Seemed to me he was looking at the traitor sign.
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Seemed to me he was looking at the traitor sign.
Hasphat'sAnts
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He's been working on the Faegon scheme with Ilyrio this whole time.
Red Arremer
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Marrying Quentyn to Dany was more like... the secondary option, and never really was pursued all that seriously. Quentyn's main purpose was to try and get the dragons, actually.
Doran is almost definitely going to ally with Aegon. But since Aegon isn't in the show, Doran's plan is irrelevant, and as such Dorne was nothing but filler.
Filming Rumors:
From what I've heard they did almost nothing with Dorne this season in terms of filming. We might see the Snakes in King's Landing at some point later this season but we will most likely not see the water gardens again.
I love it how one knife stab in the back is enough to take down Areo Hotah and the guards all just sit and watch everything happen.
You'll be getting lots of my commentary throughout the season. Not sure where Vic is.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
So do you guys think Dorne in general is going to go down as the clear winner in "biggest D&D fuck up" once the series is over, or will something else manage to be even more contrived and worthless?
shira
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I think magic in the GOT-verse has a cost. So prolly need the perfect situation and timing.
Oh, we will go back to Dorne. This is just the beginning of the nightmare.
bishopcruz
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Very common is hard to define but let me say it would have been something she saw OFTEN, especially at the side of Joffrey, who was the new King and likely had tons of people swearing loyalty to him over the time he was King. These were public events with the courty pretty much being around. Beyond that, her father's bannermen would have had cause to show up to Winterfell to make oaths from time to time as well.
From when she was a little girl she would have been taught and seen stuff like this.
Gonna post verbatim what I did on another forum.
So the Sand Snakes want to avenge Oberyn by killing their entire family line, (hyperbole) okay.
Is there precedence for this in the novels? I haven't read them in a very long time but I remember being similarly baffled as to Lady's Dustin(sp?) rationale for wanting all the Starks dead, because she loved Benjen stark. Like, why.
So the Sand Snakes want to avenge Oberyn by killing their entire family line, (hyperbole) okay.
Is there precedence for this in the novels? I haven't read them in a very long time but I remember being similarly baffled as to Lady's Dustin(sp?) rationale for wanting all the Starks dead, because she loved Benjen stark. Like, why.
Red Arremer
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I wouldn't put it past them to manage doing it. I mean, I still think Asha running away from shirtless Ramsay and his doggies is pretty top tier.
Aside from them joining up with Dany at some point to add to her forces, I doubt there will be a main storyline or many scenes at all from Dorne's perspective right now.
And that's fine, you can go wild in the books, but a TV shows perspective should certainly be less broad at 10 episodes a season and only two seasons to go (or 9 episodes and two half-seasons)
GoT is often criticized for its lack of diversity and using a black actor for Hotah was an obvious attempt to deflect those claims, yet they made him the most nothing character. I'm not saying his chapters are nonstop thrill rides in the books, but he at least has some noteworthy moments while show Hotah literally does nothing. With Hotah out of the way, the only non-lily white characters are the cast of Vaes Dothrak Comedy Hour.
bishopcruz
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It's really either that or the Sansa marriage to Ramsey. Both are just plain awful, and both are equally nonsensical. At least the Sansa plot had good acting, which Dorne does not, outside of the late Prince Bashir.
It was always their plan that Oberyn fight the Mountain, though we don't know how they'd intended it to happen, the purple wedding and defending Tyrion seems to have done their work for them.
Myrcella was the shield to allow Oberyn to go to KL. If you read between the lines in Oberyn's conversation with Tyrion when he arrives in KL, he basically says he's here for Tywin. There's a decent theory that Oberyn had poisoned Tywin with Widow's Blood, hence the stench of the corpse and Tywin being on the privy. Doran said he'd planned for Tywin's death to come slow and painful and for everything to be taken from him before he died, which Widow's Blood would give him time for. Doran laments Tyrion killing Tywin as ruining his plan.
Doran reveals his plan(s) off-screen to Arianne when she's antagonistic towards him, and the next Dorne chapter she's 100% with him and together they are sizing up the Sandsnakes to see if they can be trusted, like their father was. Oberyn was to sit the small council, probably so he can sabotage from within and feed information out leading up to Dany/Qentyn's invasion.
Whatever Doran's plans were GRRM hasn't revealed them yet for whatever reason (maybe because it might still happen, with a Sandsnake instead of Oberyn and for Aegon/Arianne instead of Quentyn/Dany), and they've likely changed given Oberyn wasn't supposed to die and will again once he knows Dany refused Quentyn and Quentyn is dead.
bishopcruz
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Yeah, that's pretty much the opposite of what happens in the books. There is no precedent for what just went down, none at all. As for Dustin, I had a hard time reading her, I think she doth protest to much when it comes to the Starks.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Missandei is the one true queen so i don't think this criticism holds water tbh.
