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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6
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bahamut zero
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what is pie may never die
John Dunbar
correct about everything
tv needs drama, so something must happen to her armies.
she's basically the impossibly strong evil that that needs to be defeated against all odds.
hydrophilic attack
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They have to cast Howland Reed on the show for this to work.
Night king farts once and dragons are dead.
What's interesting is that indeed, to the victors the spoils go, and they basically have no less than three houses that were basically wiped out during the Battle of the Bastards: Umber, Karstark and Bolton.
Not sure who will want to take over House Bolton and the Dreadfort tbh (I could imagine Jon and Sansa ordering the complete dismantling / splitting of said house's properties and erasing it entirely from the list of Northern houses).
I could imagine Ser Davos and Tormund being asked if they'd like to start their own houses after fighting for House Stark, and seeing how Davos is now tying himself up to the "King in the North". Establishing Tormund as a Lord would also help safeguarding his wildling companions in the north and bring them legitimacy. Not sure he's going to be thrilled at the idea hehe.
Not sure who will want to take over House Bolton and the Dreadfort tbh (I could imagine Jon and Sansa ordering the complete dismantling / splitting of said house's properties and erasing it entirely from the list of Northern houses).
I could imagine Ser Davos and Tormund being asked if they'd like to start their own houses after fighting for House Stark, and seeing how Davos is now tying himself up to the "King in the North". Establishing Tormund as a Lord would also help safeguarding his wildling companions in the north and bring them legitimacy. Not sure he's going to be thrilled at the idea hehe.
Oldest Snake
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Euron's 1000 ships will be ready by the time she arrives on the coast of Westeros.
Still let's ignore all of this for a moment and assume people are made aware of his parentage somehow.
What about the questions I raised then?
I was thinking that Cersei would threaten to blow up the entirety of Kings Landing if Dany tries invading the city. So maybe they will be in some sort of stalemate for awhile until Euron rides up from behind with a thousand ships and fights them.
Would Bran even want to tell him? Jon's kind of taken on a job that hinges on him being Ned's son. Doubt Bran wants to take away from that.
Whenever we get to the point where Jon does need to know, I imagine Howland will have to show up so everyone knows it's legit.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
euron will have one scene in season 7:
euron: are the ships ready?
iron islander 1: well, there is one problem
euron: what?
iron islander 2: sir, there are no trees
euron: ...
LifEndz
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Who gets the iron throne between those two then ?
And Jon would be Danny's nephew no?
Well...she said she wants to smash the wheel...so maybe they both sit a throne of their own? Finally get rid of the ugly (albeit iconic) iron throne? I'm shipping Dany and Jon pretty hard tho. I even have his resurrection being some sort of loophole that allows him to get Dany pregnant.
Dash_Riprock
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Would Littlefinger actually be a good king, when it's all said and done? Sure you have him putting the crown into massive debt with the Iron Bank but all that may well have been a deliberate attempt to undermine and weaken Westeros. Would LF be an actual good ruler or is he a male Cersei who knows who to scheme and plot but no idea how to actually govern?
Harrold Hardyng for instance is taking his grandmother's family name when he becomes Harrold Arryn and Lord Paramount of the Vale
LifEndz
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The NBA? Dude looks like he's tall enough to play the 3.
Sex with a formerly dead person .
That's David Cage level of stuff.
Because the Iron Islands reave and rape in Essos and they also do a lot of trading
Guy is power hungry, what's to say he will stop and wouldn't do something that leads to his own demise?
God Dayumm
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Jon is Dany's sun and stars come back from the dead
Oldest Snake
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euron (cont): Go back to your homes. Grab every seed you can find, pick up your shovels and watering cans and start planting. I want every man digging holes, I want every woman putting seeds in those holes and covering them with dirt. Grow me 100,000 trees, and I will give you lumber to build me 1000 ships... and I will give you this world!
peanutbutterlatte
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It was due. You can't just keep shitting on all your main characters. Though it won't last long, the interests of all characters conflict with others.
I'm guessing Cercei sailing over to Westeros takes place weeks after Cercei is corinated. As the news of the sept has to travel to Higharden, then Olenna must travel to Dorne, speak to Varys, who travels to Mereen and then meets up with everyone there before they sail over.
How many seasons left?
How many seasons left?
demosthenes
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I look forward to splices of Nixon demanding Gorbachev "tear down that wall" and the wall falling.
Varys already left for Dorne before the Sept blew up.
hendersonhank
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This is going to be a long year wait.
mocolostrocolos
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So, Baratheon lineage is now officially dead.
Bring Gendry back.
Bring Gendry back.
