Jon isn't important because he's a Targaryen. He's important because he's a thoughtful and noble leader.
How does him getting elected Lord Commander not read as Jon "mattering" to you?
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Jon isn't important because he's a Targaryen. He's important because he's a thoughtful and noble leader.
How does him getting elected Lord Commander not read as Jon "mattering" to you?
cartoon_soldier
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Simple.
Just to show that there was a boy born. They don't need to show that it was Jon yet
A lot of people in power have been killed off and stayed dead. If all it took to matter was to be thoughtful and noble, Ned and Stannis would never have died.
I watched Linda's review of the episode.
As usual, she's unwilling to say "Wow, I enjoyed that scene." S
She seems incapable of being entertained by the show.
I did agree on what she said about Davos convincing Melisandre to resurrect Jon, but I thought the rest of the episode was terrific. Even the parts which might have been terrible were solid, like the Winterfell past thing. Of course she glossed over that.
It seems like the showrunners want to give us a lot of thrills before the end of the show, and Linda will keep telling us that those thrills, while technically accurate are not earned.
Is there really a demand for criticism of television or movies that is based on the idea that the foundations of creation must necessarily be wrong.
D and D are hacks at times, but I thought the person who wrote this episode wrote an elegant, well-paced and book-respecting script.
As usual, she's unwilling to say "Wow, I enjoyed that scene." S
She seems incapable of being entertained by the show.
I did agree on what she said about Davos convincing Melisandre to resurrect Jon, but I thought the rest of the episode was terrific. Even the parts which might have been terrible were solid, like the Winterfell past thing. Of course she glossed over that.
It seems like the showrunners want to give us a lot of thrills before the end of the show, and Linda will keep telling us that those thrills, while technically accurate are not earned.
Is there really a demand for criticism of television or movies that is based on the idea that the foundations of creation must necessarily be wrong.
D and D are hacks at times, but I thought the person who wrote this episode wrote an elegant, well-paced and book-respecting script.
John Dunbar
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i know it is not fair to judge on a single scene, but the show euron seemed to have about zero charisma, and the book dialogue fell flat as fuck. only makes you dream about what someone like james purefoy would have done with the role.
James Purefoy is far too handsome to have come from the Greyjoy line.
bitbydeath
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After the first scene with young hodor I told my wife this episode was already better than the last.
It answered quite a few questions left in the books too like the Jon and Balon scenes, likely the first of many.
Legit hyped for more.
The Winterfell flashback went to such care to give fans so much. Plus Tyrion had a story direct from the book, and the Ironborn dialogue was almost entirely a mashup of various book lines the show had previously cut. If it's possible to appeal to book purists in a show that is past the book material, that episode did it.
First half of the episode was excellent. The way they handled the Wilding invasion. Bran's flashback, Jamie's conversation with the High Sparrow, everything related to Cecei and the Mountain, and Tyrion's dragon adventure were all handled really well. I was giddy. Until the second half of the episode. I didn't care for Ramsey's scene, Balon's death, or Jon's resurrection. But overall it was a good episode and the first half gives me faith that they understand what they're doing. At least in some areas (King's Landing is going to be great!)
Anton Sugar
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Yup. Also, I enjoyed Theon's scene, too.
Jon's resurrection was a wet fart of a scene.
DeadOnions
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I wish the winterfell flashback went on longer. It was a nice way to start the episode.
I enjoyed it in the moment though I don't really know if I buy what happened. Theon should stick with Sansa. Though I do kind of like the idea that "home" to him is Winterfell and he's going to try to kill Ramsey. That would make sense. But going to the Iron Islands? He doesn't have an attachment to that so I don't understand why he'd want to go there instead of sticking with Sansa and atoning for his sins.
I was still a well-done scene, though. Theon is among the best actors on the show so any scene with him (where he's not being tortured) is usually quite good.
I'm stunned that they went with the "everyone leaves the room and then he wakes up" cliche. It's incredible that a scene I've been waiting five years for could be delivered in such an obvious way. Not surprise at all.
LegendofJoe
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Agreed, poor Bran. The Starks never have good things happen to them for long.
The response
Jesus Christ I should have stayed dead, now I got squirrels talking to me and shit.
Askherserenity
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You're still expecting any sort of subtlety from D&D?
The scene was ok by show standards.
Now I'm just wondering how the book will play out.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If and when it happens he will stop being a Snow or a Stark, and will be promoted to Dragon Jesus.
bitbydeath
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Probably already been done but:
Discussion:
Better than episode 1 imo. Happy they aren't dragging out certain plot threads (Jon Snow), but not so happy about the dragging out of others (Arya).
A lot happened though, and lack of Dorne defo helped with that. Interested to see how closely the Iron Born plot will follow the books.
Jon Snow dual wielding a wolf and dragon.
