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But we dunno who drop the bomb... LEts investigate for a month!!!!
/Russia n friends
/Russia n friends
Video: Syrian jet drops incendiary bomb on playground full of kids. Do not click.
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It's not so much defending Assad, you can find horrific videos of crimes committed from both sides.Yeah, the rebels , those aren't a good willed bunch that's for sure.
War is nasty, when you fight using guerrilla tactics, it makes it nastier.
I'm from the opinion that countries such as Syria need stability, even if that means "oppressive" regimes such as the one attributed to Assad are prone to exist.
Say the rebels attain power, you can bet in a year, tops, they will be engaging in warfare again. See Egypt for reference.
Not in France. Why do we want to help them again?
CHEEZMO
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Yeah those restive A-rabs need a strongman to keep 'em in line.
Cameron122
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The world is ruled by wicked men :/
R.I.P kids.
R.I.P kids.
onadesertedisland
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Using a prior fault to absolve a later fault is one of the most absurd tactics in rhetoric. Getting stuck on an issue like that causes the tit for tat stupidity that humans kill each other for.
French TV airs the truth when they incompetently invite the wrong guest.
France's incentive for Syria is very similar to Qatar and Turkey, they want a gas pipeline to supply Europe and break the monopoly of Gazprom.
Germany on the other hand prefers to rely on Putin than some Wahhabi Emir.
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That video is also good for you, stuck in your good Islamist Arab, bad Nationalist Arab perspective.
Al Jazeera had it right.
In this age post Iraq, post-yellowcake and post phantom-WMDs, no one can go to war without 100% concrete proof. As long as you can maintain doubt of who is doing what and who you're helping, you can't be sure of what is going on, so you can do nothing.
Or so Assad thinks.
In this age post Iraq, post-yellowcake and post phantom-WMDs, no one can go to war without 100% concrete proof. As long as you can maintain doubt of who is doing what and who you're helping, you can't be sure of what is going on, so you can do nothing.
Or so Assad thinks.
maquiladora
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The UN cannot do anything because Assad's ally Russia will veto even a written statement condemning him, let alone anything meaningful.
dripdripsplash
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Did you watch the video ?
FSA demonstration. Shell from an unknown position (!MAYBE FSA MAN!) hit in the middle of said demonstration.
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Yeah those damn A-rabs doesn't deserve freedom. All they do is fight they need a dictator to keep them in short leash!
People are too predictable, they attach an entire narrative to a single hearsay claim.
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You think the gov't cares?
Bam Bam Baklava
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How do you get 100% proof of anything during a civil war? Assad would have to go on TV and admit he's doing it at this point.
Can anyone 100% confirm that the FSA is run by Al Qaeda the way you guys keep claiming? Last I heard they killed one of the FSA commanders.
Can anyone 100% confirm that the FSA is run by Al Qaeda the way you guys keep claiming? Last I heard they killed one of the FSA commanders.
ButchCat
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It does. This is just the desperation of the FSA stirring shit to put pressure on the west to bring military intervention. Did you see the Syrian jet? Exactly.
RustyNails
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So you're comparing a rebel that mutilated a uniformed Syrian soldier's dead body with an indiscriminate napalm attack on a preschool?
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Nail on the head. There's no point in being ignorant of the latent cruelty every single person alive is capable of performing if circumstances permitted.
And incidentally, it'll keep on like this until this species either evolves or dies. Life isn't pretty.
This is horrible. This whole situation is horrible. At the same time, little good seems to come from the U.S. acting like the world police. By and large, we should stop intervening in others' affairs.
But question: How far should our non-intervention stance go? What is okay? Is sending medicine to places okay? Building clean water facilities? Or are we only allowed to intervene when the atrocities are not manmade? Disease, hunger, natural disasters...?
I'm really curious. Because though I agree with non-intervention, it seems odd that the moment humans are responsible for the deaths of others that it all becomes off-limits.
Because that's what you're essentially saying when you say that we should wait for the UN. China, Russia, the U.S., etc. - we all have our interests and they never seem to run the same direction. So, what does America's role look like? Or does it have one?
But question: How far should our non-intervention stance go? What is okay? Is sending medicine to places okay? Building clean water facilities? Or are we only allowed to intervene when the atrocities are not manmade? Disease, hunger, natural disasters...?
