They're one of the better sources on this stuff I believe. And honestly I'd wager someone who can take the time to research this stuff would get more right than someone actively in a debate.
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US Presidential Foreign Policy Debate |OT| Please proceed, governor
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You can tell that they're gut feelings quite easily by the fact that they're full of bile.
ElectricBlue187
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CHINA DONT CARE
CharlieDigital
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Really, CNN?
Next time on CNN: Is Putin a Big Meanie?
I mean, god damn -- it a candidate can't handle this tame level of confrontation and questioning of their position on a soft-ball, PC, televised debate, I don't fucking want them to represent the US in any situation on the world stage that actually requires us to deal with difficult counterparties and make tough decisions.
Fucking-A. What is the media coming to?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This is exactly what is happening--they have seen their viewer base cut dramatically by Fox News.
They think that by acting like Fox News, they'll get those viewers back.
CHINA DONT CARE
Congratulations Republicans, the only country in the world that is for your candidate is Pakistan. You should be proud!
ElectricBlue187
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Israel would probably vote for Romney. I've heard they don't care much for Obama.
RedNalgene
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Stuff like this makes you wonder where (if?) you can get unbiased news anywhere. CNN was one of my go-tos for getting general headlines. Not sure if I'm gonna continue going there from now on.
Yeah it's funny. They will still be viewed as liberal rag according to Fox News viewers and at the same time, alienate anybody sensible. 24 hour news networks have fucked everything up.
Solid performance by Obama last night. He really has a handle on the foreign policy front. YOu could tell Romney has no FP experience, and was just there to regurgitate the latest talking points.
Any ratings out yet?
CNN is a victim of FNC's success. Americans obviously want their news biased
Any ratings out yet?
CNN is a victim of FNC's success. Americans obviously want their news biased
"A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs."
"In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers"
Why not just read the Op-Ed instead of perpetuating something you are unsure of?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=0
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Obama won last night but I found the overall debate rather dull compared to the awesomeness that was the 2nd debate. Romney just doesn't look like he even wanted to defend any of his positions - makes me question his resolve if he were to become President. Not the kind of leader I would want.
Yes, especially to the latter. CNN just cares that it's a close race (with frequent "momentum shifts"), to keep viewer interest piqued. And they sure as hell are doing their part.
Networks and publications love horse race politics because it gets eyeballs.
Journalists and commentators love horse race politics because it's easy as hell to cover. You don't have to trouble yourself with learning anything about policy or coming up with educated predictions on whose presidency would most benefit different segments of the country. You just have to know who sounded most certain, or who was mean, or who looked most presidential while sitting at a table for 90 minutes.
PBS is the best in America, as far as TV goes.
ElectricBlue187
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i remember reading this OP-ED when it was first in the NYT. I remember thinking it was an incredibly stupid position to take for a guy who wants to be President, turns out it did come back to hurt him after all.
Yeah. I don't frequently watch the news, but when I do, it's usually PBS News Hour.
You Are Viewtiful
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Is graph reading not GAF's strong suit? 15% want Romney, 10% want Obama, 75% want neither or don't care.
Yeah, I noted this earlier. It seems clear that the actual winner in Pakistan was "fuck America and fuck you for asking," which is basically the candidate you'd assume would win based on fundamentals.
If only the US could see Romney like the rest of the world huh?
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Most truthful post I've seen on GAF in quite some time.
ElectricBlue187
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its strange that Kenya has the highest percentage of Romney voters. I wonder what thats about. Maybe they are sick of hearing about Obama.
I don't think he does want to defend his positions. Partly because they're toxic. He has something like 17 foreign policy advisors from Bush. You can bet that they're telling him the normal neocon stuff. If he went with his chest thumping rhetoric, he would have looked bad in the debate, because in reality he actually has no fucking clue what he's talking about with regard to foreign policy. I don't mean that as a partisan. I really truthfully think he doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to FP. He's a businessman who's running to turn around the economy. Foreign policy is just something he has to do in addition. He doesn't want to.
So, yeah, he comes into the debate armed with neocon advisors telling him things and not knowing jack squat. His strategy was to just get through the evening without making any mistakes (and he likely would have if he would have gone through with some of his advisors positions, because, again, he probably doesn't understand them at all), and he just used Obama's positions and agreed with them as a crutch to get through the night.
As far as when he gets into office I have no doubt his advisors would be able to push him to whatever position they want, because, again, I get the feeling he really doesn't care about foreign policy. It's secondary to him. He has no convictions there. Say what you will about him being some great business leader, but the guy is absolutely not a leader when it comes to foreign policy. And what's scary is that's one of the biggest things a president actually has control of. And his running mate isn't the sort that can give him any advice at all. It's all up to his neocon advisors.
