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[metalslimer]

Romney agreeing with Obama when it comes to foreign policy it not a good thing. I actually liked Ron Paul's stance on foreign policy more than anyone else's.

Ron Paul's foreign policy stance of pretty much complete isolationism is even worse. Of course America hasn't seem to figure out a stance between world savior and ignoring everyone.

eriously, there better be a huge concentrated effort on the left to try to get Obama to come back to the left if/when he gets re-elected. They keep spewing this shit about supporting him until he gets in because he's better than Romney well if they get their way they better not turn apathetic and still support his center-right bs.

Obama has been center right since he began running for president. Anyone who saw him as a huge liberal either didn't listen to what he had to say or are a part of the extreme conservative group in the US that thinks anything even slightly left of crazy is liberal socialist

 

[Ken Masters]

I live there NOW. At least what is considered South, in Kentucky. In Louisville and Lexington it's Obama, the rural rest of the state is HEAVY Romney.

It's not a stereotype, its the fucking election results. Go look at them and stop getting butthurt, it's not something that's said as a stereotype, it's said as what is the way of life.

Kentucky is not other southern states where urban cities are heavy romney as much as rural areas

 

[IrishNinja]

Romney agreeing with Obama when it comes to foreign policy it not a good thing. I actually liked Ron Paul's stance on foreign policy more than anyone else's.

i agreed with a lot of it too (closing down bases, etc - although im for small tactical intervention for humanitarian disasters), but just like his better views on things like the drug war, a) sadly none of that is on the table for the big 2 parties and b) RP brought too much crazy on other economic (and some social) issues for me to even take him seriously.

Kentucky is not other southern states where urban cities are heavy romney as much as rural areas

such as

 

[Canuck76]

Just look at NC and how they vote in urban areas compared to rural then get back to me.

I'm not disputing the voting patterns.

But when you leave Charlotte or New Orleans its not like "Deliverance" though.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

Ok. If you not actually just messing around with people, I would be interested in hearing exactly where you align with both parties.



It's not and honestly Obama's shit eating of anything Israel was infuriating to watch. America's arrogance (and the need to be so arrogant when running for president) is disgusting to watch.

I was just about to go to sleep, maybe tomorrow. But no, I'm not kidding. I've been on the fence until now, I think the undecided bashing that's been going on since the first debate has soured me on the know it all liberals.

 

[ThisWreckage]

Ron Paul's foreign policy stance of pretty much complete isolationism is even worse. Of course America hasn't seem to figure out a stance between world savior and ignoring everyone.

Closing down a lot of foreign bases and consciously avoiding conflict (especially in the Middle East) is definitely better than the quagmires we've gotten ourselves into since the 60's.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

Romney taking Obama's stance on every foreign policy issue is fucking brilliant, really.

Obama's greatest strength is is foreign policy (which makes sense, 2008 was a foreign policy election until about six weeks to go), so what's the easiest way to disarm him? Make yourself identical in as many regards as possible. This way, the only difference between the two is on domestic issues, which Romney is hoping the election will hinge on.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Closing down a lot of foreign bases and consciously avoiding conflict (especially in the Middle East) is definitely better than the quagmires we've gotten ourselves into since the 60's.

A lot of those bases are there for strategic reasons. Closing them down without a sound plan other than "hurr dur defense spending bad!" is completely idiotic.

 

[NoirVisage]

I was just about to go to sleep, maybe tomorrow. But no, I'm not kidding. I've been on the fence until now, I think the undecided bashing that's been going on since the first debate has soured me on the know it all liberals.

You pretty much confirmed his opinion -__-

 

[metalslimer]

I was just about to go to sleep, maybe tomorrow. But no, I'm not kidding. I've been on the fence until now, I think the undecided bashing that's been going on since the first debate has soured me on the know it all liberals.

Well if you're going to let internet groups sway your vote, then you really weren't an undecided and were planning to vote for Romney all along. Either that or the fact that someone would have such a lack of conviction on the internet they would be insulted enough to vote one way or the other is just as sad.