I'm really curious. Because though I agree with non-intervention, it seems odd that the moment humans are responsible for the deaths of others that it all becomes off-limits.
Because that's what you're essentially saying when you say that we should wait for the UN. China, Russia, the U.S., etc. - we all have our interests and they never seem to run the same direction. So, what does America's role look like? Or does it have one?
cobragt4001
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People want to believe what BBC and CNN tell them without any thought. Control the media, control the perception of people's lives.
At this point, I don't think Obama wants to do anything. Certainly not alone. He backed himself into a corner with that redline comment, and it's the only reason he's even considering it. Now, if the UN signed off on a multinational intervention effecting regime change, like in Libya, we'd be all over that. But that's not going to happen as long as Russia and China are cock blocking the security council.
People are so far above this on their non-exploding ivory towers that comparing his "barbarity" towards a dead enemy with the deliberate murder of innocent children. It's all about their own offense.
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Im in New York so no, i didnt see any Syrian Jets
But according to people that were there, there was, and according to experienced and reputable journalist who came after the fact, a bomb was dropped and the injuries suffered by the people there were consistent with certain things...
I love how people thing a fractured Syrian Rebel group are all of the sudden skilled Hollywood Special FX creators lol... unbelievable.
The news in germany/austria are still objectively.
Baraka in the White House
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Yeah go ahead and add me to the list of people getting pissed off by this thread. Some of you are acting like insufferable pricks straight out your first semester at college.
Did they tell you that?
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Deliberate?
cobragt4001
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I know Alex Jones isn't a popular name around here but anyone with a brain or two eyes should honestly read the latest articles on his site claiming the rebels took responsibility for the chemical attacks.
No I'm not
phosphor112
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Not sure if this has been posted. It's footage of that school supposedly being used by "terrorists", loaded with ammo, guns and explosives, complete with a hand dug underground tunnel and rooms where they sleep and stock supplies.
It's footage from Syrian State TV (I think) and while I do think the Syrian Government can load up weapons and shit in there to make it look bad, seeing how recent the event is, it would have taken them a long time to "plant" that tunnel there. Especially how big it is.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=33d_1377842915
It's footage from Syrian State TV (I think) and while I do think the Syrian Government can load up weapons and shit in there to make it look bad, seeing how recent the event is, it would have taken them a long time to "plant" that tunnel there. Especially how big it is.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=33d_1377842915
Unlike you of course, sitting on your tower of oh shit I have no reading comprehension
I don't think he's pointing out the other guy's grammatical error, rather the funny use of 'were you there?'as the last answer
People want to believe what Alex Jones tells them without any thought. Control the media, control the perception of people's lives.
RustyNails
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Alex Jones? Ok time to bail this thread.
Care to defend this slice of total bullshit on syrian TV Hym? And don't say the BBC misquoted it or some other nonsense.
ButchCat
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What if I told you that your experienced and reputable journalists were fabricating these stories and that the FSA are little more than Hollywood Special FX creators. I'm from there and I know where the stakes are. These rebels are paid in cheques with weapons and ammunition continuously funneled from neighboring countries with the US and the collaboration of the west green-lighting and orchestrating the whole thing, so please don't tell me otherwise.
hydragonwarrior
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Why can't they forward this media to Russia? This shit is intolerable.
You really think Russia isn't already aware?
Yes, if you knowingly fire into civilian areas, and have been doing so with the deaths of innocents, and you continue to do so, I think 'deliberate' fits. It's an acceptable loss to you
oh zing me again BigDes. Actually I am different.
I'll eat a man's heart myself.
I don't know how much you know about Hollywood Special FX creators (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it.
RustyNails
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Russia believes every thing that shows Assad in bad light is a false flag operation by rebels/covert CIA/alien bunnies from outer space.
The program from yesterday,
http://www.zdf.de/auslandsjournal/auslandsjournal-5988366.html
http://www.daserste.de/unterhaltung.../29082013-militaerschlag-gegen-assad-100.html
tl;dr: An attack is not effective, a diplomatic solution is the better option. The rebels are dangerous and are equally bad as Assad.
No that's the people in this thread. Russia I suspect knows exactly what is going on, they just don't care.
Yet the bbc managed to not see any of that. I would rather go with the bbc than the mouthpiece for Assad.
Both you and Rustynail massively misinterpreted what I was saying and you thought fit to throw in an insult as well.
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