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[I'm an expert]

While I think trophies for VC would actually fit really well, I don't like them in RPGs..they just don't fit. I know some people love to do challenge runs and speed runs of RPGs but not everyone likes that playstyle for this genre. This is coming from a semi-trophy whore as well. I'm having a blast getting them in RE5, but that's a game that's easy to jump into and replay a certain part. You can't magically warp to any section in an RPG and defeat that boss in a certain amount of time with a certain weapon for a trophy..(this is why VC would actually work, it has chapters) I'm not a 360 owner so I have no idea how achievements worked in RPGs there.

 

[gregor7777]

While I think trophies for VC would actually fit really well, I don't like them in RPGs..they just don't fit. I know some people love to do challenge runs and speed runs of RPGs but not everyone likes that playstyle for this genre. This is coming from a semi-trophy whore as well. I'm having a blast getting them in RE5, but that's a game that's easy to jump into and replay a certain part. You can't magically warp to any section in an RPG and defeat that boss in a certain amount of time with a certain weapon for a trophy..(this is why VC would actually work, it has chapters) I'm not a 360 owner so I have no idea how achievements worked in RPGs there.

The best implementation of achievements/trophies yet was Mass Effect. Getting the achievements for using weapons and skills allowed you to use that stuff for your new game+ characters or even just level 1 characters.

RPGs typically either went mostly story based (LO) or fucking ridiculous grind fests: (BD being by far the worst offender).

If there's a good mix of story based ones and high level ones I love trophies/achievements in RPGs.

 

[Facism]

The best implementation of achievements/trophies yet was Mass Effect. Getting the achievements for using weapons and skills allowed you to use that stuff for your new game+ characters or even just level 1 characters.

RPGs typically either went mostly story based (LO) or fucking ridiculous grind fests: (BD being by far the worst offender).

If there's a good mix of story based ones and high level ones I love trophies/achievements in RPGs.

Yes, Mass Effect did it well. Uncharted also did it well. Thats how i think trophies/achievements should really work, i'd probably give more of a shit about them if they unlocked stuff for you to mess around with.

 

[RurouniZel]

I don't give a damn about trophies period. I don't need a computer to tell me I'm awesome at it's game! XD

On topic, finally the DLC is coming! Wooooo!!

 

[TheChillyAcademic]

The best implementation of achievements/trophies yet was Mass Effect. Getting the achievements for using weapons and skills allowed you to use that stuff for your new game+ characters or even just level 1 characters.

RPGs typically either went mostly story based (LO) or fucking ridiculous grind fests: (BD being by far the worst offender).

If there's a good mix of story based ones and high level ones I love trophies/achievements in RPGs.

Demon's Soul has a very rudimentary but effective trophy system.

Basically:

Kill Boss/Beast/Rare Mob X and get Trophy Y.

 

[Galactic Fork]

Finally got it today. Couldn't resist, Gamestop had their game days sale thingie and VC was half price!

 

[voltron]

so I just started playing Lenneth on PSP and I have a couple Qs...

keep in mind ive never played a JRPG or Squenix game or whatever. Ok so an hour into Lenneth all I have been doing is watching cutscenes with some mercenary and princess. Theres been a couple battles.

Is this what I can expect the whole game to be like? Is there any actual gameplay or what?

 

[AKS]

I haven't seen a trophy/ achievement setup I have liked yet, and I really dislike speed runs with SRPGs. I'd prefer they didn't add trophies to this.

 

[Chrono Helix]

so I just started playing Lenneth on PSP and I have a couple Qs...

keep in mind ive never played a JRPG or Squenix game or whatever. Ok so an hour into Lenneth all I have been doing is watching cutscenes with some mercenary and princess. Theres been a couple battles.

Is this what I can expect the whole game to be like? Is there any actual gameplay or what?

You're in the wrong thread. But stick with that game, it'll get much better soon.

 

[gregor7777]

I haven't seen a trophy/ achievement setup I have liked yet, and I really dislike speed runs with SRPGs. I'd prefer they didn't add trophies to this.

Why would you care if you don't like shooting for them? Just ignore them. No reason to not want other people to enjoy them..

Demon's Soul has a very rudimentary but effective trophy system.

Basically:

Kill Boss/Beast/Rare Mob X and get Trophy Y.

Yeah, LO had achievements like that too which I liked a lot. All of the endgame bosses and quests had achievements.

 

[Ponn]

so I just started playing Lenneth on PSP and I have a couple Qs...

keep in mind ive never played a JRPG or Squenix game or whatever. Ok so an hour into Lenneth all I have been doing is watching cutscenes with some mercenary and princess. Theres been a couple battles.

Is this what I can expect the whole game to be like? Is there any actual gameplay or what?

I totally hope Welkin hooks up with Lenneth instead of Alicia. Or maybe Alicia and Lenneth can get into a valkyrie battle over welkin.

 

[zurra]

Dunno why people are clamoring so much for trophies in Valkyria. Doesn't the game basically have a trophy system already with the medals?