 

[MWS Natural]

Yep, we're all the same down here. Just one consciousness. Borg-like, in fact. I'm sure that everyone down here agrees wholeheartedly with the GOP platform. Also, we're all white, blue collar, evangelical baby boomers who want nothing more than to cling to our guns and our religion.

Wait..is this sarcasm? Because my 10 years living in the south pretty much matches up with this perfectly

 

[GillianSeed79]

The horses and bayonets quip is kind of hollow considering Romney was right. The military has not been happy with budget cuts and a lot of ships are about to be placed out of commission due to their age. Ships are expensive as hell. So not only have they had to scale back, but if the money isn't there to build more ships the number of ships will drop yet again.

Call me when Al-qeda has a Navy. I mean if you are really serious about cutting the deficit my first thing would be to build more ships. Just the other week I was talking to my friends about that giant naval battle between the US and Al-qeda. Man, if we only had more ships to fight those guys on land armed with AK-47s, RPGs and IEDs. That would make the difference.

It's almost as if the government would be paying these people to build these ships that we don't need. That would be like saying the government can create jobs, the government is directly investing in private defense subcontractors and would be spending tax payer money to do it. It's a good thing Romney doesn't believe in that.

 

[teh_pwn]

I was just about to go to sleep, maybe tomorrow. But no, I'm not kidding. I've been on the fence until now, I think the undecided bashing that's been going on since the first debate has soured me on the know it all liberals.

Ah, one of those Pctx independents. Yes, those darn liberals and their liberalness have pushed you, an independent that shouldn't be impacted by attacks of the right, into voting on the right. And if you dislike mud slinging in general. then using GAF as the reason is mad selection bias.

 

[ThisWreckage]

A lot of those bases are there for strategic reasons. Closing them down without a sound plan other than "hurr dur defense spending bad!" is completely idiotic.

No shit. A lot of those bases are completely superfluous and complete money sinks too.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Call me when Al-qeda has a Navy. I mean if you are really serious about cutting the deficit my first thing would be to build more ships. Just the other week I was talking to my friends about that giant naval battle between the US and Al-qeda. Man, if we only had more ships to fight those guys on land armed with AK-47s, RPGs and IEDs. That would make the difference.

It's almost as if the government would be paying these people to build these ships that we don't need. That would be like saying the government can create jobs, the government is directly investing in private defense subcontractors and would be spending tax payer money to do it. It's a good thing Romney doesn't believe in that.

Its more about shipping routes in the South China Sea and the melting Artic.

 

[TheNatural]

I was just about to go to sleep, maybe tomorrow. But no, I'm not kidding. I've been on the fence until now, I think the undecided bashing that's been going on since the first debate has soured me on the know it all liberals.

If you're voting and can't explain the difference between neo Keynesian econ, and the trickle down Friedman econ, then you really shouldn't have a vote in this election.

 

[Link]

Romney taking Obama's stance on every foreign policy issue is fucking brilliant, really.

Obama's greatest strength is is foreign policy (which makes sense, 2008 was a foreign policy election until about six weeks to go), so what's the easiest way to disarm him? Make yourself identical in as many regards as possible. This way, the only difference between the two is on domestic issues, which Romney is hoping the election will hinge on.

Romney's strategy throughout the debates has been smart. Pretend you're as centrist as you can and pick up undecideds and Independents. Sure, you'll piss off the right, but they'll have no choice but to vote for you anyway.

 

[metalslimer]

Romney's strategy throughout the debates has been smart. Pretend you're as centrist as you can and pick up undecideds and Independents. Sure, you'll piss off the right, but they'll have no choice but to vote for you anyway.

This would be a sound position if he were actually leading. Going for tie in all the debates when you're behind isn't going to win you the election.

 

[ivysaur12]

The fact she's REALLY good friends with Jimmy "JJ" Walker is enough to tell me there's more to her.
obligatory Young Dead head Ann pic.

What is that.

