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US Presidential Foreign Policy Debate |OT| Please proceed, governor

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DY_nasty

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Using a bayonet is taking a knife to a gun fight literally. It's not a useful tactic. Just because the marines use them means shit. The marines use the most out dated tech of all military, they use old tanks like the m1a1 while the army is already 2 gens ahead with the M1a2 SEP.

I'd love to hear of a marine actually using one in combat too. So many things have to go wrong for it even to become an option...
 
So is this whole "He passed the Commander in Chief test" line that CNN keeps harping about Romney just another way of saying he just copied everything Obama said tonight?

It must mean he didn't take a dump on stage or something because everything about that performance seemed otherwise unpresidential in comparison to obama.
 

TheNatural

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis#Impact_in_the_U.S.

This and other related conditions/events is a pretty big weight to deal with when you're entering into a presidency. This is regardless of who's president by the way.

It's not an issue that's just resolved in a 4 years as the effects are long-lasting.

Yup. But that's the kind of ignorance of fact Romney's campaign is banking on. No need to explain or say "well if we still kept up with the trickle down econ and deregulation, where would we be" but instead just keep saying over and over again "are we really better off four years ago."

So that's how you get idiot votes. "Well by gollee I'm not all that better off so maybe we should give this guy a try, who believes the same shit that got us into this place in the first place!"

It's no wonder a couple years ago Republican senators were saying their biggest goal was to get Obama out of office. It's literally been their strategy up until this point to make sure the economy is as stagnant as possible so they can hopefully get their guy in. And with the polls as close as they are, you can see how many fucking retards fall for that shit.
 
Because both parties have had their plans out in the open for years now. If you don't know what Romney is planning to do and what Obama is planning to do then it's your fault for not researching. Undecided's are flat out ignorant lazy people who haven't found answers/facts for themselves, have no conviction or don't seem to have any ideas of their own on how society should function.

I'm convinced. I think I'll vote for Romney. Since the man doesn't matter, and it all comes down to party plan and conviction of principles, I'd have to say that I'm 51% aligned with the republican platform vs. 49% aligned with the democratic one. That should make voting in this election and future elections much easier. Thank you!
 

Veitsev

Member
Sorry we can't quite help the vote as the 52nd state:

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Just focus on getting hockey back and we cool bro.
 

Smellycat

Member
So, how was the Israel butt licking debate? I completely forgot about it.

edit: Oh, I see that they discussed other issues. How was the debate overall?
 

nib95

Banned
Lol CNN fuck you! Retracting their mistake. Obama was right about the Libya cost in comparison to Iraq. Shame. Shame lol.
 

MetatronM

Unconfirmed Member
Why give such a hard time to undecided voters? I'm undecided in the sense that I'm hoping romney will say or do something that would make me feel like I can go ahead and not vote for four more years of this economy. Honestly I don't think there is anything that would work, but I'm still giving him the chance. He's still got a couple of weeks to whip out a game changer.

The president, no matter who he is, has relatively little power over the economy, and what power he does have typically takes YEARS to come to fruition, both for good and for bad. The benefits of Bush I's domestic policies, for example, contributed a great deal to the "Clinton" prosperity of the '90s, which really came into being a couple of years after he was voted out of office. Conversely, Bush II's domestic policies largely contributed to an economic crash that didn't hit until the waning days of his 8 year presidency. Even if Romney were elected, you're going to get at least two to four more years of whatever track the economy is currently on at this moment (which, by the way, has seen continued growth and job creation for years now, it just had a really really shitty starting point).

Rather than feel like you're voting for or against an economy, it would be wiser to look more at how the two candidates come to their proposed policies and evaluate the merits (or lack thereof) of their plans and characters.
 
Ah. I know we dont have any now. Didn't know the history.

s'alright. point is that they were a staple of the navy during WWI and WWII- but are a totally outmoded form of combat now. There's no point to having huge floating battleships like we did in 1950 or whatever.

The same is mostly true with our air power. The age where we expect our pilots to be dogfighting each other in single combat is rapidly coming to a close. Drones are going to be handling a larger and larger share of things that were traditionally handled by pilots in F-16s or whatever.
 

Realyst

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The problem is people in the north and big cities are entirely different people and basically different countries than the people in the south and bible belt states. If the south was allowed to secede and the north remained the US there would never be a republican president again. It's really not fair that they get to keep fucking everyone over because they're ignorant and paranoid without reason.

Yep, we're all the same down here. Just one consciousness. Borg-like, in fact. I'm sure that everyone down here agrees wholeheartedly with the GOP platform. Also, we're all white, blue collar, evangelical baby boomers who want nothing more than to cling to our guns and our religion. This mindset doesn't exist anywhere else in this country. We also live like the Amish: no Internet, cars, or other modern technologies. Totally the 1870's down thisaway.

Please, don't generalize. There are idiots everywhere. Granted, there is a slightly higher concentration of them in the South.
 

