It costs the price of the capacitors + labour. $250 is insane, you could easily buy a replacement chassis for your arcade tube for that money.
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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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It costs the price of the capacitors + labour. $250 is insane, you could easily buy a replacement chassis for your arcade tube for that money.
This is a problem with convergence. As seen in all next-gen games as a post processing effect.
Monitors have convergence rings you can adjust to fix this. See this video. I'm not sure if PVMs do or not.
Of course it is incredibly dangerous to mess around inside a monitor. Especially if it has not been safely discharged. And I would not attempt it if I were you. It can kill you, seriously. You can get a tv repair shop to do it. Or find someone local who works on arcade monitors.
Also generally, recapping the monitor can fix this. Which you should have done, if you can afford it. The same tv/arcade guy can probably do this.
I'd look at applying some convergence tape, see how that goes. Guide here: http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showt...-owners-make-your-own-edge-convergence-strips
While discharging seems super scary, provided you follow a good guide, you're pretty safe. I've done it a great number of times and i'm still here today
sixteen-bit
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I have my NA DC, JP DC, and NA 360 set up on a VGA switch box to an old CRT computer monitor. Any recommendations on a scanline generator for these consoles over VGA?
bodeiseifer
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slg3000 by arcadeforge?
arcadeforge.net/SLG3000/Scanline-Generator-SLG3000::12.html
sixteen-bit
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Aren't the PC10 PPU colors funky though?
They're not that bad once you get used to them.
Or at least that's what I'm trying to convince myself...
The DC VGA adaptor has super, super good image quality and almost all games support it. I'd recommend it.
I think its overstated. I tend to prefer the default composite palette in most cases but there are actually some games that look great with the PC10 palette. Its hit or miss. But its not gonna make your eyes bleed.
I actually think its better than the FCEUX pallete in most cases. Like the FCEUX palette turns the Zelda overworld an awful yellow color instead of tan.
So here it is. First component SNES mini I've done like this. Click on the image for more pics.
I modded my other mini for component and rgb over the weekend, and it mostly works, but I must've swapped the red and blue on the convertor board because the colors are off. Easy fix, but I haven't bothered to fix it yet. I might take the time later to restore svideo as well once I got it open again.
Perhaps I'll take some pics of mine some time later. I put my power led under the power switch and mounted the component conversion board on top of the metal rf shielding.
I seem to remember only one of them doing that? Maybe I'm getting them confused.
Bill Rizer
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People, I have a quick little question: what would be the best scaler option (good pq, lowest possible lag) for 480i only stuff (ps2, gc), possibly with scart rgb input?
Thanks
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Framemeister. Wouldn't recommend earlier versions of the XRGB, as they're not great with 480i content.
KennyLinder
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Does the Mini XRGB support component video input? From the images it doesn't look like it does, so this might be a stupid question! Would like one for my GC and PS2, both of which I have components video cables.
IrishNinja
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i got mine from Solaris & ordered a D-terminal adapter (i think it's called?), so yeah it absolutely does if you have that, use mine for my GC with no issues.
KennyLinder
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Is that Component to D-terminal adapter? So XRGB has D-terminal input? I thought that was VGA, or is that the same thing?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
D-terminal is not the same as VGA. D-terminal is the equivalent of component -- it's basically Japan's version of component.
KennyLinder
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Does XRGB have D-terminal input? I'd have to invest in those two cables for PS2/GC unless you can get D-terminal to Component adapters.
Ah it does, D5. From the photos I assumed it was VGA input (which I could have used with my Dreamcast).
IrishNinja
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yeah, DC options are to either get the monoprice VGA to HDMI converter or mod your VGA box for SCART use, as i did.
Yep, that should work. Well, I don't see why not.
Lynd7
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Yeah, I'll try it later.
Setting the PVM for 240p, would that make gamecube games not have the right output? Or would it not matter?
Sorry, Im trying to work this stuff out. Is there a guide out there for beginners?
Is there actually a setting for 240p on your PVM? Mine just auto detects. I run my Gamecube via RGB though.
If your inputs are RGB/Component just make sure you set it to Component, otherwise the colours will be messed up. Don't try and force Progressive Scan on the GC either.
Damn this amazing monitor is about to go for $100 if no one bids.
This is the ultimate gaming monitor, does 240p and 480i/p and higher resolutions I believe.
Too bad they won't ship.
This is the ultimate gaming monitor, does 240p and 480i/p and higher resolutions I believe.
Too bad they won't ship.
Lynd7
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Yeah I've got it plugged in and the image displays.
I was just wondering about the geometry, if I use that grid to set the image, will it display correctly for everything?
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
2.5 hour drive. Less than that if I work it into a weekend fighting game session with the Florida crew.
Hmm...
It works for me and all my systems well enough, though I have heard of people having trouble with the odd system shifting off centre to either side. It should be good as a catch all thing though.
Lynd7
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Cool. Should I use that grid pattern in underscan mode? That's what the red set of squares are for right?
Thanks.
I just do it in normal mode, so I get a full view of the screen and its geometry.
