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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6
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Rhaegar could've married in secret.
Anyway I don't really see how this revelation matters in the actual world of GoT. There is no proof either way, and Jon certainly doesn't care about the Iron Throne.
Cesare Borgia
Banned
Maybe she stole one? But even if that's the case I doubt things are as simple as anyone can get a face and use it. She had no training on using the masks iirc.
Kinda wonder if she was trying to get Jaime as well, and his loyalty to Cersei saved him lol.
Lol I mean the bell alone took out about as many people that die in a regular episode
mcfrank said:
No doubt that the person with the larger army/supernatural beasts will win the throne.
Good point.
I mean, I always though the Kingsguard being there was proof of Rhaegar and Lyanna's marriage. They wouldn't be defending a prince's mistress and his bastard, especially after he died.
Dash_Riprock
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Anyone else find it funny that all of these plotlines have been resolved (or at least acknowledged) except for Gendry himself?
Anton Sugar
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Man, after we talked last week about how often sequences this season are sloppily written or put together, this episode happens.
Sapochnik ran a little clinic with these last episodes. King's Landing burning, Tommen's suicide, Tower of Joy flashback, "You refused the call/The North Remembers" Lyanna GOAT scene, Jaime walking in during the coronation...so fantastic.
It wasn't perfect. Arya had a crowd-pleasing moment but it mostly feels hollow, given how disconnected she has been from Westeros and it felt like the heavier inclusion of the Freys was always leading to something like this.
Lancel just chasing a child below the sept was a little goofy, but the scene was so well crafted overall, it didn't bother me.
Easily one of the best finales on this show and a fantastic end to a season that, while uneven, was a big step up from last.
Sapochnik ran a little clinic with these last episodes. King's Landing burning, Tommen's suicide, Tower of Joy flashback, "You refused the call/The North Remembers" Lyanna GOAT scene, Jaime walking in during the coronation...so fantastic.
It wasn't perfect. Arya had a crowd-pleasing moment but it mostly feels hollow, given how disconnected she has been from Westeros and it felt like the heavier inclusion of the Freys was always leading to something like this.
Lancel just chasing a child below the sept was a little goofy, but the scene was so well crafted overall, it didn't bother me.
Easily one of the best finales on this show and a fantastic end to a season that, while uneven, was a big step up from last.
The thing is, at least in the book, Rhaegar may have actually married Lyanna. The Targaryens have had multiple wives before. Aegon the Conquerer had two wives. Ergo, one could assume that while this stopped being practiced, it may not have ever been outlawed. A prominent theory is that Bran will be able to see this marriage in the books. In the show, Bran can see anything and everything, but in the books, visions in the past are solely through the faces of the weirwood trees. Most of the werewood trees down south are in the God's Eye, and many assume Rhaegar and Lyanna were married there since Lyanna may have wanted to be married near them due to her Northern heritage. In this situation, Jon would easily have the better claim. However in the show, he is technically still a bastard, and thus Dany would have the legally better claim. Though none of that really matters since you can just blow things up and become the king and/or queen.
Next season will have Gendry and Nymeria just chilling somewhere.
Anton Sugar
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Oh, and the choice to use Lyanna Mormont and that moment to make "The North Remembers" relevant again? Fantastic. That scene, and the Tower of Joy right before (and dat transition), had me all lumpy-throated.
Whew, what a ride!
Cersei going full Dark side was cool, now she has nothing to live for, Jaime will probably forsake her too after what she did and I'm sure now that he will be the one to kill her once she goes full Aerys. In fact that was a thing in the books: parallelisms between her and Aerys. I'm pretty sure this particular plot will remain intact in the books and Jaime will come back to KL about to be blown up once Kevan and Pycelle are dead.
LF coming full creep is not welcome, but I guess it was unavoidable.
I suppose the next bad guys will be Euron and Cersei as they share a goal: keeping Dany out of Westeros. I know Euron wanted in with Dany, but now that she's going with Yara... I don't know, I guess I just want him to use the horn and melt the Wall lol
Lyanna MVP.
Arya at last does something, she has become an assassin finally.
Bye Marg, we'll miss you, and bye Mace, our lord and saviour. Your loss will be felt.