Blue Ninja
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Man, they just went fucking crazy in Dorne, didn't they. "Okay guys, we fucked up, we're killing everyone there." I didn't see it coming.
That Melisandre scene had me legit shook, though. Once she removed her collar I knew it was going to be a glamour, but seeing granny naked was still surprising. Now I'm 100% sure she's done for.
Not seeing Jon's resurrection was also surprising, but I guess they want to drag it out to have some sense of shock value? I dunno.
Davos mocking Thorne was the high point of the episode. If the Onion Knight dies, we riot.
That Melisandre scene had me legit shook, though. Once she removed her collar I knew it was going to be a glamour, but seeing granny naked was still surprising. Now I'm 100% sure she's done for.
Not seeing Jon's resurrection was also surprising, but I guess they want to drag it out to have some sense of shock value? I dunno.
Davos mocking Thorne was the high point of the episode. If the Onion Knight dies, we riot.
Cesare Borgia
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So I'm guessing the Sand Snakes will find some way to kill the king now by episode 9 or so. Clown shoes.
toastyToast
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So is House Martell dead?
Cornballer
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Reviews:
- Onion A|V Club review
- Sepinwall's review
- Vanity Fair
- Rolling Stone
- The Atlantic
- Salon
- Slate
- IGN
- IndieWire
- THR
- Westeros.org
Other content:
- After the Thrones Episode 1 is up on HBO Go
- EW: Game of Thrones director explains that Melisandre surprise
- Warming Glow: Maisie Williams Crashed A Random College Student’s ‘Game Of Thrones’ Viewing Party
- THR: 'Game of Thrones' Cast Eulogizes Jon Snow
- EW: Gwendoline Christie on Brienne's rousing return
- Vareity: Stars Weigh in on Shocking Melisandre Reveal
- ‘Game of Thrones’ star weighs in on cliffhanger
- IGN: Liam Cunningham on Melisandre and Jon Snow
- THR interview with Liam Cunningham
- NY Mag interview with Sophie Turner
HBO vids:
- Inside the Episode
- Promo for next week's episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Michiel Huisman and Iain Glen discuss their search for Daenerys
- Emilia Clarke and Joe Naufahu discuss Daenerys’ arrival amongst Khal Moro’s tribe
- Onion A|V Club review
- Sepinwall's review
- Vanity Fair
- Rolling Stone
- The Atlantic
- Salon
- Slate
- IGN
- IndieWire
- THR
- Westeros.org
Other content:
- After the Thrones Episode 1 is up on HBO Go
- EW: Game of Thrones director explains that Melisandre surprise
- Warming Glow: Maisie Williams Crashed A Random College Student’s ‘Game Of Thrones’ Viewing Party
- THR: 'Game of Thrones' Cast Eulogizes Jon Snow
- EW: Gwendoline Christie on Brienne's rousing return
- Vareity: Stars Weigh in on Shocking Melisandre Reveal
- ‘Game of Thrones’ star weighs in on cliffhanger
- IGN: Liam Cunningham on Melisandre and Jon Snow
- THR interview with Liam Cunningham
- NY Mag interview with Sophie Turner
HBO vids:
- Inside the Episode
- Promo for next week's episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Michiel Huisman and Iain Glen discuss their search for Daenerys
- Emilia Clarke and Joe Naufahu discuss Daenerys’ arrival amongst Khal Moro’s tribe
Dash_Riprock
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Dorne allows women and bastards to inherit, so no I think.
higgsboson1997
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Yeah, but how did Quentyn plan on getting those dragons in the first place on his own? To me, it didn't seem like much of a plan to begin with.
Preview clip for episode 2 from HBO my thoughts:
- First Bran flashback
- AntiJonWatchers vs. Jon loyalists + Wildings
- Tension between Lannisers and Faith Militant starts getting heavy
- Sansa starts planning the first step in the Stark vengeance plan
- Boltons being fucking shitty as usual
- AntiJonWatchers vs. Jon loyalists + Wildings
- Tension between Lannisers and Faith Militant starts getting heavy
- Sansa starts planning the first step in the Stark vengeance plan
- Boltons being fucking shitty as usual
toastyToast
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Bastards too? Interesting. Hopefully all 3 sand snakes poison each other so we never see them again.
"kunk kunk smath the beetleth", said Tyrion, lover of cripples, bastards, and broken things about his mentally handicapped cousin he has to remind his brother existed, that he spent a great deal of his childhood apparently marveling over.
I wonder how the other houses in Dorne will react after finding out that a couple of bastards killed their liege lord and his heir.
Other houses? What are you talking about, there are only like 5 people in the garden region known as "Dorne."