DjRoomba

Banned
Why was this entire debate bout foreign policy? Do Americans really care that much about this shizz? Would have been more interestin to discuss some otha issues, no?
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Why was this entire debate bout foreign policy? Do Americans really care that much about this shizz? Would have been more interestin to discuss some otha issues, no?

One of four debates including a vice presidential debate and only one was on foreign policy.

Are any liberals genuinely outraged by anything Ann Coulter says at this point?

Not so sure what's so bad about the 'Christ' twitter comment, but other than that, I think decent human beings are outraged at anything she says.

-edit-
nevermind didn't see the other tweet....
 

TheNatural

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Yep, we're all the same down here. Just one consciousness. Borg-like, in fact. I'm sure that everyone down here agrees wholeheartedly with the GOP platform. Also, we're all white, blue collar, evangelical baby boomers who want nothing more than to cling to our guns and our religion. This mindset doesn't exist anywhere else in this country. We also live like the Amish: no Internet, cars, or other modern technologies. Totally the 1870's down thisaway.

Please, don't generalize. There are idiots everywhere. Granted, there is a slightly higher concentration of them in the South.

It's not generalization to say it's the case in the rural South. There are big cities in the South that vote Democrat, but are swallowed whole by the vast rural majority.
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
I'm convinced. I think I'll vote for Romney. Since the man doesn't matter, and it all comes down to party plan and conviction of principles, I'd have to say that I'm 51% aligned with the republican platform vs. 49% aligned with the democratic one. That should make voting in this election and future elections much easier. Thank you!
Ah, being disingenuous. Pretty much the top quality of being a Republican these days. They can have you.
 

IrishNinja

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Why was this entire debate bout foreign policy? Do Americans really care that much about this shizz? Would have been more interestin to discuss some otha issues, no?

dont worry, there wasnt a whole helluva lotta foreign policy talked about
repeat debate 2 shit and keep it movin so we dont miss too much of the game was kidna the thesis here, some good zingers aside

Are any liberals genuinely outraged by anything Ann Coulter says at this point?

nah, like this homeless dude on the metro sometimes mean mugs me and calls me a crackah-ass-crackah when im getting off at my stop and i dont really get mad or indulge him either, you know
 

mr_nothin

Banned
"He didn't break into tears, sitting in that chair next to Obama. So...good enough to be Commander in Chief. "

Fuckin CNN....

I do recall Romney having tears run down his face during the closing of the debate. Seriously.

He was glassy eyed the whole last 30 mins.
 

Piecake

Member
Butts were thoroughly licked.

I will never understand why every president needs to lick their butt clean. I simply can't imagine that their lobby is THAT powerful. And what the hell is Israel going to do if we stop slurping them? Tell us to fuck off? Good luck with that...
 

Steelrain

Member
ann coulter is way out of line with that twitter post
It's how she makes money. She can always count on liberals to get outraged by her statements and then she gets to make several appearances on various outlets in order to double down. She gets paid, the story dies, the world turns...

People really have to ignore her predictable responses to everything. I doubt she acts like that when she goes home to JJ.
 
I will never understand why every president needs to lick their butt clean. I simply can't imagine that their lobby is THAT powerful. And what the hell is Israel going to do if we stop slurping them? Tell us to fuck off? Good luck with that...
It's not just the Israel lobby, it's the fact that supporting Israel is a huge issue for Evangelicals for some reason
 

SapientWolf

Trucker Sexologist
The president, no matter who he is, has relatively little power over the economy, and what power he does have typically takes YEARS to come to fruition, both for good and for bad. The benefits of Bush I's domestic policies, for example, contributed a great deal to the "Clinton" prosperity of the '90s, which really came into being a couple of years after he was voted out of office. Conversely, Bush II's domestic policies largely contributed to an economic crash that didn't hit until the waning days of his 8 year presidency. Even if Romney were elected, you're going to get at least two to four more years of whatever track the economy is currently on at this moment (which, by the way, has seen continued growth and job creation for years now, it just had a really really shitty starting point).

Rather than feel like you're voting for or against an economy, it would be wiser to look more at how the two candidates come to their proposed policies and evaluate the merits (or lack thereof) of their plans and characters.
Interestingly, Clinton fell on his sword for the crash, because he allowed Glass-Steagal to erode, which in turn enabled a lot of the CDO lunacy.
 

hym

Banned
The undecided focus group on MSNBC, 7 out of 8 think Obama won, 1 thought it was a tie.

Edit: the guy that thought it was a tie is conveniently voting on Romney now.
 
The two parties are at their most similar in the foreign policy realm. This is because it is the area where business interests are most aligned and domestic awareness (and concern) is lowest. It's kind of weird that they even pretend to have a "debate" dedicated to it.

And I don't know why people think it's a good thing that Romney agrees with a lot of Obama's foreign policy.
 

IrishNinja

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you'd let your dog pee on the carpet...that is disgusting!

hey man
i dont come to your house and tell you how to express yourself, nahmean

i really am trying, he doesnt care about pee pads and trying to take him downstairs everytime he wakes up and im not at work is pretty much all i got so far
 
Cool, they got me. +1 for Romney in PA.

