You accuse BBC reporters of being biased? The BBC is required by law to be unbiased. It's a tricky thing but by and large they manage it. They are a fair bit more reliable than Russia Today or Fox news.
Video: Syrian jet drops incendiary bomb on playground full of kids. Do not click.
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You accuse BBC reporters of being biased? The BBC is required by law to be unbiased. It's a tricky thing but by and large they manage it. They are a fair bit more reliable than Russia Today or Fox news.
ClassyPenguin
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TDM is a god among men.
When you say 'Where is the problem?" do you mean you see nothing wrong with innocent kids being burned alive?
I am a badass because I am against any kind of war? WOW
A war will not end this conflict.
cobragt4001
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For all we know the rebels could have done this. The media has no problems deceiving people because it's easy for people to accept what's given to them and move on, no questions asked.
So why am I seeing the same kid in the BBC footage as the one at the end of your video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDD6cKyc0PQ
Is that the same event? 3 days apart?
I'm still wondering if trying to steer the discussion away from the subject being discussed by posting gory images that are not related to the OP is an acceptable tactic here....
Someone who is against war does not normally find themselves indifferent to the suffering of children.
Errrrhhhhh .
Yeah, seems like we need more details but that is only the bigger picture. If we look at what actually happened from an objective stand point (kids burned to death on a playground) then it is still just really f'ed up. Very sad.
Sutton Dagger
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I'm talking about the timing of the diffusion of this report.
It's not that simple. Does the West side with Assad and keep someone who seemingly is only worried about staying in power and doesn't necessarily care about his people? Or do we side with the Islamist rebels, who will impose Sharia law and possibly fracture the country further with infighting after the war is over?
Deaf Spacker
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This thread is making me angry, are there really people that think the video is a fake or that the rebels have got their hands on some Syrian Army planes?
And a reporter being in a warzone is suspect?
What. The. Fuck.
And a reporter being in a warzone is suspect?
What. The. Fuck.
General Choomin
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Well they have been breaking the law for the past decade then. They did that documentry on the Mavi Marmara was just looney Israeli propaganda being spewed out that the people on the boat were terrorists. The one about marijuana addiction was equally biased and was just about scare mongering the most harmless drug to ever exist.
But Israel iz gud guys
CHEEZMO
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It's almost like it might take a little time for a journalist team inside an active warzone to fnd out about an incident, travel there, do some cursory investigation, interview people, take tours of an area and then record everything before sending it off back to HQ to be edited and VOd into a report that can be broadcast.
Or maybe the MI6 BBC reporters also mastered time travel.
If there's anything the last week of Syria threads has taught me it's that these two scenarios are equally likely to be true.
MisterFalcon
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Conspiracy Theorists. Ready to believe any theory except the US not being the bad guy.
Can someone explain this to me? If it's the same event then fine.
Anyway civilian casualties are nothing new in a war. Wrong target happens. This incident seems minor whatever may be the cause. No-one died. An intervention will cause more death in any case.
Are you ready to believe everything the US media throws at you?
I try to gather my own information from several sources, thank you.
Honestly your posts are getting crazier every day. I wonder how you will top this one tomorrow?
I'm not watching a video of kids burning alive, so no I can't.
Professor Chaos
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CHEEZMO
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I think he outdid himself when he said the US shouldn't intervene in the affairs of other countries and then said he hoped the US would invade Saudi Arabia. So we're on the downward slope of the bell curve, tbh.
The only people you have never blamed are the forces of Assad and his supporters, every time something is attributed to them it's either the Saudis, Qatar, terrorists, CIA, the Legion Of Doom and evil Superman from Superman 3.
An obvious Assad supporter that lives in some demented fantasy land.
BumblebeeCody
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Here is the video from 26th:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDD6cKyc0PQ
Here is the video from the 29th:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l4lYnjS-1w
Which child appears in both video? Because I've watched both and can't see any resemblance other than explainable coincidences.
The kid right at the end of the video from the 26th is also in the video from the 29th (2:49 into the BBC video in the OP).
Not that a 3 day hospital stay is particularly unusual.
Like almost every conspiracy theory, it keeps evolving as more facts are known, because like almost anything it can never be 100% proven so obviously the close to but not quite 0% is true...
