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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6

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RobotChant

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What was the point of showing granny melisandre crawling into bed?


Now that Done has been cleaned up we still have the
Ironborn
stuff to look forward to, and whatever they come up with for the
Tarly family reunion.

Its like HBO gave them too much money and they didn't know what to do with all of it.
 
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Matsukaze

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RobotChant said:
What was the point of showing granny melisandre crawling into bed?
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I believe it's supposed to reinforce how utterly feeble and alone Melisandre is, now that her faith has failed her. The idea "the night is dark and full of terrors" is suddenly taking on a new meaning for her. Instead of the proud priestess whose faith and magic kept the cold at bay, now the cold and dark are too much for her, so she has to crawl under the furs to keep warm like a common person. Couple that with her crone form and the audience can't help but think of how far she's fallen compared to where she was at the beginning of last season.
 
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Brakke

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Speaking of Red Folks, I liked Tyrion seeing the preacher man in Meereen. He's probably the only person in Essos outside the church who realizes how wide a net the red temple is casting.

In my secret ideal version of the show, it looks a lot more like The Wire. Like the main story persists across seasons but each season has a particular theme; like do one about Knights, one about the various religious powers, one about scholarship, one about finance (this one I am probably alone on caring about) tensions between The Iron Bank and the impoverished Lannisters, etc.
 
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LifEndz

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Melisandre's nude reveal...sigh...I wonder if GRRM is trolling the show runners in an attempt to ensure the books remain the superior product. Wouldn't the effect have been the same if she kept her robe on? Or maybe they thought the audience would think she's a faceless man. I dunno.

Dorne...fuck me....just how could they ruin that entire plot line. Wasn't Illyria arrested by those same guards like a week ago? And now no one steps up to defend the prince?

Finally, where was Trystann when the 2 sand snakes killed him? It looked like he was in a boat, but that couldn't be. Wasn't he on the boat with Jaime and Myrcella when it departed? Time and travel distance is weird in this show but I'm also starting to zone out while watching so maybe I missed it,
 
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bengraven

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biosnake20 said:
Everyone's favorite ASOIAF fan Linda is still doing GoT reviews.
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Now is the time on Westeros when we review this show...
 
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Bread

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LifEndz said:
Finally, where was Trystann when the 2 sand snakes killed him? It looked like he was in a boat, but that couldn't be. Wasn't he on the boat with Jaime and Myrcella when it departed? Time and travel distance is weird in this show but I'm also starting to zone out while watching so maybe I missed it,
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He was on a boat with Myrcella, the Sand snakes standing on the shore of dorne watching them leave. It definitely looked like he does on a boat.

So that means the 2 sand snakes must have sprinted to a boat immediately after the cgi handkerchief flew off screen in the season finale...right?
 
bengraven

bengraven

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Fuzzy said:
I just started watching it. I couldn't help but laugh when she mentioned Ghost howling.
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I was thinking like her, though. Hearing the wolf cry as the show opened I was like "that's...not Ghost...it can't be Ghost...Ghost is silent...it's not..."

And that quickly became "mkay, on the show Ghost can howl."
 
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PantherLotus

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The point of revealing that Melisandre is like 400 years old (and everything in that scene) is:

-- to establish that she's having a crisis of faith;

-- to establish that part of her power over others is in perception (and losing your bets is a good way to lose that power over others)

-- to establish she's still much more powerful, older, and wiser than we know;

-- to establish she has the power to cast illusions / glamors, possibly for near-term use on subjects other than herself;

-- to further establish that without Stannis (and now Snow), her purpose is truly in question.
 
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WhereAreMahDragonz

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I thought it was a good episode. Dorne stuff was weird but I was kinda here for it, Arya deserves better, Sansa stuff was great and super satisfying, Tyrion and Dany stuff was boring, and yikes at Melisandre at the end.
 
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Koko

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PantherLotus said:
The point of revealing that Melisandre is like 400 years old (and everything in that scene) is:

-- to establish she has the power to cast illusions / glamors, possibly for near-term use on subjects other than herself.
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So you're telling me that Mance still alive like in the books?

Nice. Time to get hype.
 
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duckroll

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The point of "revealing" that Melisandre is like 400 years old (and everything in that scene) is:

- To provide shock value of granny porn and to let it linger for a few scenes showing her saggy breasts and having a full frontal view just to give viewers something to talk about the next day at the water cooler


If GoT were a well written and well directed show that cares about quality execution, there are so many ways they can get the same ideas across in more subtle ways, but nope, gotta go for the most obvious, heavy handed, and/or shocking ways to generate instant buzz. That's probably also why it's the most popular show on HBO I guess. :p
 
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Fuzzy

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bengraven said:
I was thinking like her, though. Hearing the wolf cry as the show opened I was like "that's...not Ghost...it can't be Ghost...Ghost is silent...it's not..."

