I can see the same - I don't see the base SKU going over 399 though. That's what I mean by 'max entry level price'.
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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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I can see the same - I don't see the base SKU going over 399 though. That's what I mean by 'max entry level price'.
Canis lupus
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The 360 sold out for an entire year almost.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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There's not more that 20-30 million of those guys, many of which already have beastly PCs and are in fact likely to move on from the next batch of consoles in a few years, when PC takes another big leap forward. Both Sony and Microsoft would do well to only make a modest hardware upgrade and focus on other things in order to grab the general public's attention.
It will sell great to gamers. Keep in mind that many people are still paying $300 for 7 year old consoles now. We can't realistically keep expecting consoles to offer a good leap while remaining at the $300 price point, inflation is something that should be considered.
IF they can communicate, through good marketing, that these new consoles offer a nice leap in performance and feature-set, there's a good chance they will sell great. IIRC the 360 was sold out for the first 4 or 5 months with the vast majority of SKUs being the $400 model.
In a world where $500+ ipads are selling like crazy, there's no reason to think people won't spend $400 for a full game console as long as the company does it's job and advertises the product properly.
Plus there's always the option of spending $200 and signing up for a payment plan for the next 2 years. As long as the total evens out to a great deal, or at least even to the total package received, it should help sales.
I can see both companies releasing a $499 SKU.
In terms of price, I'd be willing to pay up to £350 max. Saying that I wouldn't be getting it in the first year anyway.
As for backwords compatibility, if the method of using a USB dongle or something worked, that would be ideal. I'd be willing to pay like £50 for something like that if that's how it was priced. I mean they wouldn't need all of the PS3 parts would they? Wouldn't it be a mix of both hardware and software emulation?
As for backwords compatibility, if the method of using a USB dongle or something worked, that would be ideal. I'd be willing to pay like £50 for something like that if that's how it was priced. I mean they wouldn't need all of the PS3 parts would they? Wouldn't it be a mix of both hardware and software emulation?
LiquidMetal14
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It's fair to say that Sony has learned a lot in terms of how to put together good but not bank breaking HW with the Vita. They should be moving forward with that mentality with the PS4 so I really wouldn't expect something above the 500 range. Those days may not be gone but I can see the PS4 going for 400 or less pending some of the HW bits are what they seem to be.
I also like the idea of both next gen console makers sticking to similar HW in terms of throughput. It will make next gen development easier than people think. To have something like CELL on PS3 and something that 360 has is rather painstaking for devs so I'm hopeful that the next Sony/MSFT platforms won't be so polarizing.
I also like the idea of both next gen console makers sticking to similar HW in terms of throughput. It will make next gen development easier than people think. To have something like CELL on PS3 and something that 360 has is rather painstaking for devs so I'm hopeful that the next Sony/MSFT platforms won't be so polarizing.
That's Euroland. In U.S. PS2 launched at $299 which is a pretty sweet spot for console launches. $399 seems to be getting safer.
The $500 - 600 price range is "Why the fuck don't I just get a PC?" area and it hurt Sony this generation. Don't know how anyone could argue the PS3 launch price didn't hurt Sony. Now with their name/branding not carrying the weight it used to and the economy being fucked they would be absolutely insane to launch at $500 or more.
Edit: fixed stupid hopped up on cold/flu medicine spelling errors
Horsemama1956
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Better hope it's fully upgradable then.
H_Prestige
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I don't think Sony gives a shit enough to even offer that.
iamshadowlark
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I don't see how anythings certain. All of the credible rumors have the Next Xbox as a rather modest media focused console. The whole money thing is not really a good talking point this gen. TDP limits will be hit way before budget limits will.
Can't wait for E3.
All the rumours are suggesting Sony will launch later and will cater their device to gaming. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sony system comes out as 20-25% more powerful. Microsoft wants to make a cable box with a 5-8X jump (which was leaked in their own documents) and a Kinnect included.
LiquidMetal14
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I can see his point but I also don't want compromise into sub 30fps. If PC games still have FOV and slider options for graphics, they will still be the version to buy because of the scalability of PC. And also for higher frame rates, of course. This is why PC will always continue to walk stride for stride with consoles and stay ahead. I'm not going to get into all the other benefits like mods since it's a given.
