Valkyria Chronicles |OT| Beautiful art meets genre-redefining gameplay
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gregor7777
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lunlunqq said:
The demo is a lot like other RPG demos this gen. They drop you off without context and it feels disjointed as hell.
See ToV, BD in particular. All three are really excellent games, and all three have bad demos IMO.
gregor7777 said:
I replayed the demo over 10 times, and I kept setting new objectives for myself like "fewest CP used while killing all enemy units and losing none of your own."
I'm guessing that's the difference in persepctive between the average JRPG fan and a strategy fan. The game is obviously more compelling with a story mode, but I probably would've bought it if it had just been a list of 30 skirmishes (although trophies would've been much more appreciated).
That's just the thing that makes VC my favourite game of the gen this far: often you have to choose between originality and polish when selecting a game. Valkyria Chronicles manages to be decisively original in a genre that has bee somewhat stagnant for a while, while delivering high production values and a lot more polish and depth than expected in all its sub-systems.Cataferal said:
I disagree on the demo though. If you approach it in the right mindset -- that it is a demo showing early missions in a strategy game, where you obviously don't have all options at your disposal -- it works. Of course that is probably not an expectation you can have of the console audience. Still, my interest in the game flared up after the first few minutes of the demo. It managed to show off its radically new approach to SRPG gameplay, and that core demonstration of the system captivated me even with its limited breadth and depth.
Also, BD isn't an excellent game.
Well, BD still probably gets more flak than it deserves. Enjoyable combat system (on hard mode, at least), and a neat job system. If anything, the demo (with hard mode, and most if not all job abilities unlocked, allowing me to experiment and customize my party around) sold me on that game.
Stay in cover, especially on the side she will go to next.
If you have huge problems with the mission or are just generally cheap you can try the cheesy strategy outlined a few pages back. It basically involves covering her (or your snipers?) in smoke and then snipering her from the starting position.
Hcoregamer00
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gregor7777 said:
I disagree, Valkyria Chronicles had an excellent demo.
It did exactly what it was supposed to do, which was to introduce people to a different kind of strategy RPG.
radiantdreamer
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I'm glad people are finally picking up this game and realizing what they had missed. I just wish more people had done that, and earlier too. FOOLS!!! :lol
I decided to capitalize on the Gamestop $30 deal this week and pick up Valkyria. I had been wanting to grab it since Christmas, but it looked like the kind of game I would want to get COMPLETELY absorbed in and I was holding off until I finished a work project. It was going to happen, discount or not. That said, the project wrapped up Friday (for the most part) and I got to spend all day in Gallia. It was everything I had hoped and then some. I played happily through the first 4 chapters very much absorbed and without distraction. The game is thorough, exhaustively complete, and satisfies pretty much every desire in me to have in a console strategy/action-RPG with production value.
I just skimmed some of the posts in the later bits of this thread (I'm not sure if it's consistently expressed by posters throughout) and my feelings contrast with a lot of what's said. I think the demo was actually successful. I think most of the people approaching the demo were just looking to see how the battles would play out and the potential of the depth therein. You could grasp it had something unique to offer from the types of units and the ways the played off of each other and the environment. Of course, there is so much more, and maybe a teasing video that showed the upgrades, potentials, and Training Level-Ups would have gone the extra step or two to convince some folks of the expansiveness of the game.
I also think some of the comments about the text/voice is little too critical. Sure it has lots of anime cliches and rolleyes moments, but it's still done with charm and its own conviction. I'm sure I'm still early on and even then I'm frequently surprised by some of the words and themes at play here. Even when there is a cheesy moment it tends to roll off my cheek because I feel the little ancillary character exchanges and optional cutscenes between battles are building toward something. There's a bit of class here, and attention, that's not present in most games of the same ilk. The war thesis and character interactions are less heavy-handed than Metal Gear, and doesn't repeat itself, insofar as I've played. I'm appreciating that.
