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Virginia sixth grader suspended for a year and prosecuted for not having marijuana

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benjipwns

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http://www.roanoke.com/news/columns...cle_67dc2868-0f0a-53c0-96ad-595a88391aa3.html
At first blush it sounds like an open-and-shut school disciplinary matter in a zero-tolerance age:

Some schoolchildren claim another student bragged about having marijuana. They inform school administrators. An assistant principal finds a leaf and a lighter in the boy’s knapsack. The student is suspended for a year. A sheriff’s deputy files marijuana possession charges in juvenile court.

All of the above and more happened last September to the 11-year-old son of Bedford County residents Bruce and Linda Bays. He was a sixth-grader in the gifted-and-talented program at Bedford Middle School.

There was only one problem: Months after the fact, the couple learned the substance wasn’t marijuana. A prosecutor dropped the juvenile court charge because the leaf had field-tested negative three times.

Their son remains out of school — he’s due to return Monday on strict probation.
It also accuses the Bedford County Sheriff’s Office of malicious prosecution, because Deputy M.M. Calohan, a school resource officer, filed marijuana possession charges against the boy despite field tests that indicated otherwise.

“The field test came back not inconclusive, but negative,” Williams said. “Yet she went to a magistrate and swore he possessed marijuana at school.”

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[School lawyer] Guynn has moved to dismiss the suit for a couple of reasons that we’ll get into below. One argument, he told me, is that under the school board’s anti-drug policies it may not matter whether the leaf was marijuana or not.
The events leading up the boy’s 364-day suspension began Sept. 22. The Bays said they’re still unclear about how or why school officials targeted their son — because they’ve heard three different stories about that.

“We know they relied on ‘tips’ that after the fact turn out to be less than reliable,” Williams said.

One was that R.M.B. was showing off the leaf on the school bus (which also transports Liberty High students) that day. The second was that it happened in a school bathroom. The third is that it occurred inside his homeroom class.

Word apparently made it through the school grapevine to Wilson, who took the Bays’ son out of gym class that day, along with his knapsack, which had been in an unsecured gym locker. They went to Wilson’s office.

There, Linda Bays said, Wilson asked their son “if he had anything he shouldn’t have. He said, ‘No.’ ”

Wilson then asked the boy to empty his knapsack. As their son did, the assistant principal personally unzipped a small pouch on the pack’s exterior, and found a crumpled leaf and a lighter. He summoned a school resource officer, Bedford County Sheriff’s Deputy M.M. Calohan

Next, Wilson called Linda Bays at work. She’s a teacher at Stewartsville Elementary School.

“He told me [her son] had been seen in the bathroom with a marijuana leaf and lighter and that I needed to come to [Bedford Middle School] quickly,” Linda said. She called her husband (a retired schoolteacher in both Bedford and Pittsylvania counties) and they met in Wilson’s office.

“He had us sit down and he proceeded to tell us [our son] had been seen in the classroom with a lighter and a leaf,” Linda said. Wilson added that their son told “several students” that “we had marijuana growing in our back yard and that his dad knew about it and didn’t care,” Linda said.
The assistant principal also told the couple that their son had told Wilson a high-schooler on the bus had given him the leaf. (The couple said their son has told them repeatedly he has no idea how the leaf got in his backpack, that he didn’t know it was there, and that he never showed it off to anyone.)

“I asked, ‘Can I see the leaf?’ and the deputy said, ‘No, it’s already in evidence,’ ” Linda told me. “We have never seen the leaf. He’s been out of school for six months.”

The boy was immediately suspended for 10 days pending an administrative hearing. That happened before Duis on Sept. 29 at the Bedford Science and Technology Center.

Wilson was there but the deputy was not, the Bays said. In the meantime they’d hired Bedford attorney Emily Sitzler to represent their son for that hearing and his later one in juvenile court. They paid her $1,500. (She didn’t return my phone call Thursday.)

Bruce Bays said: “During the hearing I asked Wilson, ‘What about the field test on the marijuana leaf?’ ”

The assistant principal hemmed and hawed “and finally he got around to it and said ‘I’m not qualified to interpret the results of the field test,’ ” Bruce Bays said.


