Video: Syrian jet drops incendiary bomb on playground full of kids. Do not click.

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I didn't say that at all. I just said that panorama is pretty much a crappy show to begin with. What I mean to say is that their reporters are deceptive and bias and willing to knowingly lie to their audience.

I did not deny that this incident did occur. I don't know if it did or didn't. It is highly likely it could have occurred do to the circumstances I laid out.

You accuse BBC reporters of being biased? The BBC is required by law to be unbiased. It's a tricky thing but by and large they manage it. They are a fair bit more reliable than Russia Today or Fox news.
 
If I have to break another image link so a picture of mutilated babies doesn't show up for everyone that loads the page, heads will roll.



You're a broken record. If you're going to assume that every report of a negative action perpetrated by loyalist forces is a fabrication short of a confession from the Syrian government, you may as well stop posting in these threads.
TDM is a god among men.
 
For all we know the rebels could have done this. The media has no problems deceiving people because it's easy for people to accept what's given to them and move on, no questions asked.
 
For all we know the rebels could have done this. The media has no problems deceiving people because it's easy for people to accept what's given to them and move on, no questions asked.

Yeah, seems like we need more details but that is only the bigger picture. If we look at what actually happened from an objective stand point (kids burned to death on a playground) then it is still just really f'ed up. Very sad.
 
Still a little too convenient that you just happen to have videos of bombs right at the same time that a civil war is going on... are we stupidly supposed to believe that's just a COINCIDENCE?!?

I'm talking about the timing of the diffusion of this report.
 
Look, the West has a decision to make. You either get involved or shut up. But if you stay out you don'tget to do the moral hand-wringing after the fact about how terrible it all is. Because if you're really for the stopping of evil, and you know you have the tools to help and don't, you're either a hypocrite,a coward, or apathetic.

Every time there's war in the world people die, but if this turns into a Rwanda or Sudan where the West ignores it and then after the fact is consoling itself for how awful it all was, I'm going to flip a magazine rack. Maybe ten of them.

That phrase about all it taking for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing comes to mind.

It's not that simple. Does the West side with Assad and keep someone who seemingly is only worried about staying in power and doesn't necessarily care about his people? Or do we side with the Islamist rebels, who will impose Sharia law and possibly fracture the country further with infighting after the war is over?
 
Yeah, seems like we need more details but that is only the bigger picture. If we look at what actually happened from an objective stand point (kids burned to death on a playground) then it is still just really f'ed up. Very sad.

Right, either way it's fucked up, but as far as I know the rebels don't have the specific types of weaponry needed to do something like this. Especially accidentally.

I, er... haven't watched the video. But from the description is seems to be a large scale incendiary device?
 
This thread is making me angry, are there really people that think the video is a fake or that the rebels have got their hands on some Syrian Army planes?

And a reporter being in a warzone is suspect?

What. The. Fuck.
 
You accuse BBC reporters of being biased? The BBC is required by law to be unbiased. It's a tricky thing but by and large they manage it. They are a fair bit more reliable than Russia Today or Fox news.

Well they have been breaking the law for the past decade then. They did that documentry on the Mavi Marmara was just looney Israeli propaganda being spewed out that the people on the boat were terrorists. The one about marijuana addiction was equally biased and was just about scare mongering the most harmless drug to ever exist.
 
I'm talking about the timing of the diffusion of this report.

It's almost like it might take a little time for a journalist team inside an active warzone to fnd out about an incident, travel there, do some cursory investigation, interview people, take tours of an area and then record everything before sending it off back to HQ to be edited and VOd into a report that can be broadcast.

Or maybe the MI6 BBC reporters also mastered time travel.

If there's anything the last week of Syria threads has taught me it's that these two scenarios are equally likely to be true.
 
This thread is making me angry, are there really people that think the video is a fake or that the rebels have got their hands on some Syrian Army planes?

And a reporter being in a warzone is suspect?

What. The. Fuck.

Conspiracy Theorists. Ready to believe any theory except the US not being the bad guy.
 
So why am I seeing the same kid in the BBC footage as the one at the end of your video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDD6cKyc0PQ

Is that the same event? 3 days apart?

Can someone explain this to me? If it's the same event then fine.
Anyway civilian casualties are nothing new in a war. Wrong target happens. This incident seems minor whatever may be the cause. No-one died. An intervention will cause more death in any case.

Conspiracy Theorists. Ready to believe any theory except the US not being the bad guy.
Are you ready to believe everything the US media throws at you?

I try to gather my own information from several sources, thank you.
 
Where is the problem?