Cersei going full Dark side was cool, now she has nothing to live for, Jaime will probably forsake her too after what she did and I'm sure now that he will be the one to kill her once she goes full Aerys. In fact that was a thing in the books: parallelisms between her and Aerys. I'm pretty sure this particular plot will remain intact in the books and Jaime will come back to KL about to be blown up once Kevan and Pycelle are dead.
LF coming full creep is not welcome, but I guess it was unavoidable.
I suppose the next bad guys will be Euron and Cersei as they share a goal: keeping Dany out of Westeros. I know Euron wanted in with Dany, but now that she's going with Yara... I don't know, I guess I just want him to use the horn and melt the Wall lol
Lyanna MVP.
Arya at last does something, she has become an assassin finally.
Bye Marg, we'll miss you, and bye Mace, our lord and saviour. Your loss will be felt.
fallengorn
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Genndry is the Oarsman Who Was Promised.
1. Yep
2. Could see her and Euron teaming up, but only really to try and take over the world, and both with plans to kill the other. I could also see Cersei burning down KL to spite Dany, or at least threaten that Dany will have to burn down KL to get her out.
3. Bran could come back and he'd just be "Lord of Winterfell". At this point, Lord of Winterfell doesn't have to also be KINGINDANOOOORF
4. LF is already onto his next scheme. Some debate if Sansa's look implies she might be allied with LF against Jon (over "not getting her credit") but I think it's more a look of knowing that she's going to have to stop him before he does something.
5. Don't know if she'll run into Dany. There's a couple characters I think she runs into first (Arya, Brienne & BWB). This reminds me that the show created these other Red Priest characters in Mereen, to "talk up Dany as being the Chosen One", and that never got paid off with Dany finding out or talking to any of these Red Priests. I figure she'd talk to one of them, before talking with Mel who wasn't involved in that marketing campaign.
A shaky claim? She's got no claim at all, being the wife (and mother) of the former king(s) doesn't give you a claim on the throne. If this was Crusader Kings 2 she'd be in power for two days at most before the entire kingdom rose up in rebellion.
He was cut from the show. So yeah, unless they got a nephew somewhere House Tyrell is dead.
I don't think Garlan's in the show
Even if Jon ever found out about his parentage and was legitimate, the only way he would get the throne would be if he pressed his claim to it and and went to war for it, which would be completely against his character. If anything, he will reject his Targaryen heritage (because seriously, why should he give a fuck about them?), declare himself a son of Ned and a Stark through and through and stay in the North.
R+L=J will play a role in something, but it won't be to do with the throne.
R+L=J will play a role in something, but it won't be to do with the throne.
I don't think so, no.
But no, just like with the Lannisters, there are still cousins and whatnot around. The name will go on.
Didn't Olena offer her marriage to him in Highgarden before?
I swear that happened in the show, no? Was it just books then?
I'm pretty sure the Dunk & Egg tales will eventually portray all of that.
The one thing I thought they missed was the Iron Throne cutting Cersei. I imagine next season, pretty early on, we'll see her bandaging a wound she'd gotten from sitting in the throne or some dripping blood as she walks away from it. That would make the parallel to Aerys II complete, as he was known as "King Scab" from all the cuts he got from it. In the books it's mentioned that if the throne cuts you, your rule won't last very long.
In the show it's always been Loras. I even believe that at one time Marg literally said Loras was her only brother.
I don't think the throne in the show is sharp enough for that.
No, Cersei's reinaction of it in the sept. I don't remember hearing theories about it or know if its been forshadowed. Its always been Cleganebowl and other such nonsense. Wondering how feasible it is to appear in Winds of Winter.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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So the show continues to make no sense in a lot of areas I see.
Thanks for this! A lot of it is coming back to me now.
Willas and Garlan aren't in the show, so House Tyrell is doomed. In the books however, GRRM said that they will have an important part to play in the story, which is something I'm really looking forward to reading tbh.
Hmm oh well. RIP the Tyrells then, King's Landing is gonna be fucking rekt soon enough.
I love how all they had to do to make the sand snakes tolerable was throw Olenna at them to shut them up. Good job.
The whole kingdom is in rebellion now. The Reach is at war with the throne, Dorne is at war with the throne, the Vale is in rebellion by going to aide the Starks, the North is in rebellion, the Iron Islands are in rebellion.
It's the Lannisters and Freys against the world. And the Freys just lost their lord and top 2 contenders for his position (at a minimum). So I wouldn't be surprised if they Freys sort of fall on themselves as the various kids all start battling for scraps.
