, but there you had a numerically superior force pushing the center back, while slowly and unknowingly being enveloped from the flanks.
There's supposed to be a chaotic melee hn the center, but like magic Jon's force is left in the middle, easily surrounded by heavy infantry.
I get that ramsey basically had the initial attacking force slaughtered, but shouldn't the lighter force be more mobile?
There's supposed to be a chaotic melee hn the center, but like magic Jon's force is left in the middle, easily surrounded by heavy infantry.
I get that ramsey basically had the initial attacking force slaughtered, but shouldn't the lighter force be more mobile?
To be fair, Jaime is called the greatest swordsman in Westeros on several occasions and wins zero fights on the show.
Stannis is called the greatest general in Westeros and loses both battles he actually planned to fight.
They actually made Ramsay the little pussy we all knew he was to begin with. We can just erase the shirtless ironborn fight from our memories.
This episode showed the Dany has restraint. She made peace with Osha and only burned one slaver ship. There's no reason to believe now that she'll indiscriminately conquer Westeros without first talking to those in charge to figure out terms of surrender.
It will affect him emotionally.
I shouldn't affect him politically.
He looks nothing like Rhaegar, he has no proof, he'd look like another ambitious bastard, his word is already suspicious as a result of deserting the NW and Ned Stark claimed him as his own.
One of the reasons "Aegon" exists in the books it to forever put to rest that Jon will use his newfound parentage to take the throne.
Aegon has one of Rhaegar's best friends verifying who he is and backing him and "Aegon" actually looks like Rhaegar.
No one is gonna go for Jon being another hidden son of Rhaegar that conveniently showed up after a power vacuum shows up
Anton Sugar
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I guess watching him wait for Ramsay to loose, then running 10 yards perpendicular each time, would have been less dramatic.
Of course, the flawed logic also cheapens the drama, but what ya gonna do?
The likelihood of shooting someone through the heart at that distance is zero, and Ramsay's archers hit him anyway. He wasn't surviving that regardless.
Why would the Tyrells fight Daenerys? With Tommen dead, they have no stake in the game of thrones.
Randyll's probably been introduced to fight Euron at Oldtown.
And Cersei would have a very depleted Lannister army to fight Daenerys.
RandomSeed
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Howland Reed was there at the Tower of Joy. He knows if a baby came out of there or not.
DrForester
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So...
Will Theon and Grey Worm have a heart to heart?
Will Theon and Grey Worm have a heart to heart?
grandjedi6
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At Tyrion's insistence
But I'm sure the show will make up some reason for Olenna to refuse Dany. I imagine Randyll "I hate Wildlings" Tarly and other members of the Reach aren't going to be too pleased at the Dothraki hanging around. Could be as simple as that.
I wonder how they're going to
play the Twins.
There's a reason everyone's gathered there. They don't just have scenes of characters celebrating things.
The easiest thing I can think of is Arya appearing with another face and killing Walder and his sons.
They can't kill everyone there.
There's a reason everyone's gathered there. They don't just have scenes of characters celebrating things.
The easiest thing I can think of is Arya appearing with another face and killing Walder and his sons.
They can't kill everyone there.
Varys will come out and form an all eunuch a capella group.
TENOR,
HIGHER TENOR
HIGHEST TENOR!
They'll believe he's a Targ when Dany captures him and gets one of her dragons to kill him by breathing fire on him. When the survives and jumps on the back of the dragon and flies away it'll be pretty clear
/dream
The fuck have Sam and Wildling girl (10 years of following the series and I still can't remember her name) disappeared to? Sam stole the sword and then they fucked off. Has he even gone to the Citadel? Talking about the Citadel, is the Faceless Man Conspiracy(terrible fan name) going to happen on the show? Why is Jaqen at the Citadel?
Because
they're the only two people in this world, except for the Freys. The Freys are having a party and they dare not refuse.
I'm pretty sure Sansa got the message about Littlefinger being untrustworthy when she saw him throw her aunt out of the moon door. Not Sure Sansa knowing about the specifics of Neds demise (which was his own fault in the show) would change much
I believe it was implied that he was going to try bringing her to the citadel. Stealing his dad's sword seems super idiotic though.
Admiral Woofington
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For some reason I thought he died.
Red Arremer
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So I just learned that Charles Dance's wife name is Joanna.
