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What do you mean? Stannis died.
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ROUGE_BLOCK
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Haha, I see what you did there!
Rentahamster
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Is it bad that right after Tommon SD'd, this was the only image passing through my head for the next half minute?
It totally changed the emotional impact of that scene for me.
It totally changed the emotional impact of that scene for me.
The Forbes review helpfully reminded me of the Rat Cook story, and how that ties into Arya's murder of Walder Frey.
It wasnt for murder the gods cursed the Rat Cook, or for serving the Kings son in a pie he killed a guest beneath his roof thats something the gods cant forgive. ~ Bran Stark
It wasnt for murder the gods cursed the Rat Cook, or for serving the Kings son in a pie he killed a guest beneath his roof thats something the gods cant forgive. ~ Bran Stark
No he is a villain. I know because GRRM has called Tyrion a villain several times
Ramsay, Cersei, Varya, Illyrio, Euron, Littlefinger, the white walkers, Vic Greyjoy, Darkstar, the Slavers, the Green Grace etc are all villains that are alive in the books
Discotheque
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Is it bad that right after Tommon SD'd, this was the only image passing through my head for the next half minute?
It totally changed the emotional impact of that scene for me.
yeah that's exactly what it reminded me of but i swear i've seen similar suicide scenes to this with more emotional impact.
however tommen was to die i would have still felt indifferent.
The best Tyrell is still alive tho
True. Margery got her out. But we'll never see how she planned to get out from under the sparrows.
Gonna need a source on GRRM saying that, and all of those characters besides Ramsay and maybe Darkstar (can barely remember him) are far more complicated than that. Pigeonholing them as villains does a total disservice to their characters. Also, the slavers are not a character and I have no idea who the green grace is.
Quentyn had a great death.
But the actor for Euron has hinted that he might have a dragon horn that might come into play next season. And why not? The show needs a villain for next season. The WW are still behind the Wall and don't to be on their way to becoming a threat until the last season.
Discotheque
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Man, i still can't get over the fact that they killed Margaery
What an episode it was. Only thing bothered me was how fast Arya and Varys showed up where they needed to show up.
Varys on that Dragon Uber.
Show Davos seems to clearly be a widower who only had one child.
I think you have a different idea of what a villain is than most people. As GRRM says we're all villains and heroes but some people are more villain than hero and that's what we call a villain.
And here's the quote and source:
Interviewer: Do you have a favorite character?
Martin: I've got to admit I kind of like Tyrion Lannister. He's the villain of course, but hey, there's nothing like a good villain.
https://web.archive.org/web/19991013131915/http://cyberhaven.com/books/sciencefiction/martin.html
There's more of GRRM saying this about Tyrion.
Here's the twist. GRRM has been making Tyrion, Daenerys and Jon more villainous from the start of the books.
ASOS ends with Tyrion deciding he's Tywin.
ADWD ends with Daenerys embracing that she's all about fire and blood now and that she's meant to raze and conquer.
And ADWD has positioned for Jon to experience a huge change in character from the R'hllor resurrection and spending too much time on Ghost. He's not gonna be the same nice guy he was before.
The Mountain is raping Septa Unella, correct?
Oh? How is she alive in TR books? We watched her get her throat slashed on the show, so she didn't exactly die off-screen. (Though I guess that's irrelevant, considering Jon.)
Oh? How is she alive in TR books? We watched her get her throat slashed on the show, so she didn't exactly die off-screen. (Though I guess that's irrelevant, considering Jon.)
Intentionally vague on what's happening there.
He could be raping her, or he could just be torturing her.
Really, huh? The music this year has been on-point, I've enjoyed this years soundtrack the most out of all the seasons.
Rentahamster
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Beric passed his fire to her. That means he died to resurrect her.
Dash_Riprock
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She expected him to be a mama's boy like she raised him to be.
I was talking to some dude at work about Varys probably going to King's Landing in yesterdays episode. He was asking me who that was, and I told him he was the one hanging out with Tyrion. To my surprise he didn't know who Tyrion was or Varys until I showed him a picture. When I did he told me "oh the bald guy with the midget. Why didn't you say that?"
Was an awful conversation.
finowns
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Where are you getting this? It's been awhile since I've read the books but I don't remember that at all.
I was super worried we'd have to watch that. Definitely possible.
But also like. What if he just stands over her.
Stinking and glaring.
Never blinking.
Forever.
Just realized something while thinking about the revelation about Jon's past (this has probably already been mentioned by someone else, but this thread is huge): the scene after that, where Jon is talking about how he, as a bastard, had to sit in the back during feasts while the Starks sat at the head table is extra bittersweet now. To protect Jon's real identity Ned had to claim he had a bastard, while Jon wasn't even his actual son - not a huge controversy in the world of GoT, but for a man like Ned that's a huge blemish on his honor. So while Jon always felt like the outsider in that family, actually sacrificed quite a lot for him.