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The juvenile court hearing happened late in November. When the Bays got there, Sitzler informed them that the commonwealth was going to ask for a continuance because they had neglected to send the leaf off to a state lab for testing.

Linda Bays told Sitzler they wouldn’t agree to a continuance. Sitzler went back to the prosecutor, “and she came back and said they were going to drop” the charge. That’s when the Bays learned the leaf had field-tested negative three times.

The lawyer “said the assistant commonwealth’s attorney told her they were going to have problems with this case anyway,” Linda Bays told me.

After that, “I immediately sent a letter to Dr. Duis requesting a new hearing,” Linda Bays told me. His response: “The court system and the school system were two different entities.”
The school system also required the boy be evaluated for substance abuse problems. So the Bays took him to his longtime pediatrician in Lynchburg, who referred them to a pediatric psychiatrist.

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But their son will remain on strict probation until next September, under the terms of the original suspension letter. A minor infraction could get him kicked out again.

I spoke about this case Thursday with the school board’s and the sheriff’s attorney, Jim Guynn. He said he’s filed motions to dismiss the malicious prosecution claim against the sheriff’s deputy because it’s in the wrong court.

“Malicious prosecution is a state claim,” Guynn told me. “If you want to make a malicious prosecution claim you need to be in state court.” But beyond that, he argued, the deputy’s filing of the juvenile court charge against R.M.B was not malicious. That’s because she visually identified the leaf as marijuana, Guynn said.

“The young man was telling people on the bus that he had marijuana that was given to him by someone from the high school,” Guynn told me. The attorney added the leaf was not dried, as marijuana typically is, but that “it was a little sprig” that looked to Guynn exactly like a photo of a marijuana leaf he found on the Internet.

And under the school system’s anti-drug policy it may not matter whether the leaf was actually marijuana or a similar-looking leaf, such as from a Japanese maple tree.

That’s because the policy treats “lookalike” and “imitation” drugs the same as the real thing.
Here’s what it says:

“The unlawful manufacture, distribution, dispensation, possession, use or being under the influence of alcohol, anabolic steroids, or any narcotic drug, hallucinogenic drug, amphetamine, barbiturate, marijuana or other controlled substance … [or] imitation controlled substances or drug paraphernalia while on school property, while going to and from school, or while engaged in or attending any school-sponsored or school approved activity or event, is prohibited, and will result in an automatic recommendation of expulsion.”

Guynn called that “a pretty standard rule across the commonwealth.”

“It’s the same punishment and exactly the same result” whether the leaf was marijuana or not, he said. For that reason, the Bays’ due-process claim should be tossed out, too, Guynn said.

Williams countered: “If the school argues now that they were justified in suspending him for possession of lookalike marijuana, that’s disingenuous because they’ve never argued that prior to the suit being filed.”

Guynn responded: “I understand what he’s saying. I disagree with that.”

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DiscoJer

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Sometime in the last 20 years, schools have gone completely insane.

Maybe it was Columbine, educators and politicians suddenly decided that schools needed to be treated like prison camps and treat all students as likely criminals instead of kids
 

Eknots

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This whole case confuses the fuck out of me, why such heavy charges for some 6th grader even if he did have 1 real "leaf" of bud, then why is everyone at the school such a fucking asshat
 

benjipwns

Banned
What's next, we suspend a kid for making a finger gun?

Oh wait.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/examiner-recommends-school-board-uphold-pop-tart-suspension/
A hearing examiner supported the decision of a Baltimore-area school principal to suspend a 7-year-old boy for chewing a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun. But his family's attorney is reportedly vowing to take the case further if the decision is upheld.

Andrew Nussbaum, a lawyer who serves as a hearing examiner for several school systems surrounding Washington, rendered a 30-page opinion Monday and agreed that principal Sandra Blondell of Park Elementary School in Anne Arundel County, Maryland acted properly when she removed the boy from school.

The boy, according to Nussbaum's opinion, told his classmates, after nibbling the breakfast pastry: "Look, I made a gun." The incident took place in March, 2013, only months after the school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary.
 

injurai

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What's next, we suspend a kid for making a finger gun?

Oh wait.

Better ban computers too.