And that quickly became "mkay, on the show Ghost can howl."
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Ghost has made noise on the show from the very start. We're 6 years in, time to give up that complaint.
 
diunxx

diunxx

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I think there is a very important question that I haven't seen anyone ask about last night's episode.

Why is old hag mel sleeping naked in the middle of winter in one of the coldest places in the continent?
 
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munchie64

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duckroll said:
The point of "revealing" that Melisandre is like 400 years old (and everything in that scene) is:

- To provide shock value of granny porn and to let it linger for a few scenes showing her saggy breasts and having a full frontal view just to give viewers something to talk about the next day at the water cooler


If GoT were a well written and well directed show that cares about quality execution, there are so many ways they can get the same ideas across in more subtle ways, but nope, gotta go for the most obvious, heavy handed, and/or shocking ways to generate instant buzz. That's probably also why it's the most popular show on HBO I guess. :p
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That's a pretty reductive way of looking at it I think.

I agree with this article:
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...melisandre-body-double-old-age-transformation
 
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Kozak

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duckroll said:
The point of "revealing" that Melisandre is like 400 years old (and everything in that scene) is:

- To provide shock value of granny porn and to let it linger for a few scenes showing her saggy breasts and having a full frontal view just to give viewers something to talk about the next day at the water cooler


If GoT were a well written and well directed show that cares about quality execution, there are so many ways they can get the same ideas across in more subtle ways, but nope, gotta go for the most obvious, heavy handed, and/or shocking ways to generate instant buzz. That's probably also why it's the most popular show on HBO I guess. :p
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Its a shame because they started pretty good on the shock value endings..

The show doesn't have any written material to go on anymore and its obvious but they have the mind of the dude whose actually writing it but I think even he doesn't have any idea..

I'm prepared for the books never to be finished, George to pass away (eventually) and a fucked up moral about not fully investing yourself into things as they can be taken away from you in an instance.
 
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Gigglepoo

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Kozak said:
I'm prepared for the books never to be finished, George to pass away (eventually) and a fucked up moral about not fully investing yourself into things as they can be taken away from you in an instance.
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I've already gotten more enjoyment out of A Song of Ice and Fire than any book series save Harry Potter. It's been well worth investing in even if it does t finish, at least for me.
 
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devilhawk

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I don't understand the complaints of "ruining" the Dorne subplot. So far in the books it is just as trash.

Their mistake was not cutting Dorne and putting more attention to the far superior subplot of the Iron Islands. They spent the time to introduce Balon, Yara, Theon, and Pyke early on.

I think they just got greedy after Oberyn was so well received and took some horrid missteps with the Sand Snakes.
 
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Saya

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devilhawk said:
I don't understand the complaints of "ruining" the Dorne subplot. So far in the books it is just as trash.
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It's not trash in the books. People are complaining because the characters on the TV show are basically the complete opposite of the characters from the books. Not to mention that most of the actions the tv characters take don't really make a lot of sense. And the horrible writing doesn't help either.
 
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devilhawk

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Saya said:
It's not trash in the books. People are complaining because the characters on the TV show are basically the complete opposite of the characters from the books. Not to mention that most of the actions the tv characters take don't really make a lot of sense. And the horrible writing doesn't help either.
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Dorne in the show is certainly trash, horribly written, and the characters are awful. Dorne in the books isn't rewarding in the slightest to this point. The only reason I was even slightly intrigued was if the Dornish Master Plan was actually true.

Is anyone shocked at all that the queenmaker plot is cut? I'm guessing there is some long and detailed way that Myrcella dies via the Dornish and the showmakers had no freaking clue how to reconsile that in the show.
 
bitbydeath

bitbydeath

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Saya said:
It's not trash in the books.
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The story itself is really not that different.

Sand Snakes pissed at Prince Doran for doing nothing about Oberyons death, Myceralla gets hurt.

This could no doubt escalate further in the next book, maybe Jaime will even go to Dorne when he learns of Mycerallas injuries.
 
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Last Hearth

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devilhawk said:
Dorne in the show is certainly trash, horribly written, and the characters are awful. Dorne in the books isn't rewarding in the slightest to this point. The only reason I was even slightly intrigued was if the Dornish Master Plan was actually true.

Is anyone shocked at all that the queenmaker plot is cut? I'm guessing there is some long and detailed way that Myrcella dies via the Dornish and the showmakers had no freaking clue how to reconsile that in the show.
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If you don't like the Dorne story in the book fine, cut it. Don't replace it with even worse junk and then use the original content being poor as your defense when people recognize what you put on TV is trash.

This is D&D's content, they don't get to blame GRRM for it, and the show fanboys needs to stop defend D&D with this deflection. What we see on TV has to be able to stand up on its own, and the Dornish stuff on TV does not.
 
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KahooTs

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I think most of you are giving the show too much credit and the answers to almost every question is that they don't really care, shock value, or it helps them finish everything asap.
 