Needless to say, I'm also sharing Heavy's view in terms of being severely disappointed with the resolution compromises made on consoles. That needs to end starting with the next round of HW.
Yet people have no problem buying Iphones and Ipads.
LiquidMetal14
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People always forget that. I'm sure there will be the excuse of portability and all that but tech people will always flock to tech. If it happens to be affordable then that makes it all the sweeter. If iPad's launched with the rumored next gen spec, at todays rates, they would cost like 2-3k
I hate that comparison to begin with because it adds nothing to the console conversation.
Play with your tablets and play with your consoles/PC's. They can co-exist.
Yes and 600 UNITED STATES DOLLARS. I don't see this being an issue next gen though so thank goodness this will not be the case next gen.
yurinka
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I think this time PS3 will be somewhere between $299 or $399 and that both Vita and PS3 will get a pricecut before the PS4 release.
With Vita they proved that are learning from their previous devices.
You have over a year. Start saving now.
I have saved some money but 399$ it's too much for my taste even if I have it.
Then wait until the hardware gets cheaper.
LiquidMetal14
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It's not that hard to save up enough money for a year to afford both next gen consoles.
It's a matter of commitment and will power. Save hundreds and don't touch it. Dig in if you're in financial peril but if you're locked in to saving, it's a breeze. Just add 5-20 a week and you will, at the very least, have enough to put down substantial amounts towards both by next July.
It's a matter of commitment and will power. Save hundreds and don't touch it. Dig in if you're in financial peril but if you're locked in to saving, it's a breeze. Just add 5-20 a week and you will, at the very least, have enough to put down substantial amounts towards both by next July.
Totally pointless since the early adaptors don´t give a fuck about a low price, they want powerful hardware and awesome games.
LiquidMetal14
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I wouldn't complain if they had a SKU with 4GB flash storage for 299. I am probably gonna go high end and get their bigger storage unit (assuming they offer different configs). I've done so with basically every console that has had an HDD SKU. PS3 with 500, 360 with 60(got it used), and I got a 32GB card for the Vita. I can and will go higher end when it comes to these things. Nothing worse than having to clean out the fridge.
I still don't understand how Apple has done it so that a lot of people are willing to buy a new one every year. And in this shitty economy.
Hell, I have a hard time buying just one model and I don't have a bad income either.
I think a lot of people overstimate the early adaptors numbers. 360 has sold a lot thanks its low price barrier, ps3 has been screwed just for this.
You're getting dangerously close to an Apple-Drone conversation. Also iPhone's are largely subsidized by carriers, which is something similar to what MS is trying to get started which may actually work if these consoles are overpriced. Also with the economy and people buying these yearly renditions of Apple products it's going to be hard to fit a $500 console purchase in there.
People always forget that. I'm sure there will be the excuse of portability and all that but tech people will always flock to tech. If it happens to be affordable then that makes it all the sweeter. If iPad's launched with the rumored next gen spec, at todays rates, they would cost like 2-3k
I hate that comparison to begin with because it adds nothing to the console conversation.
Play with your tablets and play with your consoles/PC's. They can co-exist
Samsung, Sony and every other manufacturer would love to crack the secret to Apple being able to sell yearly hardware updates at a premium. It's a juggernaut phenom that is still gone unanswered. Regardless the comparison doesn't fit no matter anyways, the vast majority of iphone buyers aren't tech heads, and tech heads have always been a niche group that doesn't fully push console successes.
And it still comes back to can you honestly say the $500-600 launch price of PS3 didn't hurt Sony this gen?
Tallshortman
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I don't see how it's possible one of them could sell it at Wii U price. Then again, the Wii U could see a price drop if sales aren't good or they anticipate they'll get priced out of the market.
I don't know me too, but it's better for them to find the way to have the lower price point possible, because I don't think 399-499$ will allow to sony to have good numbers. I have in mind the last psvita. The economy is in terrible conditions & will not change for years.