 

[Durante]

Dunno why people are clamoring so much for trophies in Valkyria. Doesn't the game basically have a trophy system already with the medals?

Yes, it has. It would have been nice to just have those represented as "real" trophies but it's not all that important. I'm also surprised at the frequency with which this comes up, it's at least the 5th time in this thread that a significant number of posts are spent on the topic. Perhaps it's because VC is far and away the best PS3 game that doesn't have trophies.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Dunno why people are clamoring so much for trophies in Valkyria. Doesn't the game basically have a trophy system already with the medals?

I don't get it also.

I was playing RE5, the first PS3 game I own that has trophies from the outset (sans patches) and I was not impressed.

In all honesty, the people I played with online wanted some silly or obscure trophy destroyed some team work, not promote it.

 

[gregor7777]

For me it's mostly about comparing goals achieved in a game with my friends. Seeing how far they got in the game and what they were up to.

If the medals are viewable online then that's really all I would need.

I like medals/trophies/achievements as a record of what I've achieved in the game.

 

[gokieks]

There's nothing wrong with wanting trophies. Saying "I refuse to buy a good game unless it has trophies", on the other hand, is completely retarded and asinine.

 

[rykomatsu]

Dunno why people are clamoring so much for trophies in Valkyria. Doesn't the game basically have a trophy system already with the medals?

e-peen contest

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Couldn't resist. Had to go to GameStop and pick this up for $30 while it's still on sale. Installing now.

 

[Chris R]

My gamestop didn't have it on sale, 60$ for the new, 55 for the used. I'll just continue to wait then it seems :|

 

[gregor7777]

My gamestop didn't have it on sale, 60$ for the new, 55 for the used. I'll just continue to wait then it seems :|

Should be nationwide. Maybe they just forgot to tag it?

 

[TouchMyBox]

Trophies would be nice though.

Please no, I don't want to feel the need to go through this game again and not lose a single soldier.

 

[gregor7777]

Please no, I don't want to feel the need to go through this game again and not lose a single soldier.

That's on you man, I haven't played it yet. :lol

 

[Regulus Tera]

Did Alicia get boob implants in the game-to-anime transition?

 

[gokieks]

My gamestop didn't have it on sale, 60$ for the new, 55 for the used. I'll just continue to wait then it seems :|

It may just be they left a copy in the normal PS3 section instead of putting it into the Game Days bins. Ask the employee to do a price check on it, and it should be $30.

 

[BobTheFork]

Please no, I don't want to feel the need to go through this game again and not lose a single soldier.

?? Does nobody understand that you aren't REQUIRED to get trophies?\
If you don't want them, don't get them and let us trophy whores do our thing.
I still can't get all the way through this game, but pissing me off because I like it so much, but DAMN I suck at strat games.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Should be nationwide. Maybe they just forgot to tag it?

Lowering the price of Valkyria could likely be a promotional, only to move back to full price.

 

[gregor7777]

Lowering the price of Valkyria could likely be a promotional, only to move back to full price.

Perhaps.

Loving the game so far by the way. Writing seems awful, but par for the course.

The backdrop story seems different at least.

The gameplay flows very nicely. Controls are easy to use and you don't need to think about them.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Perhaps.

Loving the game so far by the way. Writing seems awful, but par for the course.

The backdrop story seems different at least.

The gameplay flows very nicely. Controls are easy to use and you don't need to think about them.

You are not getting any arguing from me.

The game is great except for the god awful script and how they treat Gen. Selvaria.

 

[blindrocket]

Trophies would be nice though.

Agreed x1000

 

[lunlunqq]

have never paid attention to this game... accidentally stepped into this thread... i love jRPGs and strategy games. so you guys say i should get this game?

 

[Keikoku]

You are not getting any arguing from me.

The game is great except for the god awful script and how they treat Gen. Selvaria.

I liked the characters and some parts of the plot, but the dialogues were mainly embarassing. :/
English VA fix this quit a bit though.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I liked the characters and some parts of the plot, but the dialogues were mainly embarassing. :/
English VA fix this quit a bit though.

I played it in English, so from my experience with the English VA, the script just sucks.

A change in language wouldn't have made a bad script good.

 

[Keikoku]

I played it in English, so from my experience with the English VA, the script just sucks.

A change in language wouldn't have made a bad script good.

I know, I was saying this about embarassing dialogues, japanese made it worse for me.

Also I wouldn't say that the plot sucks, the background is decent, and there are some nice moments. Problem was the narration with all this dumb cutscenes when you only see characters speaking in a stupid square on the screen...

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I know, I was saying this about embarassing dialogues, japanese made it worse for me.

Also I wouldn't say that the plot sucks, the background is decent, and there are some nice moments. Problem was the narration with all this dumb cutscenes when you only see characters speaking in a stupid square on the screen...

The portraits are fine, it is like the Tales skits if Namco actually gave them a budget that doesn't suck.

The problem is the crappy dialog, the presentation was excellent.