Goku would be jealous of that instant transmission ability.
I believe it's a production mistake and they filmed the last scene before introducing him in Dorne and then it was too late to change it. It's the only logical explanation I can find for such a huge blop in such an awesome crafted episode.
Yeah even if his parents were secretly married and he's legitimate (how anyone would know this is beyond me) and he was technically first in line to the throne, Dany has the dragons and will be Queen because she will be the one to actually conquer Westeros. She will gain the throne not because all the little folk have been Targ loyalists this whole time, with secret dragon banners hidden away, but because she will conquer Westeros and destroy everyone in her path.
I think the most likely relevance of Jon's Targeryen heritage is the fact that those with Valyerian blood seem more likely and able to ride dragons. This factoid has been brought up in the books about a thousand times.
By the way I thought the R+L=J scene was absolutely terrible. It has been so long since the previous flashback episode that I barely remembered what happened. All we learned in this episode, unless I missed something, was that the baby is not Neds. Maybe did Ned say "Lyanna" and reveal it was his sister? This scene would only have made sense to a show watcher if they had been exceptionally observant and had like, been keeping notes about everyone's family tree. If I hadn't read the books I definitely would have had to track down the previous episode and give it a rewatch to put everything together.
FreddieQuell
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Isn't marwyn the grand master? If so, the guy Sam talked to said he would meet with him.
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It was a time jump. The same scene had Martell and Tyrell sigils on the sails of the boats.
He went back with ships, and then they sailed back to Westeros.
I thought about it and for that (and some other things in the episode, such as Olenna knowing about the explosion before going to Sunspear) to be plausible, the episode itself must've spanned at least a month.
The major differences between the book and show are even more numerable than that list, but that list hits all the high notes.
Now that I think about it, I bet Daenerys lands at the Blackwater Rush - right where Aegon the Conqueror began his reign. She sails to the east of Westeros and makes landfall there, works her way south and kills Cersei, then north to kiss pretty-ass Jon Snow on the mouth.
Now that I think about it, I bet Daenerys lands at the Blackwater Rush - right where Aegon the Conqueror began his reign. She sails to the east of Westeros and makes landfall there, works her way south and kills Cersei, then north to kiss pretty-ass Jon Snow on the mouth.
H.Cornerstone
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Two things:
1. Do they ever say in the books what Ned told Robert Lyanna died of?
2. Wyman's the North Remember speech is one of my favorite in the whole series, kind of upset we'll never see it.
1. Do they ever say in the books what Ned told Robert Lyanna died of?
2. Wyman's the North Remember speech is one of my favorite in the whole series, kind of upset we'll never see it.
MvP award goes to Cersei. For taking out all the lil cunts in King's Landing in one fell swoop. She deserves dick for weeks for that move. Revenge on all the cunts!
Runner up is Lady Morment. She has just slap around every knight and house in the North. You go 10 year old girl. The real Queen of the North!
3rd place is for Davos. Best acted and played hand.
This is basically where she should have been by the end of Dance of the Dragons. Thank you Show. Fuck you books.
I'm out.
Runner up is Lady Morment. She has just slap around every knight and house in the North. You go 10 year old girl. The real Queen of the North!
3rd place is for Davos. Best acted and played hand.
This is basically where she should have been by the end of Dance of the Dragons. Thank you Show. Fuck you books.
I'm out.
Yeah that was absurd. I was in disbelief. haha
My first thought was that it was a production mistake, but it wasn't too unbelievable so they just kept it in.
Moff
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who ever had a chance against three dragons and a dothraki horde?
we havent even seen anything from the white walkers at this point that could even defend them from being roasted by the thousands, unless they start bringing in mounted spiders that can web them down.
I wonder what will happen to stop dany in season 7, something needs to control those dragons, they are the ultimate weapon of mass destruction and grow probably even more.
InfiniteBento
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I like the idea of Jaime having to be the one to stop Cersei. That ultimate irony would be incredible.
Human Trashcan
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No?
I also thought it was a continuity error. It's indistinguishable from one, at least. I was laughing the whole time during the last moments. What a fuck up.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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The Lannisters are the definite underdogs now. They need Drizz Lannster now more than ever. It's hard to believe I've been waiting for this guy's appearance for 5 years now ever since he was teased
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