Israel used white phosphorus in gaza, attack israel.
A civil war is awful but an attack is no solution.
It is scandalous to misuse these children for his cause.

Honestly your posts are getting crazier every day. I wonder how you will top this one tomorrow?
 
Honestly your posts are getting crazier every day. I wonder how you will top this one tomorrow?

I think he outdid himself when he said the US shouldn't intervene in the affairs of other countries and then said he hoped the US would invade Saudi Arabia. So we're on the downward slope of the bell curve, tbh.
 
I'm sure they believe it themselves, when something like that happens there arises a great urge to blame somebody, if people are already predisposed then then it only requires one person to say he saw a jet and practically everyone that remotely heard a sound they will attribute it to that jet nobody saw. Even eyewitnesses without any agenda constantly contradict each other in trivial traffic accidents yet in war it's all different.

Whenever Western audiences see destroyed buildings and cities reduced to rubble most of you automatically leap to the conclusion, “well that's the army killings its own people because al-Qaeda doesn't have an airforce (yet)”

Except of course that entire apartment blocks get taken out by these freedom fighters for the sake of removing cover for checkpoints they have difficulty capturing....

But no, we see rubble, blame the Syrian Army... and lets ignore that these same people booby trap civilian homes when they are about to lose an area.


The only people you have never blamed are the forces of Assad and his supporters, every time something is attributed to them it's either the Saudis, Qatar, terrorists, CIA, the Legion Of Doom and evil Superman from Superman 3.

An obvious Assad supporter that lives in some demented fantasy land.
 
This thread is making me angry, are there really people that think the video is a fake or that the rebels have got their hands on some Syrian Army planes?

And a reporter being in a warzone is suspect?

What. The. Fuck.

Like almost every conspiracy theory, it keeps evolving as more facts are known, because like almost anything it can never be 100% proven so obviously the close to but not quite 0% is true...

First it was "how do we know they were Syrian regime planes and not rebel planes" but since it was pointed out that the rebels don't have planes, now it's "how do we know planes were used at all" as if people were just supposed to be outside filming the skies, just in case a plane were to eventually fly by and drop a bomb. And some thought it was too convenient that a journalist was in the area, and when it was pointed out that there's a pretty big civil war going on and it's being covered by the media, the fact that this video is on BBC means it was really a British intelligence agent.
 
...or people could be celebrating the fact that we have averted a possible disaster by getting involved before having all the facts, ala 2003. I generally can't stand Labour, but even I feel a large sense of relief (and gratitude) that the motion failed. Cameron went about the whole issue far too hastily and it was rightfully shot down. Given the number of Conservatives who voted against, I wouldn't say either side has cause for tooting their own horn. Not everything is about party politics.

Bingo. The motion was based upon the evidence and facts we currently have. We were too quick to swallow lies fed to us in 2003 - a lot of MPs were not prepared to make that same mistake again. If we get solid, indisputable, and clearcut evidence of what is going on over there then those same MPs would make the right decision again, and that decision could involve military assets.
 
Right, either way it's fucked up, but as far as I know the rebels don't have the specific types of weaponry needed to do something like this. Especially accidentally.

I, er... haven't watched the video. But from the description is seems to be a large scale incendiary device?

I believe it was a jet...from the sounds of it the rebels wouldn't have access to such?
 
The only people you have never blamed are the forces of Assad and his supporters, every time something is attributed to them it's either the Saudis, Qatar, terrorists, CIA, the Legion Of Doom and evil Superman from Superman 3.

An obvious Assad supporter that lives in some demented fantasy land.

Care to point out where I specifically blamed anyone for this? I simply cast doubt on how the BBC presents it as if guilt is established.
 
Care to point out where I specifically blamed anyone for this? I simply cast doubt on how the BBC presents it as if guilt is established.

You posted a video of either FSA or some Jihadi group with an artillery piece in your usual way of shifting blame.
 
The kid right at the end of the video from the 26th is also in the video from the 29th (2:49 into the BBC video in the OP).

Not that a 3 day hospital stay is particularly unusual.

Ah right. True. But:
BBC purposefully used old footage to show previous attacks
or
The child was moved to another hospital where the BBC just happened to be filming
or(as you said)
Being in a hospital for 3 days isn't unusual.
And
None of this matters or is even relevant since there are people suffering while we don't bother to address the actual situation, but instead focus on "is this fake"?
 
Still don't feel I have a firm enough understanding of the situation to have much conviction in my opinions but after reading about it this morning I am against the west providing military support to either side. However, is it not a good idea to implement a no fly zone in order to minimalise civilian casualties and prevent incidents like this?
 