What is irritating is having SEGA spoil a HUGE plot twist in the opening, along with showing the plot twists in the frames before you view them. That kind of takes the wind out of the dramatic events.

 

[gregor7777]

The dialog is uncomfortable even in writing...the VA doesn't make it much better. Not too out of the ordinary though.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

have never paid attention to this game... accidentally stepped into this thread... i love jRPGs and strategy games. so you guys say i should get this game?

Yes. Just understand that VC adds some real time elements to the SRPG genre before going in.

 

[Quixzlizx]

have never paid attention to this game... accidentally stepped into this thread... i love jRPGs and strategy games. so you guys say i should get this game?

I don't think there are going to be too many people in this thread not recommending the game to a jrpg/srpg buff.

 

[comedian]

Sorry, should have looked before i posted.

 

[Volcynika]

I don't know if it's already been posted but:



Just read this from http://scrawlfx.com/2009/04/sega-wants-to-create-a-valkyria-chronicles-sequel

Thread on the first page

(As of the time of this post)

 

[Cataferal]

have never paid attention to this game... accidentally stepped into this thread... i love jRPGs and strategy games. so you guys say i should get this game?

I was in your indifferent position until last week. I'd played the demo, and decidedly dismissed this thread every time I saw it pop up. I was convinced the gameplay would be too bare-bones, the characters would lack depth, and that the narrative focus would be too understated to really appeal to a lapsed RPGamer such as myself (being initiated by the golden SNES/PSX era).

And then I noticed the game going out of stock in most retailers. There and then, being the shameless opportunist that I am (and knowing SoA fell to a similar fate), I made the plan to buy low now, and sell for profit later.

Somewhere along the line I caved in, and now I realise how horribly misled my preconceptions of this game were, and how off-putting that demo must be to prospective buyers. This is RPG design at it's finest and most original, and certainly the most addictive I've played in years. It doesn't receive its acclaim by route of a sympathy vote for trying something new and half-succeeding; it's a substancial revolution of a genre that genuinely works, and delivered in style to boot.

So, I say by all means.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Damn, this game is a time-eater. My copy came into today and next thing I know 4 hours had passed. And I've just scratched the surface. I think I spent like 30 minutes putting together Squad 7 for the first time. :lol

Oh, and Vyse is one of my Shocktroopers. Game of the Decade.

Lack of trophies doesn't really bother me. This game is the real deal.

 

[AceBandage]

The portraits are fine, it is like the Tales skits if Namco actually gave them a budget that doesn't suck.

The problem is the crappy dialog, the presentation was excellent.

What is irritating is having SEGA spoil a HUGE plot twist in the opening, along with showing the plot twists in the frames before you view them. That kind of takes the wind out of the dramatic events.

Not that the plot twist would have been surprising anyway, though...

 

[DMeisterJ]

Just bought this at GameStop for 30 bucks.

Can't wait to see the beautiful art meet genre-redefining gameplay.

 

[gregor7777]

Just bought this at GameStop for 30 bucks.

Can't wait to see the beautiful art meet genre-redefining gameplay.

It's very good. Certainly a game with excellent execution.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I sold this and Disgaea 3 about a month ago knowing I would get them back. Got Disgaea 3 about a week ago and today I re-bought this. It's here to stay this time. Will continue right where I left off.

 

[Wag]

OK, I just picked the game up. I don't have time to read through this loooong thread, but before I start playing are there any good strategy guides or websites I should check out?

 

[Regulus Tera]

OK, I just picked the game up. I don't have time to read through this loooong thread, but before I start playing are there any good strategy guides or websites I should check out?

www.gamefaqs.com

Free and often just as detailed as official strategy guides.

 

[lunlunqq]

OK, I will go pick it up. what's about the $30 sales that you guys are talking about? Is it still going on?

 

[gregor7777]

OK, I will go pick it up. what's about the $30 sales that you guys are talking about? Is it still going on?

Gamestop, and I believe so.

 

[lunlunqq]

I was in your indifferent position until last week. I'd played the demo, and decidedly dismissed this thread every time I saw it pop up. I was convinced the gameplay would be too bare-bones, the characters would lack depth, and that the narrative focus would be too understated to really appeal to a lapsed RPGamer such as myself (being initiated by the golden SNES/PSX era).

And then I noticed the game going out of stock in most retailers. There and then, being the shameless opportunist that I am (and knowing SoA fell to a similar fate), I made the plan to buy low now, and sell for profit later.

Somewhere along the line I caved in, and now I realise how horribly misled my preconceptions of this game were, and how off-putting that demo must be to prospective buyers. This is RPG design at it's finest and most original, and certainly the most addictive I've played in years. It doesn't receive its acclaim by route of a sympathy vote for trying something new and half-succeeding; it's a substancial revolution of a genre that genuinely works, and delivered in style to boot.

So, I say by all means.

hmm... if the game is indeed this good, then the demo is a big failure. I played the demo and didn't feel it at all.