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people are sourcing Alex Jones now.....
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Video: Syrian jet drops incendiary bomb on playground full of kids. Do not click.
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But duuuude, THIS TIME he's not a crazy fucking nutjob! I SWEAR.
The US also attacks houses in afghanistan and kill 10 kids. I think you have no idea what a civil war is. Do you think a war is like a computer game? Good Wins, the evil looses and no civilians die?
I think it's terrible but a war will change nothing. We can only work for a diplomatic solution and provide humanitarian aid, that is our fucking job.
AlimNassor
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This is no longer war, this is cold blooded murder. If there was any justice in this world Obama would be sending in US troops, but, no we aren't. I don't give a flying fuck if we have ulterior motives, I really don't fucking care. So long as the Syrian people have a choice in their future, and the mass murder stops, I say launch the invasion. Assad has to die, he has to die a slow painful death for every last one of those kids he murdered.
The rebels aren't "barbaric muslim murderers", they're a group of people held together only by their hatred of Assad. Which is why we need to step up and help them. America is the most powerful nation on Earth, the fact we sit around and do NOTHING while people are being butchered speaks volumes about this world. Those screaming "no intervention", are pretty terrible.
America is the strongest nation on Earth, and it is our job whether you people like it or not to help those who are being oppressed.
The rebels aren't "barbaric muslim murderers", they're a group of people held together only by their hatred of Assad. Which is why we need to step up and help them. America is the most powerful nation on Earth, the fact we sit around and do NOTHING while people are being butchered speaks volumes about this world. Those screaming "no intervention", are pretty terrible.
America is the strongest nation on Earth, and it is our job whether you people like it or not to help those who are being oppressed.
Vestal
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again with the false equivalency.
Killing children no mater the reason is fucked up. Stop trying to defend this action.
To justify these death by simply saying "civil war deal with it" is absolutely monstrous. War happens sure, but it should be the priority of those using weapons to avoid killing innocents particularly children at all costs.
http://imgur.com/a/1nziC
from http://brown-moses.blogspot.com/2013/08/photographs-showing-measurements-of.html
Also to note, if these were loaded with simple explosives then why is the munition still relatively intact?
ButchCat
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From the Alex Jones article,
So several of these weapons just happened to acidentally detonate in a tunnel(?) simultaneously.
It's impressive how they managed to make it look like an actual artillery attack, with the shells bending from the impact in front.
Also it's pretty weird that Prince Bandar would be supplying the rebels with Soviet munitions.
The good diplomatic relations with Russia to make it all that more convincing that it was the government.
captainnapalm
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No, it's an article written by an Associated Press reporter who has been based in the Middle East for over 20 years. Containing quotes from rebels on the ground, one of whom even gives his name.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I'm not even sure intervention of any kind would be good here or anywhere,
but saying that because you only intervene when it is convenient you shouldn't ever intervene is logically flawed.
Intervention does work sometimes, unfortunately the middle east is too complex and there are too many interests at stake to make things clear cut.
Some posters in these threads are absolutely crazy.
but saying that because you only intervene when it is convenient you shouldn't ever intervene is logically flawed.
Intervention does work sometimes, unfortunately the middle east is too complex and there are too many interests at stake to make things clear cut.
Some posters in these threads are absolutely crazy.
VARIA
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I think he's just stating facts. It is terrible but we also can't point fingers without first acknowledging that our government does the same thing.
This is just Pakistan:
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/12/03/november-2012-update-us-covert-actions-in-pakistan-yemen-and-somalia/
What you think US drone attacks do?
If the target is in a wedding or kids school....
What
You think is going to happen?
MisterFalcon
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And this reporter fails to put this, a huge story on the AP site under their name: http://bigstory.ap.org/author/dale-gavlak
ButchCat
Member
This is not about normal people though, those are two different entities. Your governments think very differently they are only protecting their interests.
Those are just pictures. I'd like to see some evidence before we assume that they were used in the chemical attacks.
captainnapalm
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I was wondering that myself. It would certainly get a lot more exposure as an AP story. Perhaps they didn't want to run with it.
Vestal
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can we stop with this shit?? 2 wrongs don't make a right. Just as we would bitch about it being a US strike so can we bitch about this.
Here is another piece of evidence, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y6CZtF6pGvQ Footage that shows the exact same type of munition being used by the Syrian army. Note: This isn't the actual chemical warhead used in the attacks. It's probably the same munition being used with a conventional explosive payload.
