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[Maximilian Kolbe]

Umm, what does that even mean???

It performs about like a 7850, so, low to middle range for PC (I'd say mid range in the overall pantheon including older cards)

That extremetech article is kinda nonsense btw. He doesnt even seem aware Durango should have DDR3 and a 256 bus, rather than GDDR5/128 as he assumes.

I do think it's "interesting" both Bonaire and X720 GPU do two prims/clk, whereas Cape Verde does 1. This could imply a link.

Yeah,unless it's modified 7790(Change GDDR5 to DDR3,add ESRAM,128bit->256bit,maybe also lowered clock speed)

 

[Respawn]

When I buy a game disc, I own that disc. If I sell it to Gamestop, they own that disc. Gamestop is not making money on content that isn't theirs, they are simply purchasing a good at one price and selling it at a higher price. This is profitable to them because of the environment that publishers choose to create.

All of this is done in accordance with the First Sale Doctrine. Once publishers make the initial sale of a piece of media they no longer have claim to it.

There are 3 parties involved here, the publishers, Gamestop, and consumers. Publishers don't just get to take rights away from consumers to get a more "fair" deal out of Gamestop. Gamestop is a 3 billion dollar company. Activision alone has a market cap. of 15 billion. Video Games are a 78 billion dollar industry. An industry that has its most explosive growth alongside of Gamestop's dominance of the used game industry.

People have had the right to resale media for 600 years and things have clipped along nicely. But now, for this one giant industry, at this one particular time, all of this is now somehow unacceptable?

Very good post.+2

 

[Master_JO]

it's as good as whats in ps4 mostly, so yes.

Thanks Bro

Let's assume this article is telling the truth, Performance wise would be PS360 ? Or closer?

 

[specialguy]

Thanks Bro

Let's assume this article is telling the truth, Performance wise would be PS360 ? Or closer?

Yeah about ps360. 7790=1.79 TF, PS4 GPU=1.84 TF. PS4 would still have 32 ROPS vs 16 but I doubt that'd matter much.

But the latest rumors had the Durango GPU only having 12 CU's and 1.2 TF's.

 

[Master_JO]

Yeah about ps360. 7790=1.79 TF, PS4 GPU=1.84 TF. PS4 would still have 32 ROPS vs 16 but I doubt that'd matter much.

But the latest rumors had the Durango GPU only having 12 CU's and 1.2 TF's.

Maybe MS changed something. Or maybe the Leak is old. Or none of that.

We wont know 100% whats inside the next xbox before MS revealing.

 

[alexandros]

If the 7790 is indeed the next Xbox's GPU, then all the comments about the power difference being slight make sense. 8GB DDR5 or not, both consoles now seem to be in the same ballpark in terms of power.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

If the 7790 is indeed the next Xbox's GPU, then all the comments about the power difference being slight make sense. 8GB DDR5 or not, both consoles now seem to be in the same ballpark in terms of power.

SuperDAE's remarks would also make more sense. We'll see...

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Do honor bro

I would, but I'm currently unable. I think a new thread is in order, at least so the information has a more visible presence and we can get a good idea of how accurate it is from the more technically versed members.

 

[gofreak]

If the 7790 is indeed the next Xbox's GPU, then all the comments about the power difference being slight make sense. 8GB DDR5 or not, both consoles now seem to be in the same ballpark in terms of power.

In the detail of the article, it's pretty clear they don't know what Durango's GPU is, and that the headline is a bit of a stretch.

They're just pointing out that what's rumoured of Durango's primitive setup capabilities is the same as Bonaire.

They seem to suggest they might share the same parentage but that doesn't at all mean they have the same configurations, and are thus the same GPU. And they acknowledge Bonaire's configuration wouldn't match the rumoured Durango GPU.

They also seem to be going a bit astray on the memory comparison - Durango's memory setup would be nothing like the 7790's (well, you know, if leaks to date are true anyway).

 

[Gemüsepizza]

So why exactly are people suddenly believing this will be the GPU of the Xbox 3? Because AMD will release it soon and it's new + powerful? Not very convincing "arguments".

If the 7790 is indeed the next Xbox's GPU, then all the comments about the power difference being slight make sense. 8GB DDR5 or not, both consoles now seem to be in the same ballpark in terms of power.

It's GDDR5, DDR5 doesn't exist.