He was destined to be Tywin, wasn't he?
He was destined to be Tywin, wasn't he?
StopMakingSense
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Yeah, the hit he made defied all sense of possibility. That would be a lucky shot for Legolas. Oh well, fantasy.
Also, Rasmey has the shot and kills Wun Wun instead of John, who's standing right there.
God do I miss Tywin. Now THAT'S a villain.
I had some hope that Kevan *might* be somewhat close like in the books... but yeah, Kevan is no Tywin.
StalkerUKCG
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Howland Reed?
StopMakingSense
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Until Cersei blows him the fuck up.
Lol no. As much as I would like to see Marwyn they aren't adding another thread this late.
StalkerUKCG
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I need the dothraki to come to westeros. NEED
Well if two armies are fighting in close quarters and half of them die, the bodies aren't going anywhere.
The Faceless Men are done. In the books, I assume Jaqen is trying to get his hands on one of the maester's secret books (how to tame dragons?) or procuring a glass candle. On the show, the organization will go down as an inept force that's down to just one remaining member. Oh, and that one guy is a complete idiot.
It's in the High Sparrow's interest to forget about the whole incest thing. He wouldn't want to delegitimize his puppet
Sam is still going to the Citadel. He'll meet with some maesters for sure though I doubt Marwyn will matter. The maester will probably be unnamed on the show but we'll find out from twitter that the actor was really playing Marwyn. Kind of like Lem Lemoncloak or Damphair.
StalkerUKCG
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The director said they extensively researched real, historical battle accounts to base the action in this episode around.
He specifically referenced The Battle of Agincourt and the Battle at Canae.
I thought that was interesting.
He specifically referenced The Battle of Agincourt and the Battle at Canae.
I thought that was interesting.
I think it's the incest between her and her cousin he's talking about personally.
Yeah the big shots where Jon is in the heat of the moment were the coolest things ever put to film.
I'm wondering if the Bolton army's intent was to crush the Starks or just poke them to death.
I think Sam stealing his dad's sword put the brakes on him going to the Citadel. I assume we'll see him back North sooner rather than later.
JuanLatino
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So there has to be a reason why GRRM kept this as a secret all this years (if its really true)
if it doesn't affect him politically, it will have to be connected to the Fight with the White Walkers - maybe him beeing Azor Ahai (Blood of Fire (Targaryen) and Ice (Stark)
Power of Warging and riding Dragons
grandjedi6
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The show hasn't really let characters (not named Gendry) just go away and be in peace. It wouldn't surprise me if Jaqen reappeared in Old Town next season. They need to find someway to kill him off after all.
Westeros in general (except Dorne and the Reach where there wasn't any fighting) was severely depopulated during the series so far. Not just armies from all the kingdoms, especially the North as you pointed out, but the general population particularly in the Riverlands has been reduced heavily from towns and villages being ransacked by Ironborn or deserters or the Brave Companions, etc.
Hell it's still going on in the books and show both, all the marauding and raiding. Couple that with much of the wilding population beyond the Wall falling to the Others and Westeros in a weak state, overall.
Good episode in a vacuum but it's clear time, space and
is being compressed to railroad the show to where it needs to go to wrap up in a timely manner. People showing up in the nick of time, crossing continents in mere days, sailing around the world with nary a concern.
plot
wasn't the first time in GoT, either (and it happened again in LotR, too)
Stannis' attack on KL
Wildling battle at the Wall
I'm getting kinda tired of this trope
That's not really true.
The Vale, Reach and Dorne have been unaffected by the wars so far.
The Riverlands has been wrecked.
The North has been bad in some areas but good in others. Most of the population of the North is on the east coast away from the fighting after all.
The Westerlands should be fine. Robb didn't raze villages to the ground.
The Iron Islands haven't been touched.
The Crownlands didnt send much troops in to help the Lannisters or Stannis. It's just KL that's been devastated.
The Stormlands should be middling. They were the ones that got wrecked at the Battle of Blackwater.
Rewatching the episode now. I love how the camera pans across Baelish and Sansa and Petyr gives his trademark smile, then Sansa looks down on Jon in something resembling pity. Then it shows Ramsay and the promise of victory and Sansa flashes the same manner of smile.
She's going to be the conqueror I think.
She's going to be the conqueror I think.
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