That was a pretty shit episode. Arya's bits were painfully boring. Lots of other things didn't make sense. Too many coincidences.
Hasphat'sAnts
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All the speculation seems more like wishful thinking to me. What are some of the evidences that make people so sure? Just the eyes thing?
Making all the effort to carry a corpse to a room, and then use that room as a saferoom, is peculiar. Knowing his corpse will be on screen again next week, just adds to it.
Sho_Nuff82
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One of my coworkers is convinced that the two women who killed Trystane are two different, this far unintroduced Sand Snakes, and they were shown as his personal guards last season. Amy credibility to that?
Is Jon warging into Ghost even necessary from a book or TV perspective? Beric Dondarrion was resurrected after being hanged, and he in turn resurrected Catelyn when she was a soggy corpse, so there seems to be little in the way of time limits. In alternative, non-fire magic, we have The Mountain resurrected, very likely with a new head sewn onto his body, so even decapitation seems to be a manageable problem in this universe.
So what is the purpose of Jon temporarily going into Ghost while we wait for Melisandre to bring him back? If Beric and Catelyn didn't need to retain their consciousness in some vessel, why would Jon...? We expect it due to the otherwise pointless Varamyr chapters in the books, but is it even necessary?
...no? Besides clearly being the same actresses, they've established three Show Snakes, who each use a whip, a spear, and knives, respectively, as their Ninja Turtles-esque weapons of choice.
So what is the purpose of Jon temporarily going into Ghost while we wait for Melisandre to bring him back? If Beric and Catelyn didn't need to retain their consciousness in some vessel, why would Jon...? We expect it due to the otherwise pointless Varamyr chapters in the books, but is it even necessary?
...no? Besides clearly being the same actresses, they've established three Show Snakes, who each use a whip, a spear, and knives, respectively, as their Ninja Turtles-esque weapons of choice.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Report them to HR for being wrong
- GRRM has said Jon will get to know his parentage, not just the readers, he can't know if he's dead
- What would be the point of showing off the Tower of Joy, Jons birth, if he's dead forever
- GRRM was asked in an interview in 2011 why he did kill off Jon, "Oh, you think he’s dead, do you?"
- Shitload of foreshadowing of how good guy Rhaegar was even though the publicly story is tha the kidnapped, rapped and killed Lyanna
- What would be the point of showing off the Tower of Joy, Jons birth, if he's dead forever
- GRRM was asked in an interview in 2011 why he did kill off Jon, "Oh, you think he’s dead, do you?"
- Shitload of foreshadowing of how good guy Rhaegar was even though the publicly story is tha the kidnapped, rapped and killed Lyanna
What I remember right now.
Atraveller
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OMG
The Elite
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Brilliant.
yes. YES.
Dash_Riprock
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Mmm-Hmm.
Latvian Hitman
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My mini review: episode was...OK. Bullets below.
- The stuff at the Wall was all good
- The Sansa/Theon escape and Brienne rescue was super predictable, but the final scene was well acted and well put together.
- KL scene was OK. A bit one-note and we didn't learn anything new.
- Jorah/Daario scene was retread central.
- Tyrion/Varys also retread central. And the burning of the ships seemed more like a plot device rather than something the Meerenese/Harpy would actually do.
- Dany/Dothraki scene was god awful. The two Dothraki riders next to her were cringe-worthy. If they aren't taking turns lighting each other's farts the next time we see them, I'll be shocked.
- Dorne. I'll sum it up with a fake quote: "I'm Ellaria Sand. I'm all mad that the love of my life was killed during a purely elective trial by combat against the Mountain due to excessive showboating. I want revenge. In order to get revenge for my lost love, I'm going to kill off the rest of his family."
D&D, ladies and gentlemen.
- The stuff at the Wall was all good
- The Sansa/Theon escape and Brienne rescue was super predictable, but the final scene was well acted and well put together.
- KL scene was OK. A bit one-note and we didn't learn anything new.
- Jorah/Daario scene was retread central.
- Tyrion/Varys also retread central. And the burning of the ships seemed more like a plot device rather than something the Meerenese/Harpy would actually do.
- Dany/Dothraki scene was god awful. The two Dothraki riders next to her were cringe-worthy. If they aren't taking turns lighting each other's farts the next time we see them, I'll be shocked.
- Dorne. I'll sum it up with a fake quote: "I'm Ellaria Sand. I'm all mad that the love of my life was killed during a purely elective trial by combat against the Mountain due to excessive showboating. I want revenge. In order to get revenge for my lost love, I'm going to kill off the rest of his family."
D&D, ladies and gentlemen.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
One if them was 100% on the show last year, the one with the spear. I think she's Oberyns daughter?
They probably both were, I just don't remember the second one
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