The site it is posted on has it labeled as an exclusive. They probably payed the two journalists to keep it off other news sites.
I am certain WW cant and will not ever happen
Every nation in the entire world FEARS the USA
They can talk and all that but would never do anything to the USA
USA does whatever it wants on This Earth.
China,Russia,NK,whatever none of these nations would dare
Attack the USA.
USA would attack all of them if they want to, they exists only because USA allows it, the USA are the rulers and controllers of planet Earth.
CHEEZMO
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Everything points to them being a non-standard munition manufactured in-house by the Syrian military (or Iran and shipped in). They seem to come in both HE and Thermobaric types, and some are slightly longer/shorter than others, indicating a smaller rocket motor for a lighter payload, slightly different sized warheads, a serial number system and possibly even some sort of color-band identification mark (possibly to distinguish between different types?) It's largely speculation atm because the only way anyone can get their hands on them is if the army decide they don't like your neighbourhood.
They are designed to be launched out of the Iranian Falaq-2 system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y6CZtF6pGvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vH6F9dseJm8
Now it can't be said for certain (right now at least) if those munition remnants were actually the specific means of deployment for whatever the chemical substance that was used, but it does show they were launched at the areas that were hit by CW attack at the same time. Maybe they have a chemical variant. Or maybe the Thermobaric variant could've been converted to carry CW. Or they were simply used to blow out windows, walls, doors etc to make a follow-up chemical strike more effective? Can't really know for now.
Deified Data
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Indiscriminate military action should be called out and reviled the world over, whether it's Syria or the US. The state's disgusting drone policy doesn't somehow negate Syria's compulsive need to incinerate its own people.
Can we have a normal people thread and a Alex Jone thread, I was quite enjoying reading sensible opinions on the matter.
captainnapalm
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Perhaps, but it could also be an example of how stories that don't fit the official narrative do not make it to mainstream news organisations.
Here's a playlist of where the first 8 videos show those same rockets, all from different sources.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLcqi_dE9SU&list=PLPC0Udeof3T4_ws0Xhv4O2ABwjrxYJVK9&index=1
I defend nothing. I am just saying that civilians are not important for nearly all countries and factions. Again, it`s terrible.
CHEEZMO
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Yeah because what news organisation would want to break one of the biggest stories of the decade?
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The Everyman
Your post on the first page was not a good one.
Conciliator
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This thread is a train wreck. It's so terrible, yet I can't look away.
US soldier killed an entire village full of kids...
Read that again slowly...
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE97L0YV20130823?irpc=932
"A decorated American soldier was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on Friday for killing 16 unarmed Afghan civilians, mostly women and children, in two bloody nighttime forays from his military post"
Read that slowly "Mostly women and Children"
Yeah, definitely.
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The Everyman
And guess what! That's fucked up toooooo!
phosphor112
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CHEEZMO;79124301 said:
Those aren't the same thing as the one from the previous pictures though.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
I have no doubt the regime fired these rockets. the question is whether they carried a CW payload. I haven't seen any conclusive evidence to that end. There is also evidence of these rockets being used many times throughout the year without reports of a chemical attack.
I gotta disagree. I really believe we need to back off of a lot of things. In situations like this, I feel as though we should provide humanitarian aid and that's it. We're hypocrites to call this murder of children and civilians, when we ourselves and killed civilians and children (not necessarily on purpose).
I really wish this was resolved for Syrian people. I really do. It's an awful thing and it pains me to see destruction. Some people want the US to intervene and others do not. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
captainnapalm
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CHEEZMO;79125253 said:
Hardly qualifies as that. I don't see it as definitive evidence. It's just accounts on the ground of people who tell a different story.
AP and Reuters aren't generally in the business of undermining official narratives, though. They play more of a supporting role in that regard. I'm afraid the age of Woodward and Bernstein-style investigative journalism concerned with uncovering the truth is a thing of the past. There have been studies published about AP's general bias towards US government positions.
CHEEZMO
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Actually they turned up at an alleged chemical attack in Adra on August 5th.
Ok the "no problem" was a wrong formulation
Before we leap to things like conspiracy against the perceived narrative, maybe they didn't run it because it didn't meet their journalistic standards, maybe he was unable to verify what he had written.
Doctors on the ground, videos of hundreds of victims (many women and children) without any evidence of outside trauma, people with burns/respiratory issues that indicated CW, intercepted comms of military discussing the attack.
Well then we're going to have to discuss whether hundreds of victims (and the MSF) are lying about what happened?
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