Also, is it me is the recent news of Nonaka declaring his hope for it not to be a one-off spurring the blogs to over-exagerrate the whole "commercially a disaster-flop-ton" stuff? I realize it didn't set the charts a-blaze, but was its sell-through that poor?
I just skimmed some of the posts in the later bits of this thread (I'm not sure if it's consistently expressed by posters throughout) and my feelings contrast with a lot of what's said. I think the demo was actually successful. I think most of the people approaching the demo were just looking to see how the battles would play out and the potential of the depth therein. You could grasp it had something unique to offer from the types of units and the ways the played off of each other and the environment. Of course, there is so much more, and maybe a teasing video that showed the upgrades, potentials, and Training Level-Ups would have gone the extra step or two to convince some folks of the expansiveness of the game.
I also think some of the comments about the text/voice is little too critical. Sure it has lots of anime cliches and rolleyes moments, but it's still done with charm and its own conviction. I'm sure I'm still early on and even then I'm frequently surprised by some of the words and themes at play here. Even when there is a cheesy moment it tends to roll off my cheek because I feel the little ancillary character exchanges and optional cutscenes between battles are building toward something. There's a bit of class here, and attention, that's not present in most games of the same ilk. The war thesis and character interactions are less heavy-handed than Metal Gear, and doesn't repeat itself, insofar as I've played. I'm appreciating that.
Also, is it me is the recent news of Nonaka declaring his hope for it not to be a one-off spurring the blogs to over-exagerrate the whole "commercially a disaster-flop-ton" stuff? I realize it didn't set the charts a-blaze, but was its sell-through that poor?
Hcoregamer00
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radiantdreamer said:
Look at the bright side, should a Valkyria Chronicles sequel come out, they will gladly buy it for $60.
It is all going to plan
Elfforkusu
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I don't think the demo was the problem. I just think that nobody knew this game existed!
TelemachusD
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I picked this up a week ago. The only thing I really dislike is how your rank is only dependent on your speed. I would much prefer something more like Advance Wars Power/Technique/Speed scoring. I like to be slow and tactical, I don't like to save/load constantly, and I like to be able to make mistakes and work around them. If you want a good rank, and the massive increase in money/exp that brings though, you have to try to be as fast as possible, and serious blunders require a reload.
I have been trying to mostly ignore the rank and play my way, but the bonuses are so huge.
I have been trying to mostly ignore the rank and play my way, but the bonuses are so huge.
radiantdreamer
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Hcoregamer00 said:
OSAKAAAAA!
Your prayers may very well have been answered. Keep your fingers crossed!
Valkyria Chronicles Producer Interested in Sequel!!!
http://ps3.qj.net/Valkyria-Chronicles-producer-interested-in-a-sequel/pg/49/aid/130279
Hcoregamer00 said:
Spoilers for *several* major plot twists coming up, not just the one HCoregamer's referring to; do not go NEAR this until you've finished the game:
I saw the opening two or three times, and managed to miss it. I'd picked up the foreshadowing in the *plot* as it progressed, but that's arguably fair game.
I wonder if the difference was that I'd not done much research into the *characters* before I got the game? Having come in from a position of relative ignorance (it basically boiled down to "Valkyria Chronicles is an SRPG, and it keeps getting recommended to me. I'd better take a look"), I *hadn't* immersed myself in learning lots of little bits about Squad 7's and the Empire's main characters a long way in advance, so when I watched the intro, it boiled down to faceless people doing things. The only one I really registered from the intro is Selvaria - because she's the one most visibly 'doing cool stuff'. I didn't really know Alicia well enough to spot when she was transforming; I can't recall for certain, but I probably mistook her for Selvaria again.
I did, however, get the spoiler of a large vehicle crashing through the walls of Randgriz; I'm not disputing your main point!
As an aside, the biggest plot twist that I didn't see coming at all - didn't pick up the foreshadowing, didn't expect at all, and doesn't seem to get enough love here - was the Princess's Darcsen heritage. Took me completely by surprise.