 

[alexandros]

It's GDDR5, DDR5 doesn't exist.

I know man, blame my shitty laptop keyboard

 

[Master_JO]

I would, but I'm currently unable. I think a new thread is in order, at least so the information has a more visible presence and we can get a good idea of how accurate it is from the more technically versed members.

IC. Could anyone else make a new thread? I cant do that yet

 

[gaming_noob]

It begins.

 

[statham]

IC. Could anyone else make a new thread? I cant do that yet

I can't fingers broken, but if 7790 true its very welcome news.

 

[ekim]

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

They also seem to be going a bit astray on the memory comparison - Durango's memory setup would be nothing like the 7790's (well, you know, if leaks to date are true anyway).

Any current AMD GPU over 1.2TF and still use DDR3?other than (rumored) 720GPU

 

[Master_JO]

So why exactly are people suddenly believing this will be the GPU of the Xbox 3? Because AMD will release it soon and it's new + powerful? Not very convincing "arguments".



It's GDDR5, DDR5 doesn't exist.

Its a new article and people are discussing it further. Dosnt mean they are believing in it.

Why are we believing VGleaks for that matter? why aren't we believing xbox wolrd magazine rumors?

Everything we know is just rumors. nothing is written in stone until MS reveals the console.

 

[Flatline]

So why exactly are people suddenly believing this will be the GPU of the Xbox 3? Because AMD will release it soon and it's new + powerful? Not very convincing "arguments".

Funny thing is that the info the article is basing its assumptions on is from VGleaks.

 

[TheExecutive]

When I buy a game disc, I own that disc. If I sell it to Gamestop, they own that disc. Gamestop is not making money on content that isn't theirs, they are simply purchasing a good at one price and selling it at a higher price. This is profitable to them because of the environment that publishers choose to create.

All of this is done in accordance with the First Sale Doctrine. Once publishers make the initial sale of a piece of media they no longer have claim to it.

There are 3 parties involved here, the publishers, Gamestop, and consumers. Publishers don't just get to take rights away from consumers to get a more "fair" deal out of Gamestop. Gamestop is a 3 billion dollar company. Activision alone has a market cap. of 15 billion. Video Games are a 78 billion dollar industry. An industry that has its most explosive growth alongside of Gamestop's dominance of the used game industry.

People have had the right to resale media for 600 years and things have clipped along nicely. But now, for this one giant industry, at this one particular time, all of this is now somehow unacceptable?

This is a correct reading and understanding of the law and the first sale doctrine was recently upheld by the Supreme Court.

 

[Master_JO]

I can't fingers broken, but if 7790 true its very welcome news.

Feel better

 

[Unknown One]

VGLeaks have been right multiple times that's why. They got a very good track record.

 

[TheExecutive]

Linky

AMD launches Radeon 7790: Meet the Xbox 720′s GPU

It’s no coincidence that Bonaire answers some of the questions we had after the Xbox Durango GPU leak early last month. According to VGLeaks’ data, Durango’s front end was capable of issuing up to two primitives per clock like Tahiti and Pitcairn, but the memory bandwidth figures pointed to a 128-bit bus. Now we have Bonaire — a 128-bit GPU that merges those two capabilities in a single part.

Spinning a new GCN part for Microsoft allows for a smaller die, lower manufacturing costs, and explains why AMD CEO Rory Read calls AMD’s console SoC’s “semi-custom” designs. It makes no sense for AMD to build and launch another GCN part just to hit a market target — but it makes a lot of sense for a cash-strapped company to design a new GPU that can target multiple markets simultaneously.

That said, the hypothesized Durango GPU isn’t a perfect match for the HD 7790. Durango has 12 CUs for a total of 768 cores instead of the 14 CUs (896 cores) that the HD 7790 has. Clock speeds are also lower, at an estimated 800MHz. The 102GB of bandwidth between Durango’s GPU and its 32MB ESRAM cache is a clean fit if we assume a 1600MHz cache clock and a 128-bit bus.

The Radeon 7790 anchor’s AMD’s low end
Overall performance data on the 7790 is quite good, but price-wise, this card could clash with the HD 7850. At $149, 2GB cards based on Pitcairn are available for ~$180, and they offer significantly improved memory bandwidth as well as a modest increase in fill rate compared to the 7770/7790. The 7790 should compete nicely against Nvidia’s current Kepler lineup in that segment, though Team Green won’t leave this space empty for long if it needs to hit back.