Over a hundred people died in Iraq the other day, can I also have a video of those kids killed?? Or is that different because its not Syria which is what we are currently interested in. Or how about the Egyptian army opening fire on protests, killing children and women? Oh not Syria huh. Ok then continue to beat the war drums
 
You posted a video of either FSA or some Jihadi group with an artillery piece in your usual way of shifting blame.

So where do you think their incendiary projectiles land? do you believe it has a target guidance system?

If you say it's clear the army is responsible because somebody claimed they saw an aircraft then yeh I will offer the alternative and not swallow the BBC as if they don't purposefully lie.

On both BBC and CNN this was said yesterday when talking to two different correspondents: “You're the only Western journalist remaining in Damascus.”

Oh yeh I get it, I have to keep watching this channel because EXCLUSIVE.
Dumb snake oil merchants, they arrive in Syria with a narrative and look for the pieces that fit while ignoring what contradicts, cherry picking journalism.
 
Like almost every conspiracy theory, it keeps evolving as more facts are known, because like almost anything it can never be 100% proven so obviously the close to but not quite 0% is true...

First it was "how do we know they were Syrian regime planes and not rebel planes" but since it was pointed out that the rebels don't have planes, now it's "how do we know planes were used at all" as if people were just supposed to be outside filming the skies, just in case a plane were to eventually fly by and drop a bomb. And some thought it was too convenient that a journalist was in the area, and when it was pointed out that there's a pretty big civil war going on and it's being covered by the media, the fact that this video is on BBC means it was really a British intelligence agent.

Yup, and if footage of the plane did materialize, we'd be right back to the 'well, that's awfully convenient' line of thought. There's no point in arguing, since, as you pointed out, the counter argument constantly shifts and turns into 'what-if' scenarios.
 
Over a hundred people died in Iraq the other day, can I also have a video of those kids killed?? Or is that different because its not Syria which is what we are currently interested in. Or how about the Egyptian army opening fire on protests, killing children and women? Oh not Syria huh. Ok then continue to beat the war drums

Listening to the BBC on Sirius, they cover Egypt every day. During the really big crackdown, that was pretty much all they talked about for a few days.

And I still hear them mention bombings in Iraq, though not in great detail. The truth is, after we pulled out, and the war was "over", the story was too. Plus, it's slightly repetitive after a decade.
 
Over a hundred people died in Iraq the other day, can I also have a video of those kids killed?? Or is that different because its not Syria which is what we are currently interested in. Or how about the Egyptian army opening fire on protests, killing children and women? Oh not Syria huh. Ok then continue to beat the war drums

Post the fucking threads if you're even remotely genuine. Otherwise, what are you actually trying to say?
 
Sky News correspondent seems to think it might be White Phosphorus. I haven't seen any other outlets reporting on this yet, but I expect it might take a few days for all the details to come out.
 
Still don't feel I have a firm enough understanding of the situation to have much conviction in my opinions but after reading about it this morning I am against the west providing military support to either side. However, is it not a good idea to implement a no fly zone in order to minimalise civilian casualties and prevent incidents like this?

Ok, but if everyone's staying out of it, who's enforcing the no fly zone? Or should it be taken on good faith that Assad will ground all of his planes?
 
CHEEZMO™;79092849 said:
The Hell Cannon's projectile is HE.

The Cannon is a delivery method you dumbo, they can fire whatever payload they conjure.

Kerosene with a coagulation agent, already gives your DIY napalm.
 
Sky News correspondent seems to think it might be White Phosphorus. I haven't seen any other outlets reporting on this yet, but I expect it might take a few days for all the details to come out.

Syria doesn't field WP munitions AFAIK. Their incendiary weapons are thermite-based.

The Cannon is a delivery method you dumbo, they can fire whatever payload they conjure.

I've seen videos of the munition it uses being manufactured and it's always been HE. Never heard or seen anything about them outfitting incendiary warheads. And this is the weapon they make high-quality publicity videos of, advertising its range, projectile and even the cost of making it.

So another baseless allusion to some false flag conspiracy theory.
 
Listening to the BBC on Sirius, they cover Egypt every day. During the really big crackdown, that was pretty much all they talked about for a few days.

And I still hear them mention bombings in Iraq, though not in great detail. The truth is, after we pulled out, and the war was "over", the story was too. Plus, it's slightly repetitive after a decade.

It just no longer serves our interest, humanitarian problems are only an excuse to use to serve our "interests". It makes the suffering of these people even worse, knowing we use them for propaganda and like good ad space on News programs.
 
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