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axb2013

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bodyofanamerican said:
Reddit now has me paranoid that Jon really COULD be dead for good, and the reason we saw Mel's glamour trick last night, is that they're going to have someone else be glamoured into being Jon vs. actually resurrecting him. This is crazy talk, right?
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Kit's interview instead of reddit for me but yeah, I hope that's crazy talk.

Ian McShane
 
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devilhawk

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Last Hearth said:
If you don't like the Dorne story in the book fine, cut it. Don't replace it with even worse junk and then use the original content being poor as your defense when people recognize what you put on TV is trash.

This is D&D's content, they don't get to blame GRRM for it, and the show fanboys needs to stop defend D&D with this deflection. What we see on TV has to be able to stand up on its own, and the Dornish stuff on TV does not.
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I'm not defending the trash that is Dorne in the show or the books. Their first mistake was including it, especially if they were incapable of doing anything worth watching despite changing it. Criticizing both is pretty valid here.
 
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Saya

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bitbydeath said:
The story itself is really not that different.

Sand Snakes pissed at Prince Doran for doing nothing about Oberyons death, Myceralla gets hurt.

This could no doubt escalate further in the next book, maybe Jaime will even go to Dorne when he learns of Mycerallas injuries.
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True, they are pissed. But the overall story is very different. In the books, if I recall correctly, Doran has them all imprisoned because they were about to do something reckless and then he explains to them what his plan is. Afterwards, he sends them away to perform various tasks (sit on the Small Council, infiltrate Old Town, spy in King's Landing).
 
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WhereAreMahDragonz

Banned
I think their reasoning behind including Dorne is because Oberyn was such a fan favorite. They included it in season five thinking fans would really enjoy seeing other "badass" Dornishmen, not expecting it to be utter shit.

And then since it took up so much time in season five, they were kinda forced to include it in season six, in order to finish it.
 
Moff

Moff

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biosnake20 said:
Some of the cast play two truths and a lie.

Sophie Turner:



Maisie Williams:
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I think we should bring this up again, this went under the radar so shortly before the new episode

Some of the cast play two truths and a lie.

Sophie Turner:

“Ramsay dies.” “Lady Stoneheart returns.” “Arya checks three people off her list.
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Maisie Williams:

"Arya goes to Westeros, back over the sea.” “Arya is in the trailer more times than people have realized, because they don’t realize it’s her.” “Arya doesn’t cross any more names off her list.”
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The truths are in my opinion
- Ramsay dies
- Aryae kills three off of her list
- Arya goes back to westeros
- Arya is someone else from the trailer

this leaves only one conclusion:
- Arya is Jon
 
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Out 1

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Gigglepoo said:
Like some if us were saying a little while ago, there are way too many coincidences in GoT. Their writing is all about cheap shortcuts. They'd rather make another "Varys doesn't have a cock" joke or re-establish that Ramsay is a sadist than do proper world and character building.

My problem isn't that the show diverges from the books, it's that's what's there strives for twists without doing any of the legwork to make those moments resonate.
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This was my concern for a long time now. Writing for the screen is all about economy - and adapting something like ASOIAF is one gargantuan undertaking. Naturally, a lot of sacrifices have to be made. Not knowing their plan, I can't really say that the whole Dorne story line should be cut out, but at least they can try to hide the shortcuts.

duckroll said:
Why does the letter matter? They could have killed him at any time. What plan? It was just stabbity-stab-stab-happy-times.
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Well, maybe the letter doesn't matter... Makes the scene even worse if it doesn't.
 
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Oldest Snake

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Maybe someone with a keener eye can tell but have the extras we see with Edd/Davos been featured on the show before? If I go back and watch do you think I'll spot them? I just loved how these 4 (seemingly) random no-name guys we've never seen before just happen to be the only people Edd trusts in Castle Black.
 
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devilhawk

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Moff said:
The truths are in my opinion
- Ramsay dies
- Aryae kills three off of her list
- Arya goes back to westeros
- Arya is someone else from the trailer

this leaves only one conclusion:
- Arya is Jon
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Cersei, Cleganes, Frey, and Mel are really the only ones left. So I'm doubting that.
 
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Vagabundo

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duckroll said:
The point of "revealing" that Melisandre is like 400 years old (and everything in that scene) is:

- To provide shock value of granny porn and to let it linger for a few scenes showing her saggy breasts and having a full frontal view just to give viewers something to talk about the next day at the water cooler


If GoT were a well written and well directed show that cares about quality execution, there are so many ways they can get the same ideas across in more subtle ways, but nope, gotta go for the most obvious, heavy handed, and/or shocking ways to generate instant buzz. That's probably also why it's the most popular show on HBO I guess. :p
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You're missing the meta here: the show itself is a character and is as brutal and manipulative as the rest of the villains.
 
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