It would be nice to see a wider memory interface, but the HD 7790 delivers 20-40% more performance than the HD 7970 for a 35% increase in price ($110 as compared to $149). It’s a much better card than AMD’s previous offering in this space, and it should compare much more favorably to previous GPUs like the HD 6850. This is a better-balanced GPU, period.

Never heard of the source...

 

[statham]

I checked his twitter, they raided his girlfriend's house yesterday, damn.

 

[ekim]

I checked his twitter, they raided his girlfriend's house yesterday, damn.

yeah pretty sad.

 

[ekim]

Btw - here is a german review for the 7790:
http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/gra...7790/test/amd_radeon_hd_7790,660,3010456.html

Pretty good results imho.

all other results confirm that the 7790 is in the same ballpark as a GTX 660 Ti

 

[Master_JO]

Never heard of the source...

Sorry, It was a wrong link. Here is the right one.

 

[Master_JO]

Btw - here is a german review for the 7790:
http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/gra...7790/test/amd_radeon_hd_7790,660,3010456.html

Pretty good results imho.

all other results confirm that the 7790 is in the same ballpark as a GTX 660 Ti

Where dos the PS4 GPU find place in those?

 

[ekim]

Where dos the PS4 GPU find place in those?

Don't know.

 

[iceatcs]

We don't want to hope 7790 on Durango. We want more better than it.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I checked his twitter, they raided his girlfriend's house yesterday, damn.

Wow. I guess that's one relationship that won't be continuing for much longer.

 

[eso76]

better.

 

[iceatcs]

Wow. I guess that's one relationship that won't be continuing for much longer.

Yep. Even he have an affair with cop last time raid. A cop said he too handsome to be jailed.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Where dos the PS4 GPU find place in those?

Currently it's thought to be a slightly downgraded 7870. Of course, it would have more than 2 GB video memory available, and these cards were tested on an otherwise identical configuration, while PS4 and Durango vary to some extent, most notably in architecture of their memory subsystems.

 

[Master_JO]

Currently it's thought to be a slightly downgraded 7870. Of course, it would have more than 2 GB video memory available, and these cards were tested on an otherwise identical configuration, while PS4 and Durango vary to some extent, most notably in architecture of their memory subsystems.

Thnx

 

[kikonawa]

Btw - here is a german review for the 7790:
http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/gra...7790/test/amd_radeon_hd_7790,660,3010456.html

Pretty good results imho.

all other results confirm that the 7790 is in the same ballpark as a GTX 660 Ti

Pretty good?? Its slowest card in that test!

 

[BlockheadBrown]

Where dos the PS4 GPU find place in those?

It's been rumored to be between a 7850 and 7870.

 

[Reiko]

I checked his twitter, they raided his girlfriend's house yesterday, damn.

Wow.

 

[Respawn]

Maybe MS changed something. Or maybe the Leak is old. Or none of that.

We wont know 100% whats inside the next xbox before MS revealing.

You still won't know after the unveiling. Only people with Dev kits and actual consoles will know this. This is why the leaked docs and leaks from sources with Dev kits are being discussed here.
What Sony spoke of was already known. So unless like you said something dramatically has changed prepare for the same type of info.

 

[dragonelite]

Pretty good?? Its slowest card in that test!

That would probably mean ps4 = 23~24 fps vs durango = 19 fps.
Hardly the difference some think with the ps4 being 60 fps and durango being 30 fps.

If durango has a 7790 off course.

How i looked this up.
7870 is rated at 2.5 TFlops
7850 is rated at 1.76Tflops.
Ps4 is rated at 1.84 Tflops.

7870 is about 800 Glops more then the ps4.
7850 is about 80 Gflops less then the ps4.

if 800 gflops can increase the framerate from 22.6 to 30.2 fps difference is like 7.6fps.
Then 80 more should be like 0.76 increase of fps.
So should rate ps4 at around 23~24 fps.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

PS4 only future all the way for me.

 

[ekim]

Pretty good?? Its slowest card in that test!

Nope. the list is longer but I couldn't screenshot everything.