Ned was too good to survive this world. I miss that man.
Ned was too good to survive this world. I miss that man.
She's now called Lady Stoneheart. She was brought back in the epilogue of book three. Such an awesome scene in the book.
He had a line about dreaming he could fly when he was a kid. Like Bran had.
Euron's had all sort of magick shit in his orbit. Maybe he's a warg or a greenseer or a Faceless Man or a sorcerer ala Qarth or he has a bucket of Valyrian artifacts or whatever. Fair money says he at least knows about all these things.
It's strongly implied.
When I was a boy, I dreamt that I could fly, he announced. When I woke, I couldnt or so the maester said. But what if he lied?
This is a literal parallel to Bran who experienced the exact same thing.
Bran and Euron are also both ingesting some magical concoction to boost their powers. Bran is eating Weirwood sap made from a red and white tree and Euron is drinking the warlock's wine made from a black and blue tree.
It's implied that Euron is projecting himself into Daenerys' dreams the same way Bran did to Jon except he's using it to rape her. And that's something that only a greenseer has been shown doing.
Euron's sigil is a red eye being crowned by crows. The Three eyed Crow has one red eye and is a crow.
It's implied in book one that Bran isn't the only greenseer that's been contacted.
PQ:
Hiya! I think the idea there, and one of the many ironies of Eurons character, is that he thinks hes Sauron, but (as Ive argued many a time before), hes actually ASOIAFs own Saruman: a surprise villain come to hijack the antagonist role, a rogue protege of the good gods (Bloodraven, in Eurons case) defined by his ability to corrupt and charm, sneeringly arrogant to his former peers because he believes his marination in dangerous magic makes him a higher class of being. Like Saruman, Euron will eventually falter and fail, and look rather pathetic by the end but thats not to say he wont do a whole lot of damage first, including blowing the Horn of Joramun (while astride Rhaegal, atop the Hightower, at least in my fever-dreams) and bringing down the Wall.
So where you see Barad-dur in the Hightower, I see Orthanc; the glass candles are Eurons palantir, the Ironborn his Dunlendings, the Deep Ones his Uruk-hai, the Reach his Rohan and the Others, ultimately, are the analogue to the true-antagonist-returned-from-dormancy Sauron, just rooted in a different cardinal direction.
SoulUnison
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Cersei was already totally bought into the prophecy that all her children would die, and Tommen had thrown her under the bus by banning Trial By Combat.
Her reaction when shown his body was less "Oh god, my son" and more "Oh. So this is how it happens."
She'd already written him off completely.
Oops.
Rentahamster
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That plus their earlier discussion pretty much confirms that no, she wasn't hoping Jon was going to die in the battle. The writers just wrote her as being an idiot.
I left the stuff I did not think was a certainty or simply cannot remember any more. I think you're taking liberty with interpreting events for a number of those at least. Tyrion is no villain for starters and the dragon leaves Dany stranded in the book as well, no? And it appears that she can have children again.
One thing I'll add is Dorne is totally different. Whatshername Lannister daughter is still alive. They've sent a prince over to meet Dany(did the dragons end up eating him? can't recall). Anyway, I would appreciate something comprehensive to catch up.
grandjedi6
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The who will Dany marry plot is pretty funny in the show considering that there is literally only 4 eligible men left in the entire continent: Jon, Littlefinger, Euron and Jaime.
Well, they will need to give Dany a somewhat effective distraction from annihilating Cersei right off the bat.
Who said anything about men?
He linked an interview in the last page. With this in it
Here's the interview.
https://web.archive.org/web/19991013131915/http://cyberhaven.com/books/sciencefiction/martin.html
I would post the shame nun with the bell to keep in spirit with the show, but she's being tortured by the mountain and all.
By the way, did anyone else think Tyrion is falling for Dany? It seemed obvious, and one sided, to me.
grandjedi6
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Gonna get our YaraxDany lesbian sex scene next season
finowns
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I have to disagree. He's most likely not a warg, or the much rarer greenseer. And Brynden Rivers is called 'the Last Greenseer', also I don't see him teaching someone like Euron. Everything we've seen, so far, from Euron is eastern magic. IIRC, he was crazy enough to sail to the ruins of old Valyria, which then made him crazier.
Tyrion is a villain according to GRRM.
And no, Daenerys is even standing next to Drogon when the Dothraki find her .
And no she can't have children again or if she does it'll kill her. MMD'a prophecy is about when the real Drogo will come back to her and you could interpret that as either never of when Daenerys births a living child and dies in child birth.
And Quentyn Martell is burned to death by the dragons.
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