 

[Angelus Errare]

This would be a sound position if he were actually leading. Going for tie in all the debates when you're behind isn't going to win you the election.

No but it gives him hope for 2016!...

 

[Angry Fork]

A lot of those bases are there for strategic reasons. Closing them down without a sound plan other than "hurr dur defense spending bad!" is completely idiotic.

If we weren't obsessed with being the #1 mega duper incredible super power we wouldn't need those strategic bases. Sweden isn't putting bases everywhere and they're doing fine. We don't have to treat every country like a potential enemy, just leave everyone alone, we keep to ourselves and give humanitarian aid to those who need it. Why is that such a big deal?

 

[Link]

This would be a sound position if he were actually leading. Going for tie in all the debates when you're behind isn't going to win you the election.

Well, it worked quite well in the first debate, at least. And it doesn't seem like the second debate hurt him much. We'll see how this one affects things.

 

[Raxus]

This would be a sound position if he were actually leading. Going for tie in all the debates when you're behind isn't going to win you the election.

Especially against a man who already is knowledgeable about the subject and whose plan is more than 'go after the bad guys'.

Repeating everything your opponent says is a pretty poor plan actually.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

Call me when Al-qeda has a Navy. I mean if you are really serious about cutting the deficit my first thing would be to build more ships. Just the other week I was talking to my friends about that giant naval battle between the US and Al-qeda. Man, if we only had more ships to fight those guys on land armed with AK-47s, RPGs and IEDs. That would make the difference.

It's almost as if the government would be paying these people to build these ships that we don't need. That would be like saying the government can create jobs, the government is directly investing in private defense subcontractors and would be spending tax payer money to do it. It's a good thing Romney doesn't believe in that.

My last foreign policy class, we discussed how after the cold war Donald Rumsfeld had tried advocating that the military slim down, become more mobile, and more agile as America was the only remaining super power and we'd have no need of conventional armies, that we'd be fighting NGOs etc, but he kept getting blowback from the military/hawks. Then a decade later he's having the same fight with Bush II and eventually lost.

America needs more spec ops and information, less tanks and soldiers.

 

[VariantX]

I was just about to go to sleep, maybe tomorrow. But no, I'm not kidding. I've been on the fence until now, I think the undecided bashing that's been going on since the first debate has soured me on the know it all liberals.

So instead of weighing the positions and policies of the President and that of the republican candidate, you're letting an internet disagreement weigh in on this decision?

 

[EatinOlives]

Romney's strategy throughout the debates has been smart. Pretend you're as centrist as you can and pick up undecideds and Independents. Sure, you'll piss off the right, but they'll have no choice but to vote for you anyway.

It doesn't work when you try to pander so hard you contradict yourself every third sentence, though. Independents are the ones to pick up on these discrepancies more often, as they're the ones who actually pay attention what he's saying.

 

[Arrowgigantic]

This is more of a "Whoa, you go big guy" response, but I like to imagine a "Wubbadubbadub zat true?" "Nope."

 

[DY_nasty]

No shit. A lot of those bases are completely superfluous and complete money sinks too.

Not complete. The bases in Europe have been key in getting all sorts of allied forces ready and into shit in the middle east and eastern Europe. Without them, training, readiness, equipment, travel time, healthcare... logistics in general suffer. You cannot simply "close up shop" with those bases. Not without a plan. Those bases have been far too important.

Do those cost money? Yes. But again, downsizing the military as a whole, then retrofitting equipment while becoming more efficient from top to bottom has been a massive and welcome change to the military's workings.

If we weren't obsessed with being the #1 mega duper incredible super power we wouldn't need those strategic bases. Sweden isn't putting bases everywhere and they're doing fine. We don't have to treat every country like a potential enemy, just leave everyone alone, we keep to ourselves and give humanitarian aid to those who need it. Why is that such a big deal?

Comparing America to Sweden?

 

[Link]

So instead of weighing the positions and policies of the President and that of the republican candidate, you're letting an internet disagreement weigh in on this decision?

