BurnOutBrighter
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1080p60 sounds impossible on that hardware.
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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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Despite what the majority of GAF thinks, the console will not be just an A10 flying solo. An A10 (at 1TF) with a 885/70 downclocked will be target. It will be a damn amazing generational leap.
VivaPapaya
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I have some shocking news for your ego... You were playing (..) with toys all the time.
so you say "next gen consoles will use direct x" then when someone says "no opengl" you post al ink that confirms what he says as if it is an argument against it.
OpenGL is like direct x, its a competing graphics library and the PS4 will almost certaintly use their own version of openGL that is optimised for the ps4's hardware (even if it is standard pc parts)
the ps3's problem wasn't its graphics libraries, perhaps the documentation was a bit on the iffy side. the problem with the ps3 was coding in such a way so that it ran better on the Cell which was a very different architecture
That developers are going to target 1080p with 60 fps. The vast majority of the games will target 30 fps. And I am sure we will continue to see 20 fps games on the next gen consoles as we do on this gen (see AC3)
If those games look like damn near CG, I'm ok with this. Our PC's will thanks us later.
iamshadowlark
Banned
From what I've read, PSN developers don't even get a full PS3 dev kit. They get a debug PS3 for around $1200. I don't think it would be much of a problem at all to emulate those games. I doubt they use anything far outside the standard libraries.
Well yeah, I notate games that release on Blu-ray as full fledged titles, if they appear on PSN also its still the same case. I think its still case-by-case though, if at all. I don't see a one-size fits all approach working well.
in 6th and 7th year of the console ? Yeah
Hey, aren't you that guy who was close to Guerrilla from the start of KZ's production, right? Is it still like that? Can you ask for some info?
Dirtyshubb
Member
Seeing more and more info slowly coming out about the PS4 is seriously getting the hype going for me, I have already decided long ago that unless something huge happens on the other consoles this will be the only next gen one I get (unless there is a PS Vita 2 but I doubt that would happen sadly).
Reading about how well the OS should be integrated is a huge thing in my eyes, being restricted in that sense with the PS3 is something I wish I could change so this is great news.
Also I am hoping that with regards to BC they will have Gaikai ready for PS4 and that will work by letting you stream all your PSN owned and PS+ games to the PS4 which would make it a lot easier for them plus the thought of having the hundreds of games I have in either full retail, PSN, PS2, PS1, Mini playable and not having to store them locally would be huge!
Of course they may even go the subscription route and let PS+ members stream any game they have but that could be tricky in comparison to just letting you play already owned games but lets hope.
Cant wait now for next gen to hit and im not even bothered about price, I paid £425 for my original 60GB slim and never regretted it.
Sony, bring it on!
Reading about how well the OS should be integrated is a huge thing in my eyes, being restricted in that sense with the PS3 is something I wish I could change so this is great news.
Also I am hoping that with regards to BC they will have Gaikai ready for PS4 and that will work by letting you stream all your PSN owned and PS+ games to the PS4 which would make it a lot easier for them plus the thought of having the hundreds of games I have in either full retail, PSN, PS2, PS1, Mini playable and not having to store them locally would be huge!
Of course they may even go the subscription route and let PS+ members stream any game they have but that could be tricky in comparison to just letting you play already owned games but lets hope.
Cant wait now for next gen to hit and im not even bothered about price, I paid £425 for my original 60GB slim and never regretted it.
Sony, bring it on!
Wipeout HD, Journey, full retail games, etc etc all have pretty high reqs. I dont get people who think PSN BC is going to be easier.
Hey, aren't you that guy who was close to Guerrilla from the start of KZ's production, right? Is it still like that? Can you ask for some info?
He'll have more fun stringing an entire forum along. Don't think you'll get any more info from him beyond vague teases.
iamshadowlark
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Man, this is like the third time that im saying not full retail games.
Chuck Norris
Banned
He's notHey, aren't you that guy who was close to Guerrilla from the start of KZ's production, right? Is it still like that? Can you ask for some info?
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Hey, aren't you that guy who was close to Guerrilla from the start of KZ's production, right? Is it still like that? Can you ask for some info?
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iamshadowlark
Banned
We really don't have any good indication as to if its the latter or the former at this point. Could be either/or.
iceatcs
Junior Member
The rumour seem more of reasonable. It didn't seem so exotic or crazy techs as far as I can see. ie nuclear-powered CPU or rumours of 720 will have 16 cores. etc..
It is look like a simple built-your-self from AMD products. I don't think it have be so expensive.
IrishNinja
Member
With how the specs are looking I hope they're targeting 720p30. Better asset base for the PC port.
seventynine
Member
Pixel Junk Shooter 1&2 required a lot of the PS3 for the fluid dynamics for example. There's no distinction between PS3 native games on PSN like there is on the Xbox 360.
This is something that I also wonder. Consoles mimicking powerful pc's is not advisable at this point in time.
Because all the fans in this thread want it that way.
I can only imagine the melt downs from some people here if the ps4 doesn't turn out to be the strongest of the 3 consoles next gen. It would be glorious.
Why? I see nothing wrong with it. I don't care if it's the ps4 or the 720, but I do want one of them to be a good jump from current gen.
I think most sensible speculation would forecast a max $399 entry level price with whatever Sony can afford to put in at that price.
I think the run of rumours we've had is in line with that.