That was Reagan (but about as incompetent)
kame-sennin
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Arya seems a bit pointless now. Who's left on her list, the Mountain? Cersei? She doesn't get to kill Cersei. The Hound? And It's not like Walter Frey ever mattered after the Red Wedding. Plus, they probably can't do the mask gimmik again without it getting tiresome/repetitive. Just kill her off please, no one really buys this badass assassin nonsense. She would have required a time jump spanning at least half a decade of training to make it remotey believeable, and even then Maisie Williams just can't sell it
bitbydeath
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What if he is Syrio/Jaqen?
Great swordsman who was hired by Ned to look after and teach Arya.
1) Mirri Maz Duur chants in a tent to resurrect a dead man and summon demons
2) Mirri Maz Duur performs a different chant on a funeral pyre
3) Dany doesn't get burned when she walks into the flames
4) Dany gets burned elsewhere when she's touched by fire
If people didn't pick up on that being a special event than that's on them. The only time she was ever "immune" to fire is when a magical woman was chanting. Just because people were confused doesn't mean George didn't properly show how Dany's fire resistance works.
Just like people who think Ned fucked Lyanna even though D&D laid the foundation for Jon's parentage and established Ned as honorable. People often ignore evidence. It happens even when the writing is good.
Waylon Drums
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What show are you watching?
Blue Ninja
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I kinda agree with PQ here although I think the KL plot up to Tomme'a death worked really well. Tommen's suicide was just black comedy that took me out of the moment.
"The aesthetic and ambition staggered me as Im sure they did most. The way KL played out like a horror movie, the sheer gorgeousness of Oldtown and the Dany/Daario scene, R+L=J coming to life before our eyes this was a big episode, they knew it, they went all out, they executed bold ideas in a distinctive way. Everything you could ask for, right?
As I was watching this episode, I really wanted to love it. So why didnt I?
(Quick note: none of my complaints apply to Oldtown. The sight of the Hightower and the Citadel library had me roaring with joy, as you can probably imagine. They nailed that, cant wait for more.)
My beef is that this episode, despite all the work put into it, despite some genuinely stunning and well-constructed moments, simply was not earned. It wasnt set up properly, in terms of both story and character. You cant start a fire without a spark. You cant pull off Big Moments, even with all the talent involved in making them happen, if you dont have a solid structure behind them. And they didnt.
Why is Jon King? Hes not the heir, Sansa isor rather, Bran is, and Theon confessed that Brans not dead. But even granting that they dont know where Bran is and might think he died some other way since, this still doesnt work. How did Jon earn this? He screwed up last episode, and proved a mediocre leader at best. Sansas the one who saved the day. And again, shes the heir. You cant just handwave that away, show; you cant have Jons bastardy be crucial to his character and then pretend its no roadblock at all. You cant just have your endgame in mind and fail to support it; that prevents me from feeling the things you want me to feel. Especially when you give Sansa no reason to be on board with thiswhat, shes trying to mess with Littlefingers plans? Couldnt she just become Queen and reject his plan?
Along the same lines, why is Tyrion Hand? He, too, screwed up rather dramatically. Which, fine if there was a redemption arc involved, but there wasnt. They were transparently wasting time with Tyrion and Meereen all season when they couldve been preparing us for this moment so it would stick. Tyrions whole thing about I found myself again serving you came right the fuck out of nowhere, like it was built up to by an entirely different season. Big Moments need to be the culmination and ramp-up of all thats come before. If you just drop them in, theyre not going to stand on their own; the actors and cinematographer are doing a hell of a job, but thats supposed to be icing on the cake, and they didnt bake the cake properly. Theres no arc here.
Same with Frey Piesthats given real buildup and weight and moral ambiguity in the books. Here, its a frankly cheap slasher scare. Same with Dorneusing Fire and Blood in that context, with these characters, with that staging (was Varys just hiding behind a hedge until Ellaria said the thing?) fell completely flat. And same with the tone, across the board. It felt ponderous and pretentious to me. The material wasnt well-founded enough to justify it. Tbh, a lot of the time it felt to me like nothing so much as Man of Steel: I understand theres a lot of craft and ideas being put into what Im seeing, but theres just such a disconnect between the material and the tone, and the latter isnt earned. If Tommens suicide or the R+L=J reveal worked for you, great, I dont begrudge that, I wish I shared it! But I dont. Both of those were so on-the-nose and self-indulgently staged that they reduced me to sputtering WTF laughter.
As I said, I really wanted to love this episode. And I did love Oldtown, and that carries a lot of weight because thats the TWOW storyline Im most eagerly anticipating. But the rest suffered because it wasnt supported. They just didnt put the dramatic work in, the slow and strong boring of hard boards, to earn an episode like this. It couldve been a masterpiece, they clearly wanted it to be a masterpiece, but again, they cared more about the icing than the cake. The seed was not strong."