Let's not kid ourselves. He already knew who he was voting for. Like I said earlier: disingenuous.

 

[nib95]

I'm convinced. I think I'll vote for Romney. Since the man doesn't matter, and it all comes down to party plan and conviction of principles, I'd have to say that I'm 51% aligned with the republican platform vs. 49% aligned with the democratic one. That should make voting in this election and future elections much easier. Thank you!

Conservative GAF has been pretty embarrassing lately. Two of them (PTC and Baggins?) think Romney wins at everything and anything no matter how much evidence to the contrary. And now Private, you're to vote Romney based on "party plans and conviction of principles" even though not moments ago you weren't even sure what those plans were despite them being available for months now. Lol.

 

[IrishNinja]

I was just about to go to sleep, maybe tomorrow. But no, I'm not kidding. I've been on the fence until now, I think the undecided bashing that's been going on since the first debate has soured me on the know it all liberals.

so you're gonna vote based on a perception of a crowd on the internet
i know a dude who went to a metallica show cause he liked their logo and their fans seemed nice, i mean that's cool but it's a weird metric to use if you were deciding your next leader

A lot of those bases are there for strategic reasons. Closing them down without a sound plan other than "hurr dur defense spending bad!" is completely idiotic.

like western europe, right? the stance should be that remaining bases require justification - we're not gonna be on top forever, it's not our job to police the world man.
TL;DR hurr durr bloated defense spending is indeed bad

 

[RDreamer]

I was just about to go to sleep, maybe tomorrow. But no, I'm not kidding. I've been on the fence until now, I think the undecided bashing that's been going on since the first debate has soured me on the know it all liberals.

If you think that's just a liberal thing then I don't know what to tell you. I'd be willing to bet on a conservative board they'd still be saying the same stuff about people undecided right now, too. They'd be saying that obviously that person should pick their guy, but they'd probably still be frustrated that someone hasn't looked at things yet and made a decision.

 

[metalslimer]

Well, it worked quite well in the first debate, at least. And it doesn't seem like the second debate hurt him much. We'll see how this one affects things.

Nope, Romney was completely aggressive in the first debate. While he may have taken some centrist positions, it was nowhere near the pretty much complete agreement he did with Obama tonight. Romney's aggressiveness combined with switching to more "centrist" stances and Obama's lack of energy was what worked.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Conservative GAF has been pretty embarrassing lately. Two of them (PTC and Baggins?) think Romney wins at everything and anything no matter how much evidence to the contrary. And now Private, you're to vote Romney based on "party plans and conviction of principles" even though not moments ago you weren't even sure what those plans were despite them being available for months now. Lol.

To be fair, Bulbo's kind of become the conservative version of PD.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

If you're voting and can't explain the difference between neo Keynesian econ, and the trickle down Friedman econ, then you really shouldn't have a vote in this election.

lol. I think that requirement would disenfranchise more people than the voter id stuff by a hundred fold.

 

[metalslimer]

lol. I think that requirement would disenfranchise more people than the voter id stuff by a hundred fold.

Well I guess you're still up and just aren't going to respond to anyone else.

 

[DY_nasty]

like western europe, right? the stance should be that remaining bases require justification - we're not gonna be on top forever, it's not our job to police the world man.
TL;DR hurr durr bloated defense spending is indeed bad

eastern europe

while i agree that those bases as they are right now are indeed money sinks and its definitely time for further changes to be made, they're still important to more than just us.

 

[Realyst]

Not slightly, the concentrated mass of GOP defenders are in the south, and do cling to their guns and religion. Obviously it isn't 100% but it is the vast majority this isn't controversial. People who sympathize with leftist ideas should come to the north and then we cut off the south for good. We could set up some program to pay for their housing in the north while they relocate.

Then let the south vote for their own right wing guys and the north will vote for who we want and we'll be able to prosper without leeches holding us back. The confederacy would implode into fascism and slavery within 5 years and it will be a great learning experience for them.