First it was "how do we know they were Syrian regime planes and not rebel planes" but since it was pointed out that the rebels don't have planes, now it's "how do we know planes were used at all" as if people were just supposed to be outside filming the skies, just in case a plane were to eventually fly by and drop a bomb. And some thought it was too convenient that a journalist was in the area, and when it was pointed out that there's a pretty big civil war going on and it's being covered by the media, the fact that this video is on BBC means it was really a British intelligence agent.
Jezbollah
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Bingo. The motion was based upon the evidence and facts we currently have. We were too quick to swallow lies fed to us in 2003 - a lot of MPs were not prepared to make that same mistake again. If we get solid, indisputable, and clearcut evidence of what is going on over there then those same MPs would make the right decision again, and that decision could involve military assets.
captainnapalm
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Is it the exact same images, or just the same kid?
I believe it was a jet...from the sounds of it the rebels wouldn't have access to such?
Same kid in the same building. Looks like one was filmed from his right and one from his left, probably at the same time.
Care to point out where I specifically blamed anyone for this? I simply cast doubt on how the BBC presents it as if guilt is established.
kurtrussell
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It's not *that* horrendous (although still upsetting).
Put it this way - it'd probably be a slightly less painful experience than the time you played Dear Esther.
BumblebeeCody
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Ah right. True. But:
BBC purposefully used old footage to show previous attacks
or
The child was moved to another hospital where the BBC just happened to be filming
or(as you said)
Being in a hospital for 3 days isn't unusual.
And
None of this matters or is even relevant since there are people suffering while we don't bother to address the actual situation, but instead focus on "is this fake"?
Are we now on to "Crisis Actors"?
Still don't feel I have a firm enough understanding of the situation to have much conviction in my opinions but after reading about it this morning I am against the west providing military support to either side. However, is it not a good idea to implement a no fly zone in order to minimalise civilian casualties and prevent incidents like this?
Over a hundred people died in Iraq the other day, can I also have a video of those kids killed?? Or is that different because its not Syria which is what we are currently interested in. Or how about the Egyptian army opening fire on protests, killing children and women? Oh not Syria huh. Ok then continue to beat the war drums
So where do you think their incendiary projectiles land? do you believe it has a target guidance system?
If you say it's clear the army is responsible because somebody claimed they saw an aircraft then yeh I will offer the alternative and not swallow the BBC as if they don't purposefully lie.
On both BBC and CNN this was said yesterday when talking to two different correspondents: “You're the only Western journalist remaining in Damascus.”
Oh yeh I get it, I have to keep watching this channel because EXCLUSIVE.
Dumb snake oil merchants, they arrive in Syria with a narrative and look for the pieces that fit while ignoring what contradicts, cherry picking journalism.
JacksUsername
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Yup, and if footage of the plane did materialize, we'd be right back to the 'well, that's awfully convenient' line of thought. There's no point in arguing, since, as you pointed out, the counter argument constantly shifts and turns into 'what-if' scenarios.
Listening to the BBC on Sirius, they cover Egypt every day. During the really big crackdown, that was pretty much all they talked about for a few days.
And I still hear them mention bombings in Iraq, though not in great detail. The truth is, after we pulled out, and the war was "over", the story was too. Plus, it's slightly repetitive after a decade.
Post the fucking threads if you're even remotely genuine. Otherwise, what are you actually trying to say?
Miles Quaritch
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Sky News correspondent seems to think it might be White Phosphorus. I haven't seen any other outlets reporting on this yet, but I expect it might take a few days for all the details to come out.
Ok, but if everyone's staying out of it, who's enforcing the no fly zone? Or should it be taken on good faith that Assad will ground all of his planes?
CHEEZMO
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Syria doesn't field WP munitions AFAIK. Their incendiary weapons are thermite-based.
I've seen videos of the munition it uses being manufactured and it's always been HE. Never heard or seen anything about them outfitting incendiary warheads. And this is the weapon they make high-quality publicity videos of, advertising its range, projectile and even the cost of making it.
So another baseless allusion to some false flag conspiracy theory.
It just no longer serves our interest, humanitarian problems are only an excuse to use to serve our "interests". It makes the suffering of these people even worse, knowing we use them for propaganda and like good ad space on News programs.
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