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Valve Officially announces Source 2. (+ Steam Link + Steam Lighthouse)

Freeman

Banned
My gut says Source 2 won't be an insane state-of-the-art visual engine like, say, Unreal Engine 4 or whatever. Or at least demonstrated as such. Not that it won't look gorgeous, but current Valve doesn't strike me as that sort of company. They'd be more about an engine that scales extremely well across hardware configurations, has tools and workflow very easy to develop with, and excels at processing effects/simulations that have the strongest potential for gameplay (eg: physics).

I would be fine with something like that, I wonder how much VR was on their mind while coming up with their engine and if that translate to anything significant for VR.
 

Watevaman

Member
Hopefully they'll show some new game on Source 2 at E3. To be honest, while I will look forward to whatever HL3 brings, I'm at the point where it's on the backburner in my head. Also, what I failed to think about is how VR focused it might be, which isn't a bad thing, but I hope it doesn't detract for those of us who will be playing it conventionally.

I was actually thinking about it earlier, I would love if someone simply remade HL2 in a modern engine (not Cinematic Mod style). I know remasters get a lot of hate, but if HL3 isn't coming soon, or ever, I would enjoy it.
 

jediyoshi

Member
Valve feels they don't need to make games anymore.(and to be honest, they don't)

Is 'honest' a code word for making shit up?

2013 - Dota 2
2012 - CSGO
2011 - Portal 2
2010 - Alien Swarm
2009 - L4D2
2008 - L4D
2007 - HL2: EP2, Portal
ETC

Let's be honest, they're not making 'games' you want to play, so they're dead to you.
 

cris7198

Member
Enjoy Source 2, because you're not getting a Source 3
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Armaros

Member
Is 'honest' a code word for making shit up?

2013 - Dota 2
2012 - CSGO
2011 - Portal 2
2010 - Alien Swarm
2009 - L4D2
2008 - L4D
2007 - HL2: EP2, Portal
ETC

Let's be honest, they're not making 'games' you want to play, so they're dead to you.

They just change the argument.

"its just f2p garbage'

'I hate online games"

etc etc
 

ChawlieTheFair

pip pip cheerio you slags!
So there is no further info on Source 2? Damn.

Based on how they announced it, it's big thing sounds like it's VR integration, maybe not a graphics horse with something as crazy as source's physics were last time around.
 

markot

Banned
Is 'honest' a code word for making shit up?

2013 - Dota 2
2012 - CSGO
2011 - Portal 2
2010 - Alien Swarm
2009 - L4D2
2008 - L4D
2007 - HL2: EP2, Portal
ETC

Let's be honest, they're not making 'games' you want to play, so they're dead to you.

Dota 2 is pretty much an update of an olde game.

CSGO was made with another dev.

Portal 2, ok, fair.

Alien swarm was pretty much a free tech demo.

l4d was by the turtle dudes who left the company.

HL2 and portal, yep, good.
 
So can I ditch my plans of building an HTPC, and just buy SteamLink...? Consider me doubtful, DAT latency. Will keep by fingers crossed, but I imagine this fuckers gonna need to be hardwired.
 
So there is no further info on Source 2? Damn.

Based on how they announced it, it's big thing sounds like it's VR integration, maybe not a graphics horse with something as crazy as source's physics were last time around.
Yeah, Source 1 was a physics showcase... S2's highlights appear to be ease of user content creation (ca'ching for valve) and VR (which is cool)..... But honestly, I hoped for a revolution in physical simulation and graphics. Where is the Valve of yesteryear, aka make some awesome damn games already! (Instead of diving into a deeper vault of gold coins - Scrooge Mc'duck)
 

JNA

Banned
Is 'honest' a code word for making shit up?

2013 - Dota 2
2012 - CSGO
2011 - Portal 2
2010 - Alien Swarm
2009 - L4D2
2008 - L4D
2007 - HL2: EP2, Portal
ETC

Let's be honest, they're not making 'games' you want to play, so they're dead to you.

I think the deal here when debating this kind of topic goes like this:

"Left4Dead and Counterstrike is just a Half Life mod made by different people, doesn't count."

"Portal and DOTA were also not made by Valve. Valve only bought the developers."

"Alien Swarm? Are we really counting that?"

"The REAL last game Valve has made was Half Life 2: Episode 2. The rest after weren't made by them."

Did I get all the arguments here or am I still missing some?
 
Is 'honest' a code word for making shit up?

2013 - Dota 2 Valve just stole it from blizzard
2012 - CSGO Made by the Defense Grid
2011 - Portal 2 SJW garbage
2010 - Alien Swarm mod
2009 - L4D2 Overpriced patch
2008 - L4D Stolen from Evolve
2007 - HL2: EP2, Portal Under 5 hours, not real games
ETC

Let's be honest, they're not making 'games' you want to play, so they're dead to you.