"The aesthetic and ambition staggered me as Im sure they did most. The way KL played out like a horror movie, the sheer gorgeousness of Oldtown and the Dany/Daario scene, R+L=J coming to life before our eyes this was a big episode, they knew it, they went all out, they executed bold ideas in a distinctive way. Everything you could ask for, right?
As I was watching this episode, I really wanted to love it. So why didnt I?
(Quick note: none of my complaints apply to Oldtown. The sight of the Hightower and the Citadel library had me roaring with joy, as you can probably imagine. They nailed that, cant wait for more.)
My beef is that this episode, despite all the work put into it, despite some genuinely stunning and well-constructed moments, simply was not earned. It wasnt set up properly, in terms of both story and character. You cant start a fire without a spark. You cant pull off Big Moments, even with all the talent involved in making them happen, if you dont have a solid structure behind them. And they didnt.
Why is Jon King? Hes not the heir, Sansa isor rather, Bran is, and Theon confessed that Brans not dead. But even granting that they dont know where Bran is and might think he died some other way since, this still doesnt work. How did Jon earn this? He screwed up last episode, and proved a mediocre leader at best. Sansas the one who saved the day. And again, shes the heir. You cant just handwave that away, show; you cant have Jons bastardy be crucial to his character and then pretend its no roadblock at all. You cant just have your endgame in mind and fail to support it; that prevents me from feeling the things you want me to feel. Especially when you give Sansa no reason to be on board with thiswhat, shes trying to mess with Littlefingers plans? Couldnt she just become Queen and reject his plan?
Along the same lines, why is Tyrion Hand? He, too, screwed up rather dramatically. Which, fine if there was a redemption arc involved, but there wasnt. They were transparently wasting time with Tyrion and Meereen all season when they couldve been preparing us for this moment so it would stick. Tyrions whole thing about I found myself again serving you came right the fuck out of nowhere, like it was built up to by an entirely different season. Big Moments need to be the culmination and ramp-up of all thats come before. If you just drop them in, theyre not going to stand on their own; the actors and cinematographer are doing a hell of a job, but thats supposed to be icing on the cake, and they didnt bake the cake properly. Theres no arc here.
Same with Frey Piesthats given real buildup and weight and moral ambiguity in the books. Here, its a frankly cheap slasher scare. Same with Dorneusing Fire and Blood in that context, with these characters, with that staging (was Varys just hiding behind a hedge until Ellaria said the thing?) fell completely flat. And same with the tone, across the board. It felt ponderous and pretentious to me. The material wasnt well-founded enough to justify it. Tbh, a lot of the time it felt to me like nothing so much as Man of Steel: I understand theres a lot of craft and ideas being put into what Im seeing, but theres just such a disconnect between the material and the tone, and the latter isnt earned. If Tommens suicide or the R+L=J reveal worked for you, great, I dont begrudge that, I wish I shared it! But I dont. Both of those were so on-the-nose and self-indulgently staged that they reduced me to sputtering WTF laughter.
As I said, I really wanted to love this episode. And I did love Oldtown, and that carries a lot of weight because thats the TWOW storyline Im most eagerly anticipating. But the rest suffered because it wasnt supported. They just didnt put the dramatic work in, the slow and strong boring of hard boards, to earn an episode like this. It couldve been a masterpiece, they clearly wanted it to be a masterpiece, but again, they cared more about the icing than the cake. The seed was not strong."
Oldest Snake
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I dunno how you think Mirri Maz Dur choosing to save Dany from dying in a fire makes it not dumb.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
considering that the one time dany does get burned she somehow has all her hair hair burn off without any mention of burns on her scalp, there is definitely some ill-defined fire resistance nonsense going on in the books.
basically, dany burns when grrm feels like it. and the burns on her hands might as well have been the result of friction instead of flames.
Don't forget the Boltons and now the Tyrells as either having no living heirs or killed off completely.
Thanks. Just making sure I wasn't been dense. And the music really worked as it built and built along with the scene.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i think in the first season robert pretty clearly stated that lyanna was raped by rhaegar, so he really is the only candidate. but i don't think it would be reasonable to expect someone who has not read the books to even remember who rhaegar was.
Why are so many people questioning what conflict Dany will face when it seems right now she is invincible? It's obvious that it's the White Walkers isn't it? When she comes, Westeros is gonna be rekt or in the process of getting rekt. She'll most likely die to be honest. Politics are a distraction from the real enemy.
How will the White Walkers beat the dragons?
vainglorious
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Um, doesn't Drogon burn the shit out of Dany in Daznak's Pit? She loses her hair at the end of Dance of Dragons too from being bathed in dragon fire doesn't she?
Imagine how boring stories would be if the most obvious thing always happened.
Thanks, and I totally agree, it was so long ago now.
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