 

[mrklaw]

If the 7790 is indeed the next Xbox's GPU, then all the comments about the power difference being slight make sense. 8GB DDR5 or not, both consoles now seem to be in the same ballpark in terms of power.

if the rumours were true, then its still a 12 CU card at 800MHz. Same relative shader performance to PS4. Its unlikely to be exactly a 7790, just like PS4 is unlikely to be exactly a 7850/7870. PS4 looks like it has 2 CUs disabled (probably for yield benefits to keep costs down), and so Durango could have 2CU disabled for similar reasons, making the 7790 down from 14 to 12CU which matches. and downclocking it for better thermal/power performance would match the 800MHz rumour - no reason it has to run at 1GHz other than speculation

 

[ironcreed]

PS4 only future all the way for me.

Looking that way for me as well. It's been fun, but it seems I am coming to forked path with Microsoft and they are branching off down a road that I have no desire to go down.

 

[McHuj]

It would be nice if this was the GPU in the next xbox, but I still think it will be the 768 shader part/800 MHz part.

What the 7790 does show is an improved gigaflops/watt over the 7770. My guess is that the a 768 shader GPU @ 800 MHz would only be around 50W. The entire APU for the next box will be around 75W probably (whole system maybe around 125W).

It wouldn't surprise me if MS could deliver a tiny WiiU-like form factor after the APU gets shrunk to 16/14nm around 2017 so so.

I'm sure long term cost and power reductions are playing a big role in the console design.

 

[paskowitz]

When I buy a game disc, I own that disc. If I sell it to Gamestop, they own that disc. Gamestop is not making money on content that isn't theirs, they are simply purchasing a good at one price and selling it at a higher price. This is profitable to them because of the environment that publishers choose to create.

All of this is done in accordance with the First Sale Doctrine. Once publishers make the initial sale of a piece of media they no longer have claim to it.

There are 3 parties involved here, the publishers, Gamestop, and consumers. Publishers don't just get to take rights away from consumers to get a more "fair" deal out of Gamestop. Gamestop is a 3 billion dollar company. Activision alone has a market cap. of 15 billion. Video Games are a 78 billion dollar industry. An industry that has its most explosive growth alongside of Gamestop's dominance of the used game industry.

People have had the right to resale media for 600 years and things have clipped along nicely. But now, for this one giant industry, at this one particular time, all of this is now somehow unacceptable?

But I thought everyone welcomed digital distribution...

 

[i-Lo]

That would probably mean ps4 = 23~24 fps vs durango = 19 fps.
Hardly the difference some think with the ps4 being 60 fps and durango being 30 fps.

If durango has a 7790 off course.

How i looked this up.
7870 is rated at 2.5 TFlops
7850 is rated at 1.76Tflops.
Ps4 is rated at 1.84 Tflops.

7870 is about 800 Glops more then the ps4.
7850 is about 80 Gflops less then the ps4.

if 800 gflops can increase the framerate from 22.6 to 30.2 fps difference is like 7.6fps.
Then 80 more should be like 0.76 increase of fps.
So should rate ps4 at around 23~24 fps.

A few things to note:

Even if the Django has 7790, it'll be down clocked to around 800MHz (from 1 GHz). To somewhat compensate for the performance loss XB3 can feature 256 bit memory interface.

Given GPUs in both consoles are being tirelessly worked at to ensure maximum efficiency they ought to perform better than their PC counterparts.

Looking that way for me as well. It's been fun, but it seems I am coming to forked path with Microsoft and they are branching off down a road that I have no desire to go down.

For me as well unless MS can show off something truly amazing with their OS functionality and/or makes playing online free with added functionalities/features being the new part of XBL.

 

[Silly.Mikey]

For me as well unless MS can show off something truly amazing with their OS functionality and/or makes playing online free with added functionalities/features being the new part of XBL.

Its very easy to pick one over the other at this point when ones official and actually showed something and the other one hasnt.

 

[ironcreed]

Its very easy to pick one over the other at this point when ones official and actually showed something and the other one hasnt.

Well, a perfect scenario would be that I end up with both, as I usually do. I am of course still going to wait and see, but I just don't like what I am hearing so far. Given how most of the PS4 rumors came true, it does not bode well for me wanting the next Xbox based on all this. But hey, anything can happen. We shall see.

 

[DEADEVIL]

So basically Super is saying the docs were describing the Beta version of the NextBox.

Interesting

 

[Hindle]

Its very easy to pick one over the other at this point when ones official and actually showed something and the other one hasnt.

Get this sensible logic away from MS threads.