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There is a certain unrelenting optimism required to think you'll get a single Source 2 title before 2016, let alone the entirety of Valve's stable of IPs updated to the new engine - or Half-Life 3, a game which is pretty much never getting made because of Valve's company structure until there are serious shifts within the company.

But the most fascinating thing is Valve's ability to make themselves obsolete. I was actually quite looking forward to the possibility of a Steam Machine. Until they announced Steam Link. I will always have a work PC in my office. And it needs to be powerful enough to run development tools, which means it's powerful enough to play pretty much every game. That will always be in my house. However, I really don't want to lug my rig into my home theater to play my PC games. I've been contemplating building a HTPC for probably about 3 years now. But if I can just stream my work PC into my theater room, there's no reason to spend $1000+ on a capable second PC. So, thanks Valve, for making a product that completely disinterested me in your other product.
 

Jonm1010

Banned
At this point I'm just guessing half life 3 is going to be announced exclusively on steam for VR using source engine 2.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
But the most fascinating thing is Valve's ability to make themselves obsolete. I was actually quite looking forward to the possibility of a Steam Machine. Until they announced Steam Link. I will always have a work PC in my office.

Why would Valve care? They're not a hardware company. They want you buying games on Steam. If the pathway to make you do that is your desktop, awesome. If the pathway to make you do that is an HTPC box, awesome. If the pathway to make you do that is a little dongle or a streaming box running over your network, awesome. Which OS you use isn't important to them. Which controller you use isn't important to them. Isn't this the story of Valve the last few years? Their corporate motto is "Just pay us our cut, we don't care about the rest".
 
My gut says Source 2 won't be an insane state-of-the-art visual engine like, say, Unreal Engine 4 or whatever. Or at least demonstrated as such. Not that it won't look gorgeous, but current Valve doesn't strike me as that sort of company. They'd be more about an engine that scales extremely well across hardware configurations, has tools and workflow very easy to develop with, and excels at processing effects/simulations that have the strongest potential for gameplay (eg: physics).

I don't necessarily disagree, but isn't this also where Unreal is heading these days?
 

markot

Banned
...that's like saying Battlefield 4 is pretty much an update of Battlefield 2.
Not even a bit. What did they do in dota? Port over characters and moves and stats in a away that would avoid blizz coptright.

Its like calling home world remake a new game.

It takes a lot more to come up with chess, then it does to port chess to a new engine, with some additions.

I mean, they don't even have to make maps. Cause maps scare dota gamers.

Bf4 had new maps for one thing. New weapons, new mechanics, new vehicles...etc... Not that bf4 is that big of a leap, but its clearly more then putting dota into source and monetising it.

Valve has never been big on making stuff, they take over stuff other people have been making. It's just sad cause their best output, half life series, has been their own creation, but the cash cow of dota has taken over. Its just business. Half life 3 won't get 10 million more people on steam.
 
Not really. Dota and Dota 2 are what BF3 is to BF4.
huh

Not even a bit. What did they do in dota? Port over characters and moves and stats in a away that would avoid blizz coptright.

Its like calling home world remake a new game.

It takes a lot more to come up with chess, then it does to port chess to a new engine, with some additions.

I mean, they don't even have to make maps. Cause maps scare dota gamers.

Bf4 had new maps for one thing. New weapons, new mechanics, new vehicles...etc... Not that bf4 is that big of a leap, but its clearly more then putting dota into source and monetising it.

Valve has never been big on making stuff, they take over stuff other people have been making. It's just sad cause their best output, half life series, has been their own creation, but the cash cow of dota has taken over. Its just business. Half life 3 won't get 10 million more people on steam.
huh

jesus christ you people
Soooooo Valve announces an engine but doesn't show off anything.

How NOT to announce a new engine.

just go download the dota workshop tools from last august

bam source 2 on your computer
 
Not even a bit. What did they do in dota? Port over characters and moves and stats in a away that would avoid blizz coptright.

Its like calling home world remake a new game.

It takes a lot more to come up with chess, then it does to port chess to a new engine, with some additions.

I mean, they don't even have to make maps. Cause maps scare dota gamers.

Bf4 had new maps for one thing. New weapons, new mechanics, new vehicles...etc... Not that bf4 is that big of a leap, but its clearly more then putting dota into source and monetising it.

Valve has never been big on making stuff, they take over stuff other people have been making. It's just sad cause their best output, half life series, has been their own creation, but the cash cow of dota has taken over. Its just business. Half life 3 won't get 10 million more people on steam.

Tell you what, when I run by the Valve booth tomorrow, I will run your unassailable truths by them and see how it goes.
 
Cool stuff. So Valve mentioned that Steam Machines will start at a console pricepoint but offer higher performance. Do people still think that they are not intended to compete with game consoles?
 

Suite Pee

Willing to learn
I don't even play Dota and I know that tons of manpower has to go into keeping that game a functional, competitive product. Damn, people.

I'm excited for Source 2 and presumably what they've been pouring a lot of their mountain of cash into.
 
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