Seriously, there better be a huge concentrated effort on the left to try to get Obama to come back to the left if/when he gets re-elected. They keep spewing this shit about supporting him until he gets in because he's better than Romney well if they get their way they better not turn apathetic and still support his center-right bs.

So, would you also tell northerners who ascribe to these same ideals to relocate down here? Like I said, there is a higher concentration of these types of people down here, but you must agree that these people live in every single state, right? PA, NH, Mass, even NY and Cali have people who match your description to a T. Who do you think keeps electing Bachmann in Minnesota, an extremely blue state?

I've seen racist assholes in some of the most liberal places in this country. You can't try to separate these folks out, because unfortunately they make up a certain percentage of the total population in every region. You can only hope that these perceptions die out fast enough (changing demographics are indeed helping to accelerate this process).

 

[Jintor]

This is more of a "Whoa, you go big guy" response, but I like to imagine a "Wubbadubbadub zat true?" "Nope."

POSE FOR THE FANS

 

[GillianSeed79]

If we weren't obsessed with being the #1 mega duper incredible super power we wouldn't need those strategic bases. Sweden isn't putting bases everywhere and they're doing fine. We don't have to treat every country like a potential enemy, just leave everyone alone, we keep to ourselves and give humanitarian aid to those who need it. Why is that such a big deal?

We are EARTH'S HOPE. The planet son. Romney was in the fortress of solitude and studied the crystals. Did I mention we are the greatest country on EARTH. We need those bases. How the world existed without America is beyond me.

 

[Steelrain]

Wait..is this sarcasm? Because my 10 years living in the south pretty much matches up with this perfectly

Wait....you're White?

 

[ElectricBlue187]

We are EARTH'S HOPE. The planet son. Romney was in the fortress of solitude and studied the crystals. Did I mention we are the greatest country on EARTH. We need those bases. How the world existed without America is beyond me.

But SWEDEN!

 

[nib95]

I was just about to go to sleep, maybe tomorrow. But no, I'm not kidding. I've been on the fence until now, I think the undecided bashing that's been going on since the first debate has soured me on the know it all liberals.

One minute you're not sure about party plans and the next you're voting because of them. Now it's because you're butt hurt about liberals scalding you on being ignorant on party plans, especially so late in the game. Which is it?

 

[Forever]

How do you know Obama won this debate, aside from the overwhelming poll consensus?

CNN is frantically spinning an 8 point spread outside the MOE as a tie.

Glenn Beck is wondering "why vote?"

And longtime conservative GAF posters are pretending to be new converts to Mitt based on this debate.

 

[jbug617]

New Obama site went up.

http://cavalrymenforromney.com/

 

[Angry Fork]

Comparing America to Sweden?

Yes, if we stopped trying to be the world police we would not have the issues we have and we could slim down the military. There's no need for us to care so deeply about owning everything and being the #1 big guy. Let our economy, civil liberties and so on do the talking.

If you don't think Sweden is important then how about Japan? They don't do what we do, they don't even have a proper military anymore. There is no excuse for how much we spend on the military and how many bases we have around the world period except for military industrial complex and imperialism.

 

[teh_pwn]

One minute you're not sure about party plans and the next you're voting because of them. Now it's because you're butt hurt about liberals scalding you on being ignorant on party plans, especially so late in the game. Which is it?

Dude, not cool. He has CNNitist.

 

[7he Talon]

New Obama site went up.

http://cavalrymenforromney.com/

That's awesome!

I missed the debate. Who won?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

If you don't think Sweden is important then how about Japan? They don't do what we do, they don't even have a proper military anymore. There is no excuse for how much we spend on the military and how many bases we have around the world period except for military industrial complex.

And who has provided Japan's defense since occupation?

 

[RDreamer]

That's awesome!

I missed the debate. Who won?

Obama's foreign policy plan clearly won.

I guess it comes down to who you want to carry out that plan, Mitt Romney or Barack Obama. Either way it's pretty well the same according to this debate, lol.