If the system is along the lines we've been led to believe, i think it'll be enough for the software to deliver a good leap.
iamshadowlark
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There's distinction. PSN developers don't even get a full devkit. I have a copy of a semi-old PS3 TRC and I will comb thru it when I get off in about a hour and post some more differences.
SuperSonic1305
Member
Wants super powerful console
Complains when it costs $600
Complains when it costs $600
I should have put "lol" in the spoiler...
That's what you're going to get. And it'll be awesome.
The fans in this thread are the absolute smallest group of gamers. You and I do not represent gaming today. Catering to the smallest segment or group is not advisable. It will be like car manufacturers making F1 cars for the majority of car drivers out there.
Krauser Kat
Member
Pretty much.
Without knowing all the features, and how much of the cost the company is willing to eat, there is no telling how well these systems will cater to the mass market.
If Sony can produce a console that provides a good jump, offers great multi-media functionality, and is able to sell it for $400-$500, it could sell great if it's accompanied by great marketing.
Infact if you're following the rumors Sony won't make a super expensive, state of the art hardware again.
They're looking for a generational leap compared to the PS3 (roughly 10 times the PS3 power) at a relatively affordable price (400$).
The good news is that so many years after the PS3/360 launches we don't need the latest GPU on the market to deliver that kind of leap.
Details about how they can achieve their goals (DDR3,4, GDDR5, embedded or not, discrete GPU or just APU, unified memory pool or splitted) are of course a matter of speculation.
The more awesome thing is, with architecture gains and modest pricing, they can achieve 12-15X PS3 rather easily. Technology has really take three steps forward in the last 7+ years.
FalsettoVibe
Member
I don't think we have to worry here. It'll be powerful. This is Sony we are talking about. Somebody's console has to run the new Unreal 4, CryEngine 4 and Luminous engines. Sony isn't about to let Microsoft's next console be the only powerful one.
E3 is going to be off the chain.
E3 is going to be off the chain.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
One thing I mentioned to a friend on chat with knowledge on the situation is that these are discreet gaming machines. Not that they don't have to multitask and play things like music in game but these are dedicated machines with set HW that can be optimized to hell and back.
So even with the rumored specs (which are incomplete mind you), you really are talking not just 10x more powerful but overhead above that. I can't put a finger on it because we don't have final HW in front of us but I think the advances made in the last 3 years alone have been great.
So even with the rumored specs (which are incomplete mind you), you really are talking not just 10x more powerful but overhead above that. I can't put a finger on it because we don't have final HW in front of us but I think the advances made in the last 3 years alone have been great.
NemesisPrime
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Almost certainly the new 360 will be the more powerful console. MS just can afford it. I expect a modest console from Sony because that is really what their business needs to get healthy. Good price, big numbers and profit from day one.
Yeah Im good with that, obviously $399 sounds way better than $499 but its hard to imagine them hitting the specs that everyone will want for 400 bucks at launch.
seventynine
Member
There's no distinction at the consumer end for PS3 native games though, PSN games encompass everything from full retail releases through to Joust. While I don't doubt there's a cut down version of the dev kit for XBLA ports I do doubt the likes of Linger in Shadows and Journey were made with it. Any BC in PS4 (internal or external hardware/with or without software emulation) will have to be 'all in', otherwise it'll just be a confusing mess for the consumer.
Sell great to who? At $400-$500 consoles are not likely to sell well. You and I (the enthusiasts) are more likely to drop $400+ on a new console, the problem is the overwhelming majority of gamers will most likely wait. You should also remember that financially speaking many people are not doing well now. So $400+ might prove to be a bit steep.
Ironic considering the power of the PS3 compared to the 360, with the 360 often coming out on top in most multiplats.
Do you realize how hungry hardcore gamers are for a new console? A $449 console, will sell out irrespectively. The only way it doesn't sell out is if it didn't have any software. As long as Sony doesn't cross the $499 border again, we are A-OK.
Napalm_Frank
Member
450-499 launch with price dropping fairly aggressively before next holiday season is what I'd imagine it will be. No way is it under 400.
that'd be good for PC gamers though. lower framerates on console (or even 720p/30) would mean much more detailed assets, and then you PC guys can exercise your muscle to get the framerate and resolution back up.
I respectfully disagree. Did the Xbox360 and Ps3 sell out at $400+?
Brad Grenz
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Yeah, that's how console cycles have always worked. The hardcore are the first to buy in at the higher price range and eventually the price drops to where it is more palatable to larger and larger audiences. And people's finances may not be doing well, but Apple still seems to be able to talk millions into spending $500+ on premium tablets with great regularity. Whatever the market is for a $400 console, it's not nearly as paltry as you surmise.
Yeah, that's how console cycles have always worked. The hardcore are the first to buy in at the higher price range and eventually the price drops to where it is more palatable to larger and larger audiences. And people's finances may not be doing well, but Apple still seems to be able to talk millions into spending $500+ on premium tablets with great regularity. Whatever the market is for a $400 console, it's not nearly as paltry as you surmise.
doesn't a WiiU deluxe pack at $350 give MS and Sony more leeway on price?
I can see a $399 base sku and a deluxe sku at $499 (with the $499 being the one we'd all want)
I can't see them surviving if they launch another $500 console. Not unless they follow the MS route and roll out some in-store financing/subscription model to get the consoles to people. Not in this economy even if recovers. On top the game prices which i'm fully expecting to take another jump somehow.