Yup, then I just adjust the red so it is square/touches the borders of the screen itself. There's a good video guide I bookmarked, I'll try find it for you.
sixteen-bit
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Such an epic monitor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcTK0VYIaKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5hyf5k5Qg
Florida heads like Mzo and Irish, you know what to do.
lol, Irish is anti-#TeamCRT I forgot
KennyLinder
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Does modding the VGA box to SCART take away the VGA clarity? I'll look at the monoprice option too.
Argh, I want that so bad. I hate that I had to leave all of my CRTs behind when I moved to Europe. They're all in storage, though, so eventually I will enjoy them again!
This is almost a 9 hour drive, no way will irish do it... but maybe I could get mzo to tag along....shame it's not closer to us :/ nothing ever pops up here.
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Deleted member 22576
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Whoa, the NEC is a big boy.
I've come to the conclusion I have no idea what I want, but I Definitely want a reasonably sized CRT. I know that much.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pho/4450968446.html
Just saw this one, but it seems pretty pricey.
I've come to the conclusion I have no idea what I want, but I Definitely want a reasonably sized CRT. I know that much.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pho/4450968446.html
Just saw this one, but it seems pretty pricey.
$350 for 14 inch is insane. Even if it's like new as they claim.
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Yeah, I was considering making a lowball offer but I'm not in so much of a rush anymore.
I'm starting to realize I'm gonna have to actually have to maintain this thing and lug it around, etc. Thats why the small one was so appealing to me.
I am having a delightful time nerding out over all this though. On some of them the input buttons light up like spaceship control pod lights.
Do you guys typically play games with underscan on? It seems like that'd be the way to go but maybe not.
I'm starting to realize I'm gonna have to actually have to maintain this thing and lug it around, etc. Thats why the small one was so appealing to me.
I am having a delightful time nerding out over all this though. On some of them the input buttons light up like spaceship control pod lights.
Do you guys typically play games with underscan on? It seems like that'd be the way to go but maybe not.
IrishNinja
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i mean...again when ive got the space one day, ill need something for lightgun games/TATE/etc
but 9 hours for it? nah, gun's right
nope! its sharper than when i had it over the HDMI converter, and i had an additional switch modded for RGB use since games like Bangai-O, Dino Crisis (I believe) and others don't support VGA. for me, it really is the best of both worlds.
What's the workaround for this by the way?
As I wrote that post, I searched my Chrome bookmarks for it, but alas, it seems I was mistaken, apparently I did not keep it for future reference...
What I do remember is that it's really just about tuning a variable in the service menu. If someone needs it, I can look into the service menu of my PVM and find the variable I changed. Maybe I'll do it this weekend if I have the time (and if I remember how to access the bloody service menu ifself).
In any case it's a pretty cool workaround, as it saved me from having to change capacitors on my PVM, which is definitely not something I'd be able to do myself. The lines are still visible in 16:9 mode though, but I never use that mode anyway.
For reference, here's a (really terrible) photo of the problem, before the workaround:
You have to hit degauss and enter at the same time after you are on the normal menu screen. I've been messing around in the service menu but I can't get rid of those, I would appreciate it if you found out again! I was also reading the service manual, and it said the lines are a normal phenomenon caused by an internal test signal...As I wrote that post, I searched my Chrome bookmarks for it, but alas, it seems I was mistaken, apparently I did not keep it for future reference...
What I do remember is that it's really just about tuning a variable in the service menu. If someone needs it, I can look into the service menu of my PVM and find the variable I changed. Maybe I'll do it this weekend if I have the time (and if I remember how to access the bloody service menu ifself).
In any case it's a pretty cool workaround, as it saved me from having to change capacitors on my PVM, which is definitely not something I'd be able to do myself. The lines are still visible in 16:9 mode though, but I never use that mode anyway.
Oh yeah, it's a beast. Displays almost anything you can throw at it, although I'd recommend getting an Extron sync processor for some setups... Heh.
XM29 Xtra on the left, BVM-20G1U on the right.
Alright, that was easy, apparently the service menu remembers the last variable you were on, haha!
So the variable you want to change is V BLANKING. There is a separate variable for 50Hz and 60Hz, but the one for 60Hz is variable #91 (I did not bother changing the 50Hz one as I don't have any 50Hz devices, so I don't know its number).
Start by booting up a device that does 240p and have it display on the screen, as the problem is less pronounced on a blank screen. Then increase the variable until the lines are completely hidden by the underscan. That's it.
Naturally this workaround does jack and shit for 16:9 mode since there is no vertical underscan to work with.
So the variable you want to change is V BLANKING. There is a separate variable for 50Hz and 60Hz, but the one for 60Hz is variable #91 (I did not bother changing the 50Hz one as I don't have any 50Hz devices, so I don't know its number).
Start by booting up a device that does 240p and have it display on the screen, as the problem is less pronounced on a blank screen. Then increase the variable until the lines are completely hidden by the underscan. That's it.
Naturally this workaround does jack and shit for 16:9 mode since there is no vertical underscan to work with.
sixteen-bit
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Haha!
I just can't get rid of that remote, funny that it actually syncs to some of these professional monitors.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Pfff...
Akai Katana is the video game equivalent of a foot fetish: I don't really get it.
sixteen-bit
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I picked mine up at a thrift shop. Really weird remote. Once I noticed that electroluminescent panel I knew I had to get haha. I never bothered programming it, but it worked with my trinitron CRT without doing anything, so I've kept it around.
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