Omegasquash
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Not if you talk to a Republican, it isn't.
True. But not everyone holds the same view. He made a few decent points about new energy research - but I would hardly consider that above the norm - I am always interested in newer, better, more efficient ways to use energy. That just seems like a no-brainer for the advancement of technology.
LegendofJoe
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If their leadership had a clue they'd pull no punches and report facts regardless of where the bull shit is coming from. People would tune in to watch that. Who wouldn't love to see lying, corrupt politicians get exposed on national tv?
Pakistan have Nukes. Pakistan has been helping us out since it was created.
Overall the graph shows Pakistanis don't care and all they want is the end of drone strikes.
The Lamonster
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PBS pundits called last night a tie. I'm done with them.
ElectricBlue187
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Never consider David Brooks position on anything, ever. He seems like he could be intelligent but he only sees what he wants to see, so he is always wrong about everything.
They mention that further down but said that Romney had more of a problem with Obama going on TV and talking about it rather than actually doing it.
Coming from someone going to vote for Obama on election day, if this is correct, it seems they have a point. It doesn't appear that Romney's issue was that he wanted to ask Pakistan for permission. Looks like a lie.
That is an excellent point - and that scares me a bit. You hit the nail on the head far better than I could have. I'm not up to snuff on foreign policy so I can't comment on the subject material accurately without looking like a jackass, ha!
Sometimes it all comes down to voting on what's familiar rather than what makes sense. Romney claims he'll fix the country overall but people rarely consider what that means to the individual if anything. That's a message that gets lost in most elections.
No, this is what Romney does constantly. He was on both sides of the issue. First he said he wouldn't, then he said it was an option. Fact checkers are apparently unable to handle paradoxes like Mitt Romney, because often times he's been both right and wrong at the same time.
CHINA DONT CARE
wait why would Pakistan want Romney more? I know they're pissed about drone strikes but do they really think a republican would have less of them?
ElectricBlue187
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they don't care who the president is by a wide margin, you have to think at least some of them just picked one at random
or picked against Obama just because he is the current President
well if you look at the graph, only something like 20% of people even had a favorite.
I doubt they know the difference between republicans and democrats. They just know Obama sends drones so they don't like them. Situation would be the same if not worse under Romney.
bingo... Majority of Pakistanis there don't even know who to vote for their own election and go behind any stupid/idiotic rallying cry.
Look at PPP: Zulifqar Bhutto sacrificed himself for Pakistan. Benazair was a maytr for Pakistan.
Zulifqar Bhutto and Ayya Khan was the reason why Bangladesh was created.
Benazair was a corrupt politician and her death was unfortunate...
Look at the Shareef Brothers: Both are corrupt and only care for their own business.
The Army of Pakistan - they do missions without letting the civilian government know about them. :|
While the middle class to apathetic to do anything about. All they do is complain and then complain some more. :|
iamshadowlark
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Well as I see it, I think they lean alot to the right. I was referring to Romney.
Those are the direct witnesses of Obama's birth.
nice
LegendofJoe
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I'm willing to bet that even if the irony in his statement was explained to Ryan it would still go over his head.
speculawyer
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Would this be the same Mitt Romney that wants the government to publicly disclose every facet of our investigation into the act of terror against our consulate in Libya?
recorded after the town hall debate, dan carlin's podcast should be required listening for everyone who watched last night's dick holding competition. depressing as it was clairvoyant.
You Are Viewtiful
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There are more drones under the Obama era than the Bush era, and both Obama and McCain are going to make it worse in the coming years. I imagine the only reason Romney is a few percentage points higher is because he said he'd ask for Pakistan's permission before killing Osama, plus Obama is tried and proven evil.
There are more drones under the Obama era than the Bush era, and both Obama and McCain are going to make it worse in the coming years. There is no lesser evil. I imagine the only reason Romney is a few percentage points higher is because he said he'd ask for Pakistan's permission before killing Osama, plus Obama is tried and proven incompetent when it comes to Pakistan's situation.
No. He's talking about 2008 Mitt Romney, the Libya thing is 2012 Mitt Romney. Totally different Mitt Romneys.
speculawyer
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What are you talking about? Ryan came running down that Battleship Wisconsin!
I'm not sure the phrase "the same Mitt Romney" is fundamentally meaningful. It's a lot like "a rock so heavy God can't lift it" in terms of communicating a concept that can be understood.
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