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Valnen

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Something needs to be done about these policies. They should be illegal because of how stupid they are.
 

benjipwns

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This whole case confuses the fuck out of me, why such heavy charges for some 6th grader even if he did have 1 real "leaf" of bud, then why is everyone at the school such a fucking asshat
Children are our most precious resource, we can't have them destroying their lives with drugs. That's why we need to protect them by putting them in prison where they'll be safe and under watchful eyes.

If it saves just one life, don't we owe it to ourselves to try?
 

Loofy

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I dont really see a problem with this. If he told people he had cocaine and started showing 8balls of baking soda he should still be suspended under zero tolerance.
 
And so he learned one of life's most important lessons:

The people in charge aren't necessarily smarter than you, and might, in fact, be complete idiots.
 

Valnen

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I dont really see a problem with this. If he told people he had cocaine and started showing 8balls of baking soda he should still be suspended under zero tolerance.

That's exactly why it's a problem. No sane adult would think it's a good idea to suspend a kid for a year over baking soda, no matter what he claims it was.

We don't keep people in jail if the courts find out they're innocent just because they initially looked guilty. We shouldn't do that to our children, either.
 

benjipwns

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I dont really see a problem with this. If he told people he had cocaine and started showing 8balls of baking soda he should still be suspended under zero tolerance.
Well, yeah, because that kid is clearly making bombs, I heard about that on a local news report.
 

benjipwns

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We don't keep people in jail if the courts find out they're innocent just because they initially looked guilty.
We don't?

http://www.innocenceproject.org/

First one that pops up:
Joseph Buffey pleaded guilty to the 2001 rape and robbery of an 83-year-old woman based on the advice of his lawyer who told him he risked a sentence of 200 to 300 years in prison if he went to trial and was convicted. He quickly regretted his plea, but it was too late. Buffey has spent the last 13 years behind bars. Defendants in nearly 10% of the 301 DNA exonerations have pled guilty to crimes they didn’t commit.

DNA testing conducted in May 2011 excluded Buffey, and after months of resistance from the prosecution, the profile was finally run through the federal DNA database to see if it matched a convicted offender. It identified another man with multiple felony criminal convictions, including breaking into a residence and robbing and assaulting a woman.
Buffey is still in jail.
 

Loofy

Member
That's exactly why it's a problem. No sane adult would think it's a good idea to suspend a kid for a year over baking soda, no matter what he claims it was.

We don't keep people in jail if the courts find out they're innocent just because they initially looked guilty. We shouldn't do that to our children, either.
I think a year is a little much, but he should still be punished. Doesnt matter if it isnt real. People do go to jail for giving aspirin if they claim its an illegal drug.
 

Valnen

Member
I think a year is a little much, but he should still be punished. Doesnt matter if it isnt real. People do go to jail for giving aspirin if they claim its an illegal drug.

It does if you want a system that isn't fucking stupid.
 
I think a year is a little much, but he should still be punished. Doesnt matter if it isnt real. People do go to jail for giving aspirin if they claim its an illegal drug.

There is also the issue of it being based on 'he said, she said' that the claims rest on. No adult seemingly herd him make the claim, it's all second hand.

And honestly, when all you have is second hand claims and a negative result. i'd chalk it up to ether a prank on the kid, or a bad joke. Ether way, i'd let him off with a warning and back to class he goes.

Kicking him out of school for a year and refusing to allow him to ether see or confront the evidence against him, nor his accusers, it's just a wild violation of due process.
 

AMUSIX

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I think a year is a little much, but he should still be punished. Doesnt matter if it isnt real. People do go to jail for giving aspirin if they claim its an illegal drug.

Yes. Yes it does.


This is an 11 year old kid. At that age, we brag about made up shit all the time...sometimes to impress friends, sometimes to fit in, sometimes just because it's funny. Fake cigarettes filled with baby powder to look like smoke, pixie stix turned into laughable lines of coke, tales of how we went hunting over the weekend, pretending that you drove to school because your mom left you the keys. All of it just typical grade-school bullshit.

These teachers and school administrators have zero connection with the children they teach. They have a list of rules and regulations designed by some county committee, and they apply them blindly. If I had a child, my first question to his school would be to find out if they have a zero-tolerance policy. If so, he's going to go to a different school. I expect the staff of a school to think at least as much as the students do.