Should´ve mentioned that 600€/$ is of course a tad too high but that wasn´t the only problem, maybe not even the worst. The PS3 launch lineup was godawful and there was also a complete lack of must have exclusives till late 2007/early 2008.
Release the PS4 for 400-500 bucks, bring the megatons from the start and it will sell.
I doubt it, honestly
ThisWreckage
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This won't be a problem with the next Sony console because they spent the entire generation building up exclusive franchises.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Didn't we hear this about PS3, too? Something about 120fps? My memory is a bit fuzzy.
DragonKnight
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Some of you guys really forget how much of a gaming minority you are in. I mean people here are really championing six hundred dollars consoles? Oh thats right. I can just save up. Christ. Guess all ps3 owners have no debt and six figure incomes. I can afford one but thats a huge pill to swallow. The ps2 would not have seen thd penetration it did at that price.
120 fps wasn't refered to the game, If I remember right. In any case, yeah, they claimed 1080p on ps3 too, this is sure.
Naughty Dog saved Sony's ass this gen
Wouldn't it be a bigger meltdown if the PS4 actually gets to be so much weaker than the industry can't port games? A true 3 way split (though it won't happen) would be even more glorious then.
This is the point. No way ps4 will sell good priced 400-500$.
99% of games that people actually buy consoles for will still be found on both Xbox and PS. Whichever console launches cheaper has a big advantage.
Also it looks like multimedia functions will be the big selling point next gen. Whoever nails those the best will probably win the gen.
Also it looks like multimedia functions will be the big selling point next gen. Whoever nails those the best will probably win the gen.
The PS2 launched for around 500 bucks 2000 in Europe. And that was without Memory Card, a game or anything else.
But the economy was in a complete different situation & the game industry too. We are in recession.
DragonKnight
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Im mainly looking at guys like thuway. You think sony wants to release a product thst only a marginal percent of their fanbase can afford? Ok. So those guys buy em up. What next? Price drops dont exactly happen every year in the beginning. I would totally be on board with a way of subsidizing that price.
And PS2 had hardly any worthwhile competition. It was basically seen like the only choice here in EU. That's not the case going to next gen.
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Not to mention it was the successor to the ps1. The ps3 does not have that kinda pull.
NemesisPrime
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Lol no... all the (fanboy) rumors on GAF you mean.
I think nobody is expecting the next PS to do PS2 numbers. Something around 80-90 million in a 10 year life cycle (like 360 and PS3) should be more than fine.
Oh that's for sure. But I have the big suspect that new generation will struggle to reach even the ps360 userbase, this is why I think lower price isn't it an optional choice.
It will be $600-700 here in Aus. Maybe even $800 if our greedy retailers mark it up enough.
I'm happy to pay that price for the Next Xbox. As long as it's some what state-of-the-art, which by the rumors stated, is apparently so.
If they deliver any less than that. They'll be eaten alive by the phone and tablet era. This system has to last till 2020 people (and i really don't think it is feasible to last that long. Not with technology the way it is advancing at the moment and will be in the future). They can't afford not to be indulgent.
What was the news about Intel wanting to create a supercomputer within phones by 2017.
Christ, I'd hate to be an engineer on these systems (double edged sword, who wouldn't haha). The forward thinking that would have to be implemented would be immense.
This console cycle will be the worst i believe in holding up with technology. It's not like current gen where technology has been at a crawl pace.
Where talking about SUPERCOMPUTERS in our pockets by 2017. What a world it will be.
I'm happy to pay that price for the Next Xbox. As long as it's some what state-of-the-art, which by the rumors stated, is apparently so.
If they deliver any less than that. They'll be eaten alive by the phone and tablet era. This system has to last till 2020 people (and i really don't think it is feasible to last that long. Not with technology the way it is advancing at the moment and will be in the future). They can't afford not to be indulgent.
What was the news about Intel wanting to create a supercomputer within phones by 2017.
Christ, I'd hate to be an engineer on these systems (double edged sword, who wouldn't haha). The forward thinking that would have to be implemented would be immense.
This console cycle will be the worst i believe in holding up with technology. It's not like current gen where technology has been at a crawl pace.
Where talking about SUPERCOMPUTERS in our pockets by 2017. What a world it will be.