Ok. If you not actually just messing around with people, I would be interested in hearing exactly where you align with both parties.

And I don't know why people think it's a good thing that Romney agrees with a lot of Obama's foreign polic

It's not and honestly Obama's shit eating of anything Israel was infuriating to watch. America's arrogance (and the need to be so arrogant when running for president) is disgusting to watch.
 
I wish my state split electoral votes. I live in a metropolitan area in a southern state, heavily liberal but the rest of the state is deep red. So guess what! My presidential vote doesn't count, and neither candidate gives a shit about me or the issues I care about.

MURRICA
 

Canuck76

Banned
It's not generalization to say it's the case in the rural South. There are big cities in the South that vote Democrat, but are swallowed whole by the vast rural majority.

Have you ever lived there? If not then please stop with this whole stereotype BS.

If there's any southern stereotype that should be perpetuated their extremely friendly people no matter what their beliefs are.

And eff CBC frigging, run some crap on that new NDP guy. I don't know.

Don't patronize Canadians with these foreign American elections!
 
Have you ever lived there? If not then please stop with this whole stereotype BS.

If there's any southern stereotype that should be perpetuated their extremely friendly people no matter what their beliefs are.

Highly depends on where you are.

Edit: And yes, cities in the south are generally pro democrat and the rural majority stamps out that lean. I don't see how you can dispute facts here.
 

TheNatural

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Have you ever lived there? If not then please stop with this whole stereotype BS.

If there's any southern stereotype that should be perpetuated their extremely friendly people no matter what their beliefs are.

I live there NOW. At least what is considered South, in Kentucky. In Louisville and Lexington it's Obama, the rural rest of the state is HEAVY Romney.

It's not a stereotype, its the fucking election results. Go look at them and stop getting butthurt, it's not something that's said as a stereotype, it's said as what is the way of life.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Have you ever lived there? If not then please stop with this whole stereotype BS.

If there's any southern stereotype that should be perpetuated their extremely friendly people no matter what their beliefs are.
Just look at NC and how they vote in urban areas compared to rural then get back to me.
 
Romney agreeing with Obama when it comes to foreign policy it not a good thing. I actually liked Ron Paul's stance on foreign policy more than anyone else's.
 
I live there NOW. At least what is considered South, in Kentucky. In Louisville and Lexington it's Obama, the rural rest of the state is HEAVY Romney.

It's not a stereotype, its the fucking election results. Go look at them and stop getting butthurt, it's not something that's said as a stereotype, it's said as what is the way of life.

KentuckyGAF unite!
 

devilhawk

Member
I live there NOW. At least what is considered South, in Kentucky. In Louisville and Lexington it's Obama, the rural rest of the state is HEAVY Romney.

It's not a stereotype, its the fucking election results. Go look at them and stop getting butthurt, it's not something that's said as a stereotype, it's said as what is the way of life.
But that urban/rural split is not exclusive to the South. Not at all.
 

Angry Fork

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Yep, we're all the same down here. Just one consciousness. Borg-like, in fact. I'm sure that everyone down here agrees wholeheartedly with the GOP platform. Also, we're all white, blue collar, evangelical baby boomers who want nothing more than to cling to our guns and our religion. This mindset doesn't exist anywhere else in this country. We also live like the Amish: no Internet, cars, or other modern technologies. Totally the 1870's down thisaway.

Please, don't generalize. There are idiots everywhere. Granted, there is a slightly higher concentration of them in the South.

Not slightly, the concentrated mass of GOP defenders are in the south, and do cling to their guns and religion. Obviously it isn't 100% but it is the vast majority this isn't controversial. People who sympathize with leftist ideas should come to the north and then we cut off the south for good. We could set up some program to pay for their housing in the north while they relocate.

Then let the south vote for their own right wing guys and the north will vote for who we want and we'll be able to prosper without leeches holding us back. The confederacy would implode into fascism and slavery within 5 years and it will be a great learning experience for them.


The two parties are at their most similar in the foreign policy realm. This is because it is the area where business interests are most aligned and domestic awareness (and concern) is lowest. It's kind of weird that they even pretend to have a "debate" dedicated to it.

And I don't know why people think it's a good thing that Romney agrees with a lot of Obama's foreign policy.

Seriously, there better be a huge concentrated effort on the left to try to get Obama to come back to the left if/when he gets re-elected. They keep spewing this shit about supporting him until he gets in because he's better than Romney well if they get their way they better not turn apathetic and still support his center-right bs.
 

Nert

Member
The two parties are at their most similar in the foreign policy realm. This is because it is the area where business interests are most aligned and domestic awareness (and concern) is lowest. It's kind of weird that they even pretend to have a "debate" dedicated to it.

And I don't know why people think it's a good thing that Romney agrees with a lot of Obama's foreign policy.

I'm assuming that most people are happy about Romney agreeing with him because it makes it easier to say that Obama won the debate, thus improving Obama's chances of reelection. Given that, there are still a lot of people here who are less than fully satisfied with Obama's foreign policy record (but I assume that they would attack it "from the left," instead of going on about things like apology tours).
 
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