I wonder if the difference was that I'd not done much research into the *characters* before I got the game? Having come in from a position of relative ignorance (it basically boiled down to "Valkyria Chronicles is an SRPG, and it keeps getting recommended to me. I'd better take a look"), I *hadn't* immersed myself in learning lots of little bits about Squad 7's and the Empire's main characters a long way in advance, so when I watched the intro, it boiled down to faceless people doing things. The only one I really registered from the intro is Selvaria - because she's the one most visibly 'doing cool stuff'. I didn't really know Alicia well enough to spot when she was transforming; I can't recall for certain, but I probably mistook her for Selvaria again.
I did, however, get the spoiler of a large vehicle crashing through the walls of Randgriz; I'm not disputing your main point!
As an aside, the biggest plot twist that I didn't see coming at all - didn't pick up the foreshadowing, didn't expect at all, and doesn't seem to get enough love here - was the Princess's Darcsen heritage. Took me completely by surprise.
I completely agree with this one. Downright idiotic.
But we can spend a few pages talking about whether or not having trophies would be a good idea and how important it is. I bet that would be interesting!!
More seriously,
88. [PS3] Valkyria Chronicles (Sega) 153,002
was in the just released 2008 Top list. This finally confirms Sega's reported numbers.
More seriously,
88. [PS3] Valkyria Chronicles (Sega) 153,002
was in the just released 2008 Top list. This finally confirms Sega's reported numbers.
Hcoregamer00
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Durante said:
It was released as a "best price" earlier this year, so we have any number with that to include with the sales of Valkyria?
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
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The rolling video demo is what they are talking about.
Hcoregamer00
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Volcynika said:
Only getting the Selvaria pack, nothing more.
Hcoregamer00
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Volcynika said:No love for Edy?
1 mission (Edy) vs. 4 missions (Selvaria)
The Selvaria DLC is a no brainer.
Eteric Rice
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Just got this for $30 at Gamestop.
There was some other game I wanted to tell you guys that was cheap, but I can't put my finger on it... Fuck.
There was some other game I wanted to tell you guys that was cheap, but I can't put my finger on it... Fuck.
SabinFigaro
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Actually, I'm fairly sure that it's a rebalanced difficulty for skirmish missions only, otherwise not having the Edelweiss during some main game missions wouldn't make sense.
SabinFigaro
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Hard-EX baby!Llyranor said:
Hmm, not sure how I feel about that. I'm not a big fan of the skirmishes, since they just appear to be rehashes of the main missions. It just seems like grinding xp/gp. I was hoping HardEX was a harder difficulty for the main story. If it's just skirmishes, I'd be a bit concerned about how difficult it'd actually be, given how overpowered your characters can become.
Are the two mission packs scenarios you access using your current party setup, including level/equipment and such? Or are they balanced with specific characters at specific levels and such? I'm hoping for the latter, since the former would be so variable that balancing would basically go out the window.
Are the two mission packs scenarios you access using your current party setup, including level/equipment and such? Or are they balanced with specific characters at specific levels and such? I'm hoping for the latter, since the former would be so variable that balancing would basically go out the window.
SabinFigaro
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Not sure about the limited party setup (although I doubt it), but I won't be picking this up for the exact reasons you've listed.
The Hard/EX-Hard skirmishes aren't required by any stretch of the imagination - they're more akin of the challenge modes you find in other games (and you need to A-rank the Hard ones to complete all medals).
And having more missions where you need more than just Super-Scout-Alicia is a very good thing.
*is picking up all 3 DLC the day it's released*
And having more missions where you need more than just Super-Scout-Alicia is a very good thing.
*is picking up all 3 DLC the day it's released*
Hcoregamer00
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gokieks said:
Of all the DLC, this one should have been in the game in the first place.
The other two could be justified to some extent.
SabinFigaro said:
Hahahaha. God I always hated it when the computer got a cross-map Lancer / or / Tank shot off. Nothing was worse then loosing a sniper because a tank decided to pop them in the head from a bazillion miles away.
Hard EX looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. I'll actually have to worry about parking people in Line of Sight of anything on the map, as opposed to just making sure they are slightly protected.
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