GazzaScotland
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I just wish they had a screenshot of the "Durango Specs" page. With everything going about, would be nice to see what the XDK says.
VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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NemesisPrime
Banned
Welcome to a Google world. BTW you are spied on every day by many, many corporations and goverments.
If it wasn't for the always part, I think you could make that argument. Always is pretty clear though. I do agree that the wording is different but the intention behind the wording is the same.
Impeccable
Member
Install, ties to a certain Xbox, no used games.
Everyone wins!
Everyone wins!
Thanks. I have no problem with Kinect game integration (if it doesn't work well, I simply won't buy the game) - but the idea of a Kinect enabled, always-online, always-on box in my living room just ain't happening for me.
I don't think Microsoft themselves will 'spy' on individuals, but security is a huge risk. If hackers know the new Xbox has a camera that's always online, on and in millions of living rooms, it'll be a huge target.
Not sure if this is a serious post, but there's no way in hell I trust Microsoft to handle all of that responsibly.
And I definitely won't go along with it if it means Microsoft 'collecting' information about your living room/family/habits etc.
But some of the 'fear' is warranted. Or at least major concern.
What about the info saying MS wants to use the new always connected Kinect to analyze what's in the room to serve up better ads, etc.? You xbox sees a Patriots logo and starts serving you up related ads. MS will make boatloats with targeted ads like that. I consider that a huge invasion of privacy and I don't want ads like that. Even if subsidized I wouldn't want ads like that.
Joel Was Right
Member
Does this news confirm that the next Xbox will not support used-games?
Not really but ok. Again i have to ask, if "mandatory online" is the intention then why doesn't the doc outright state it? You know, like it did for Kinect and disk instals?
Nope. Doesn't confirm whether they will or not.
Depends if they tie installations to accounts or consoles.
There might be other elements that make it more complicated like if Internet drops the game doesn't kick you out.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Again. Nintendo talking about the Wii's WiiConnect24 "ALWAYS connected".
gaming_noob
Member
My gf's father's coworker was being interviewed for a government position a few months back and apparently this person came out of the interview shaking because of how much they knew about who he was/is, how he lived/lives, what sites he visited/visits, his relatives and ancestors, etc. Quite scary.
BigJoeGrizzly
Neo Member
Why are people here being so blindly ignorant? The idea of "always on, always online" is the same exact intention of the PS4. How can anyone read that statement regarding the next Xbox and assume that FOR THEM it must mean being "always online" is "online required"? Some people are just purposely choosing that mindset because they want to make their console choice an easier decision.
Lets make one thing clear, BOTH Sony and MS want you to have their consoles consistently connected to the internet. Why wouldn't they? I would think as a consumer you would as well. That way, you assure that your console and games will be as up to date as possible even while you're away. Its not that when you're offline, you won't be able to play games, its that your OS or games won't be up to date. That's no different from playing a game offline now, and not being able to get the patch updates because you lack a connection to the network. People need to wise up.
Lets make one thing clear, BOTH Sony and MS want you to have their consoles consistently connected to the internet. Why wouldn't they? I would think as a consumer you would as well. That way, you assure that your console and games will be as up to date as possible even while you're away. Its not that when you're offline, you won't be able to play games, its that your OS or games won't be up to date. That's no different from playing a game offline now, and not being able to get the patch updates because you lack a connection to the network. People need to wise up.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Obviously they will never tie games to physical consoles.
Plenty of people I know have hard shocks in interviews last few years. Always be careful what you post or do online
. Most of your "different" acounts can now be easily linked with all the information they track. You future employer *will* look you up online... be 100% sure of that, even if you flip burgers.I'm definitely expecting them to tie it to accounts though.
It definitely can mean some sort of abstract thing such as if the console is on and connected then it can automatically update. That said, the console wouldn't always be online.
phosphor112
Banned
You're talking about a company that:
- Came 6 years late to HD.
- Just last year got rid of "friend codes."
- Accounts that are locked to systems.
- Haven't found a way to tie Wii purchases to your 3DS/Wii U account.
How is this any different to the cameras and microphones in your smartphone or tablet? Or the cameras and mics in all Samsung's top-end TVs?
Xenon
Member
Hey look more ultra passionate debate about a product that isn't even announced yet... I'm afraid to see where this all goes once it's fully announced. Even moreso if Sony confirms much of the same rumored features as Durango. But then I suspect all dat passion will trickle to a whimper if that happens.
Impeccable
Member
It does a little bit.
Install and take back the game!
I mean I get you could have to have the disc in the tray to play but that doesn't make much sense to me.
Not even "a little bit". It makes zero indication of whether it will support or block used games.
Impeccable
Member
How does that not make sense. You never played PC games before Steam became big?
You haven't installed a 360 disc to the HDD?
After an install it just checks for the disc....ANY copy of that exact games disc...doesn't have to be the same exact disc, just the same game.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
People don't masturbate in front of their smartphones? ;-)
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
No, but a person who post here and works for MS is celebrating that they can now install games and swap between them and never swap discs. So what does that say about used games? Clearly MS isn't going to allow people to pass one disc around, so the game is probably "used up" via being tied to an account (think Vita games free with PS3 discs like Sly). The next question is can you buy a "used" disc and reactivate it for a price? The problem with this is who will control the activation price, it will never be really market based. So while a traditional used game price would nose dive for certain titles, the re-activation price will be fixed (say always $20), hence it is an arbitrary price fixing of used games. Good for some, bad for others.