Also, you don't smoke the leaf...unless you're desperate
 
For someone that lives in Bedford, this honestly doesn't surprise me. The county has a typical small town mentality and im not surprised that the children in Bedford have picked up on their parents love for tattling and gossip. Hope they sue.
 

andthebeatgoeson

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I think a year is a little much, but he should still be punished. Doesnt matter if it isnt real. People do go to jail for giving aspirin if they claim its an illegal drug.
At the end of the article, they address if a student could have planted the leaf on the 11 year old. He rode the bus with high school students.

The parents don't know where he got the leaf or the lighter. Not sure why we need punishment if he was pranked.
 
wait what?
Let me get this straight
  • kid may or may not have pretended to be cool to his peers as he had a drug
  • school find "basil" leaf and lighter - kid could potentially have got well seasoned!
  • kid suspended as Sheriff Deputy/school administrator googled marijuana leaves and it
  • looked very much like a green leaf
  • goes to court as charges filed
  • tests revealed it was indeed not a drug and maybe "basil"
  • court case not entirely thrown out
  • parents file counter claim due blatant incompetence
  • prosecutor attempts to deny this on flimsy reasoning
  • turns out school don't give a rats as even fake drugs, pictures or any greenery can be
  • classed as drugs to witch hunt people in their rules

is that roughly right?
Crazy doesn't even come close, when i was a kid i had some candies that looked like cigarettes, kids at school loved them, we were the "smokers" we occasionally got some candies that looked like tablets, joked about doing drugs (technically sugar can act as one).....so we'd have been put on death row by this school
 

Simmins

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I am so glad i'm not in school anymore, because my friends and I did some dumb stuff like the kid. After we saw Scarface in the 7th grade we took Mexican powder candies and basically pretended, or told our other friends, it was cocaine and dared each other to sniff it during lunch where there were plenty of faculty to witness it. You know just dumb stuff you do when your young and around kids who are always trying to one up each other. I would hate if I was in school today, such a small thing could potentially ruin my future, and set me back in life. Worse yet ruin one of my friends lives.
 
I was interpreting "imitation controlled substances" as being things like synthetic cannabis (Spice) or any of the other designer drug (Bath Salts etc.). If that is not how their school board policy is written, I feel sorry for that community because those drugs are much more harmful to a community than cannabis.

Also, who actually thinks that people smoke the leaves of marijuana to get stoned??
 
Makes sense to me. If you don't enforce a strict no-leaf policy, before you know it all your students will be wearing tanooki suits, which gives the students the ability to into inconspicuous statues, if they haven't flown away yet.
 
Makes sense to me. If you don't enforce a strict no-leaf policy, before you know it all your students will be wearing tanooki suits, which gives the students the ability to into inconspicuous statues, if they haven't flown away yet.

The logical end to not enforcing a strict no-leaf policy is having a classroom of students dressed like this:

Ghillie_colors-1-.jpg


Taking attendance never has been so difficult.
 
The kid was dumb, but the punishment is absurd. Even IF it were weed, a 1 year suspension is way too harsh in my book. Such discipline should be reserved for repeated harmful acts to students or property. The sad thing is that if this kid were a known bully, harassing other kids on a daily basis - the reaction by administrators would likely be more lenient and he would be put on a behavioral plan and tested as LD.

Sometime in the last 20 years, schools have gone completely insane.

Maybe it was Columbine, educators and politicians suddenly decided that schools needed to be treated like prison camps and treat all students as likely criminals instead of kids

I was in high school when Columbine went down. The next school year we went from being able to sign yourself out at 18 for the day and open lunch for all students where we could leave the building for a bite - to strict lockdown. A kid was expelled after a paintball gun was found in the trunk of his car during a random search. Dogs were periodically brought in to sniff-out lockers. The courtyard where students were able to pass through between classes to get some fresh air was shuddered, resulting in overcrowded hallways and longer routes to class.

The "zero-tollerance" mandate was routinely rammed down our throats. It cultivated an "us vs them" atmosphere that resulted in unneeded animosity towards adults. Looks like little has changed.
 
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