He's not actually the same character. Somewhere along the way he has actually gotten more noble, less direct in his rudeness, and picked up a good dose of extra empathy along the way. It seems killing those closest to him actually made him a better person!
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6
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He's not actually the same character. Somewhere along the way he has actually gotten more noble, less direct in his rudeness, and picked up a good dose of extra empathy along the way. It seems killing those closest to him actually made him a better person!
cartoon_soldier
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Arya is a guess I suppose, but that would stretch the travel time thing to extremes.
demosthenes
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I actually wouldn't care about the distance/travel/injury thing at all if after Jamie leaves that tent/house with Walder Frey Arya sneaks in and kills him. Also, let Arya over hear that the Starks have taken back Winterfell.
Arya's storyline has been isolated from the rest at least, it's not a stretch that all that happened in Braavos happened some time ago. Also isn't Braavos like right next to King's Landing? Like a couple of weeks tops?
hemo memo
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Oh yeah, I'd love it too. Maybe even have Jaime interacting with her somehow (not directly, but something).
Well, I was talking about her being at the Twins, but you're right.
The sex slave part is incredibly dark and disgusting. Tyrion is a morally grey character, but leaning toward black in ADWD.
In one of the preview chapters of TWOW, there's a part where
he contemplates killing Penny after she kisses him.
fabricated backlash
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Holy crap lol.
Veritigo_X
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Stop mashing circle!
This is both amazing and disturbing
ChaosZeroX
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I'm pretty certain that Arya is going to serve up some Frey pies, Why else would they show Jaime and the Freys?
Tyrion had justifiable reasons for killing Tywin.
But Tyrion has also fed a singer to the poor peasants.
He killed Shae slowly out of rage for feeling humiliated by her for that giant of Lannister comment. GRRM even calls it a much blacker deed than what he did to Tywin.
Tyrion doesn't really care about the smallfolk. His reply when hearing about villages being raped, pillaged and razed is "So what? That's war."
Tyrion also thinks democracy is stupid and that giving a voice to women is ludicrous
Tyrion's arc is about becoming a villain but also about getting out of his depression.
There's a TWOW sample chapter where Tyrion almost murders Penny after an innocent comment by her
The argument that I keep hearing is that the Riverlands plot is about at the point where Brienne is supposed to get captured by Stoneheart, and Catelyn's been mentioned too much this season. But the Riverlands plot has clearly been restructured into something completely different, and every major dead character gets name dropped constantly. They talked about Stannis a whole bunch this season, but I don't think he's getting resurrected anytime soon.
Prior to the show starting was before ADWD came out when Tyrion did a lot of shitty things.
Although people should've already held some doubts during ASOS.
I mean Tyrion is the type of guy that hits Shae when he thinks she's mocking him.
Anton Sugar
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Calling a spade a spade is D&D's favorite pastime. Arya was stabbed as realArya, not JaqenArya; Syrio is long dead; there is no Northern Conspiracy; the northerners are unloyal shitheads; Jon still isn't as badass as we want to think he is; they don't hate wolves, they just don't have money; LSH isn't happening; etc.
I still remember when people thought Talisa was obviously a spy and a Lannister combining both Jeyne and her mother's roles.
But then it turned out she really was just an anachronistic nurse traveling Westeros.
Also Stannis is dead
Anton Sugar
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Wasn't there a bunch of controversy about a letter she was writing in one scene before meeting or talking with Robb?
This one chaffs me a little. The popular opinion at the end of last season was "no body=no death"...which I feel like had actually been something of a pattern in this series, at least in the show.
This season, of course, flipped that over completely. So many offscreen deaths, Stannis's fits right in.
Did anything at all end up having a second, not-so-obvious layer?
I think it's a long time since we've even seen a double agent.
Yeah, aside from somehow getting Arya back in the Westeros story, I don't see how Jaime spending time with the Freys would be of any importance with all that's happening... Only other way would be for Frey to want to put Edmure back in the dungeon, which Jaime would have to object to, having promised on his honor that Edmure would be back with his son and given some degree of freedom. Wonder how far that disagreement could take things.
D&D haven't thought up one clever twist. Not one. When they go off book, it's always by-the-numbers even though fans throw out so many theories that would be way more interesting. Just imagine how bland the show would have been if they had been on their own from the beginning.
I admit that tickled me as well.
BreezyLimbo
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Huh. Light of the Seven, huh? The first thought that comes into my head is that the 7 Gods come down and start wrecking shit with this song in the background.
I mean, that'll never happen because it'd be so left field, but y'know.
Obvious, blunt storytelling to me was an active choice to gain popularity. I think D&D are actually smarter than their writing makes them appear to be, they just happen to have a cynical outlook on their audience. Season 1 feels like a different show entirely compared to Season 5 and 6.
This either plays at the big climactic King's Landing moment, Arya killing people, or Stoneheart appearing.
grandjedi6
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Definitely. Keep in mind these are the same producers who originally threw in boobs for every other scene because they were afraid people would lose attention during the political intrigue scenes. And the sad thing is, they might have been right to do so.
Admiral Woofington
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What IS the deal with off-screen deaths of beloved characters?
Did they get numerous death threats after the red wedding?
Did they get numerous death threats after the red wedding?
Most on-screen deaths on this show are really, really gruesome and I've seen enough of them. I don't want a character to die ambiguously without giving the actor his due, but I don't mind not seeing Ramsay's guts.
Admiral Woofington
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Not showing Stannis' death wasn't justifiable in any way. I still think they did that because they weren't 100% certain on the plot for S6 at the time and wanted to leave their options open. The way they shot that scene would have made it easy to handwave away his survival with a "Brienne had a moment of weakness" explanation.
grandjedi6
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How many people have been off-screened? Stannis, Blackfish, the Waif and Syrio?
Besides Stannis, those all made sense.
Besides Stannis, those all made sense.
Admiral Woofington
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Blackfish would have been funnier with better editing.
Like he sends Brienne and Pod off on the boat, and then takes out his sword and then an awkward jump to "the blackfish is dead" *nod*
bitbydeath
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Stannis wasn't really killed off screen though, they showed his death just not his body.
grandjedi6
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I wouldn't be surprised if that track wasn't in the show at all. Every season they don't use one or two amazing tracks.
That said, if it is used, it's gotta be one hell of a scene to have a nearly 10 minute song attached to it.
Even funnier would have been to try and watch Clive Russell fight ten dudes by himself. Would've given the sand snakes a running for "best" fight choreography.
-Pyromaniac-
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If the song is 10 minutes long it'll be played in a final 3-4 min scene and then through the credits.
Admiral Woofington
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The show knew we were waiting for the clegane bowl possibilities and was all "trial by combat is now no longer allowed, because we knew you'd rather watch 30 minutes of an awkward altar boy and his priest accuse a woman and a gay man of not being christian instead of a cool battle scene"
Off the top of my head, Dany saw her unborn son as an adult.
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