Edit: Why is everyone using spoiler tags?
Discussion:
Better than episode 1 imo. Happy they aren't dragging out certain plot threads (Jon Snow), but not so happy about the dragging out of others (Arya).
A lot happened though, and lack of Dorne defo helped with that. Interested to see how closely the Iron Born plot will follow the books.
Jon Snow dual wielding a wolf and dragon.
Edit: Why is everyone using spoiler tags?
Spoiler tags because it's preview/next episode talk. Sorta.
Jon Snow is a Disney princess.
I think he'll off Ramsay in episode 5-6 and he'll spend the rest of the season prepping for the WW war.
Ok. Clicking on that spoiler I see what you mean now.
Good question. I'm guessing kings moot, back to dorne for a waste of time, Dany and her plots to escape Vaes Dothrak, and some more kings landing.
radios shipping overview
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I dunno, characters created for the show tend to meet their doom sooner or later. I'm guessing he'll be taken out by a party neutral to the internal Night's Watch conflict, like a wight.
Peter Ian Staker
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I am not questioning their motivation.
Jon has been built up as both a formidable warrior and leader and has a good claim.He is the ideal man to take back the north.
Sansa has mostly been a pawn in someone else's scheme and may eventually become a political player herself thanks to her name and her experience near LF but she still needs someone else to lead from the front for her and that would make for a pretty dull storyline.
Theon is pretty much done with the North. Nobody is going to trust him to take part in a Stark restoration after the sack of Winterfell. They made the right call to get him out of there and get him back into the Ironborn storyline where we can see him try and recover from his ordeal
and hopefully become part of Dany's storyline come next season
None of this post is answering any of my post.
You said "Interesting decision establishing why Jon is important after he's resurrected." Jon is already well established as important. He's personally touched a bunch of major characters, he's upturned the Watch / Wildling politics, he's one of two people who's killed a Walker, he was elected as one of the youngest Lord Commanders. What more do you need before you call him "important"?
The reason why so many people were positive Jon was coming back wasn't because he was a good leader. That doesn't matter, as shown by other characters being good and noble but still dying. Jon's value lies in the prophecy and his heritage. That's why we were certain he was coming back. Without those things, Jon is just another character we rooted for being killed in a horrible way.
I'm guessing with so many other characters to focus on Jon will miss a few episodes. Then 1-2 episodes will be focused on Jon reuniting with Sansa and planning the attack.
I see some hate for balons scene. I thought the dialogue was fantastic. "I am the storm brother" beyond that everyone wondering how jon finds out he is targ. possibly meera taking the place of her father and telling (in the shows version) her father's truth. I mean the child of the forest said her place is out there for the coming war
I can see the broad strokes for other characters by combining where they are by 6x02 and what we can infer from the trailers, even without leaks. And whilst what you mention will happen, and will obviously flesh out this season, apart from establishing Nu-Jon, I'm not sure what else he has to do. Take Wildlings and Davos and march, probably towards Winterfell. I have a feeling, after next week's Jon scene(s), they'll drip feed it before a very Jon/Ramsey lead episode.
In terms of Jon's parentage, I would hope he would learn it this season. Unless they establish he can warg, and interact with weirwood.net and thus Bran, I'm inclined to think it'll be through a human character. They seem to want to shy away from the other Stark children being wargs, so my monies on Littlefinger (purely based on THAT look he gave Sansa last season in the crypt; he knows stuff).
I like this idea as well. Jonsa and his/her northerners retake winterfell with aid from the vale, little finger explains or jon touch's the godswood
bitbydeath
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My first thought when I saw Dinklage had been cast as Tyrion was "He's too good looking to play that part!" But it worked out alright. Jorah, too. There's a chance! Good looking people are people too!
In my head, Sansa and Jon aren't united until she appears over the hill with her own force, akin to the Riders of Rohan at the Battle of Helms Deep. After victory, whilst the men of their armies drink and share tales of victory, Sansa and Jon have a quiet moment in front of the weirwood. Bran watches on, excited to see his brother and sister, cruelly teased by a vision so real and yet so unattainable. From the shadows out steps Littlefinger, who reveals to Jon the story of his parents.
I mean unless they introduce Howland Reed ASAP, how else are they going to let Jon learn the truth. All being said, I just invent crap fan fiction on my head, so what do I know.
I think he'll have the North united by the end of the season after defeating Ramsay. He'll gather strength until then- maybe we'll see some mountain clan stuff? I certainly hope so.
It's also weird how Aeron is the youngest brother but looks even older than Balon. That drowned god life takes years off of you.
Have they said specifically that this is Aeron? I remember they said the drowned priest from S2(?) was not him.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I was honestly expecting this to happen.
-Pyromaniac-
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I hope Mel and Jon become a thing because why not.
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