Impeccable
Member
Well considering how easy it was to "no-CD" patch a game back in the day so you didn't have to swap discs perhaps I'm naive.
GuitarAtomik
Member
That's largely irrelevant. My point is the context of "always" doesn't have to mean "mandatory".
BrokenEchelon
Banned
What do you want to bet that they'll allow Publishers to decide whether to tie an installation to a console?
Buying a SP only game? Fuck you, locked to console.
MP biased games like CoD? Of course you can resell them, but you'll need a $20 online pass when you buy it used.
#2013+ #gaming
Buying a SP only game? Fuck you, locked to console.
MP biased games like CoD? Of course you can resell them, but you'll need a $20 online pass when you buy it used.
#2013+ #gaming
This makes sense to me, but I would be surprised if the re-activation price was that low, why wouldn't they just charge $60($70?) for that too? None of the rumors so far have really been in the interest of benefitting gamers... milk us for every last dime!
That can be a problem (usually used in illegal mods on consoles where they don't pay for the game).
I use to crack my store copies too on PC, lol. Before (and during the early years of) Steam it was great not needing a CD by dropping a no-CD crack on a game.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Maybe... it will require some nifty technology to actually do this TBH for a physical disk. That means the disks will need some sort of unique ID. MS has not filed a patent for that as far as I know, Sony has.
Then again they might go the PC route and include a key in the manual... not very consumer friendly IMHO. You can get away with it for PC, but the console crowd is more casual.
Like I said before... the API to do this will be there for both Sony and MS, and it will be up to the publishers to use this or not.
flamingotripod
Member
Exactly. People just hear what they want to hear.
Yes - I thought a little bit about it - what if they include a little RFID chip in the box for verfication? So if the box is stored within a certain range the game will start without a disc. If you store your boxes outside this range you have to insert the disc.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Not confirmed but at this point it would be very very easy for them to.
Xenon
Member
No not at all.
How can that not make sense? It's the same way it currently works for disk installs on the Xbox, PC and PS3. Is having the install automatic the thing that is hanging you up? The PS3 does that already. The only difference is now you won't have to go and make a sandwich.
NemesisPrime
Banned
They would have to include an RFID reader... probably not going to happen
but that sollution would actually support used games. There is one flaw... RFID chips can be easily copied or tampered with
infinityBCRT
Member
I think the ultimate consumer friendly solution would be to tie that disc to your account when you install it, but when someone else installs that disc to their account, it gets untied from your account.
That way they completely eliminate disc swapping, but they still allow used games.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
I wonder if Edge and VG have the same sources.
They would have to include an RFID reader... probably not going to happen
There is one flaw... RFID chips can be easily copied or tampered with
It could be any kind of chip after all
In my dream world they'd offer both options:
1) Don't tie the game to my account: Disc has to be in the drive when I play it. Disables quick switching, allows to resell. Offline only with disc in system.
2) Tie the game to my account: No disc required, enables quick switching, eliminates resell but allows you to install anywhere as long as your account is logged in. Offline only with disc in system.
I've long bought into the Steam ecosystem so I'd be fine with option #2.
1) Don't tie the game to my account: Disc has to be in the drive when I play it. Disables quick switching, allows to resell. Offline only with disc in system.
2) Tie the game to my account: No disc required, enables quick switching, eliminates resell but allows you to install anywhere as long as your account is logged in. Offline only with disc in system.
I've long bought into the Steam ecosystem so I'd be fine with option #2.
Pharaoh 117
Member
Man, I still don't believe MS will go with the "Always Connected" route. There are lots of Xbox 360 users that are not online. MS really thinks they can force this people to connect?
YodaGoneMad
Banned
You like waiting for updates to install or....?
This isn't some kind of DRM, this is the same thing the Wii did and the PS4 showed off. When the console is "off" it is still online and able to download updates, games, dlc, etc. This just means you never have to wait for stuff to download. Imagine pre-ordering Halo 5 or whatever and it is preloaded over the weeks before release without you ever knowing. Come release day at 12:01 AM you can boot it up and play without ever seeing a progress bar.
I feel like either GAF has gone insane or no one actually understands what the Always On actually does...
YodaGoneMad
Banned
They aren't forcing anyone. The Xbox will function fine offline. For those that are online you never see a progress bar to download an update, or a dlc, or a new game. It is all done seamlessly when the console is "off". How is this bad?
Or if you are a Battlefield premium member, like myself, instead of manually and waiting for the hefty map pack to download, you come back home and it is already downloaded and ready to play. This is going to be a very useful feature that a lot of people are going to appreciate.
I guess I am just not as sensitive to it as some are.
I don't believe MS is EVIL. so I doubt seriously that there will be inappropriate or illegal use of the technology. Also, I avoid ads as much or more than anyone... (no radio stations, DVR 95% of my tv watching with Commercial skipping, ad blockers on internet, etc) ... and I have never felt Xbox live had an "AD" problem and I doubt I will notice nor by bothered by the things that people here are fearing.
I believe for some people that concern is genuine to them, (which I think is unwarranted as really, they are not going to do anything illegal) and as long as they are not using my personal information why the hell would I care how they sell ads? For others this is just another illusionary ALARM to ring in some pathetic attempt to scare people away from the Xbox
MS
I guarantee the PS4 will have an "always on connection" as well to do the same background downloads etc. I can't wait to see how many pages that will go.
it will be as if this thread never happened