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Wasteland 2 |OT| Explode 'em like a Blood Sausage
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tringworldso
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I'm getting overwhelmed with the character creation. Can anyone suggest a team build up for me where dialog (using dialog checks and talking my way out of combat), exploration, quest discovery is my main goal? I also want to minimize time spent in combat as much as possible.
AHA-Lambda
Member
I have to admit similarly right now, I'm just at Ag Center and tbh can't tell if I'm playing it in the most effective way =/
Just finished High Pool without issue, this is my team:
Sniper:
C: 4 Skills:
L: 1 Perception 2
A: 6 Sniper Rifles 2
S: 2 Safecracking 1
S: 4 Locking Picking 1
I: 8
C: 3
Medic:
C: 3 Skills:
L: 1 Handuns 2
A: 4 Field Medic 2
S: 2 Surgeon 2
S: 6
I: 10
C: 2
Leader:
C: 6 Skills:
L: 2 Assault Rifles 2
A: 5 Leadership 2
S: 2 Kiss Ass 1
S: 4 Smart Ass 1
I: 4
C: 6
Techie:
C: 4 Skills:
L: 1 Mechanical Repair 1
A: 5 Submachine Guns 2
S: 2 Computer Science 2
S: 5 Toaster Repair 1
I: 8
C: 4
Aside from my leader, most of my party has a bunch of excess skill points as I've only expanded a couple of them, namely my Techie picked up Demolitions, Leader picked up Animal Whisperer and my Sniper picked up Alarm Disarming and beefed up all their skills to level 2 or 3. Now I'm just holding on to them until I find I need to use them and when I'm a bit further a long and may want to expand their fighting capabilities. Like picking up Energy Weapons or one of the Melee weapons since I'm finding I could likely get away with using melee for the killing blow rather than waste ammo on a 2-8 health enemy.
Sniper:
C: 4 Skills:
L: 1 Perception 2
A: 6 Sniper Rifles 2
S: 2 Safecracking 1
S: 4 Locking Picking 1
I: 8
C: 3
Medic:
C: 3 Skills:
L: 1 Handuns 2
A: 4 Field Medic 2
S: 2 Surgeon 2
S: 6
I: 10
C: 2
Leader:
C: 6 Skills:
L: 2 Assault Rifles 2
A: 5 Leadership 2
S: 2 Kiss Ass 1
S: 4 Smart Ass 1
I: 4
C: 6
Techie:
C: 4 Skills:
L: 1 Mechanical Repair 1
A: 5 Submachine Guns 2
S: 2 Computer Science 2
S: 5 Toaster Repair 1
I: 8
C: 4
Aside from my leader, most of my party has a bunch of excess skill points as I've only expanded a couple of them, namely my Techie picked up Demolitions, Leader picked up Animal Whisperer and my Sniper picked up Alarm Disarming and beefed up all their skills to level 2 or 3. Now I'm just holding on to them until I find I need to use them and when I'm a bit further a long and may want to expand their fighting capabilities. Like picking up Energy Weapons or one of the Melee weapons since I'm finding I could likely get away with using melee for the killing blow rather than waste ammo on a 2-8 health enemy.
I played about 5 hours straight last night. Completely lost track of time.
It is just glorious. inExile absolutely nailed it. I was a bit nervous given their previous games, but they still have the magic of Fallout in their blood.
The combat, the writing, the deep interaction of character skills with conversation and the environment.
I can't believe I'm playing a brand new RPG that is as good if not better than the best created during the PC golden age.
This is the Kickstarter dream delivered.
My only complaint is that I didn't get my physical box on launch day. I want that map!
Now back to it!
It is just glorious. inExile absolutely nailed it. I was a bit nervous given their previous games, but they still have the magic of Fallout in their blood.
The combat, the writing, the deep interaction of character skills with conversation and the environment.
I can't believe I'm playing a brand new RPG that is as good if not better than the best created during the PC golden age.
This is the Kickstarter dream delivered.
My only complaint is that I didn't get my physical box on launch day. I want that map!
Now back to it!
oneils
Member
This game looks cool but I think if I get it - it will share the same fate as all of the other isometric rpgs I've played.
I spend hours creating a character or party and then after 2 or 3 hours in-game, I start all over again. I don't think I have ever finished one of these games.
I think I may have finished the neverwinter nights original campaign and that is it.
My casual ass has only ever managed to finish the bioware star wars games - just enough changes to the game-systems to make it easier for me (I guess they are not really the same type of game at all but an evolution of them).
I spend hours creating a character or party and then after 2 or 3 hours in-game, I start all over again. I don't think I have ever finished one of these games.
I think I may have finished the neverwinter nights original campaign and that is it.
My casual ass has only ever managed to finish the bioware star wars games - just enough changes to the game-systems to make it easier for me (I guess they are not really the same type of game at all but an evolution of them).
Turin Turambar
Member
I have the feeling this game is more old school, and that includes the philosophy of lots of combat as the main gameplay part, the whole "rpg where you also can be a talker who avoids combat " came later.
Twilight Princess
Member
I absolutely love shadowrun, will probably love wasteland 2. These KS games are superior to lots of AAA games IMO.
So far I'm enjoying the game.. some good writing.. I even like the running text commentary on the firefights.. oh and the first time I realized you could
.. good times.
Is anyone else getting screen tearing when they scroll the screen? The Vsync button doesn't make any difference. I have an R9 280x GPU, btw.
shoot the gas cylinders and blow up multiple npcs
Is anyone else getting screen tearing when they scroll the screen? The Vsync button doesn't make any difference. I have an R9 280x GPU, btw.
UncleSporky
Member
I think for the foreseeable future of this game, I'm going to save all my skill points and spend them when I come across something I can't do.
Like, some locked door will be all "impossible!" so I know that's the time to spend a point in lockpicking.
Like, some locked door will be all "impossible!" so I know that's the time to spend a point in lockpicking.
autoduelist
Member
Agreed! Part of more old school design is that you can't do everything in a game. That feeling of 'missing stuff' is part of the roleplaying... if it was easy to have skill points for everything, then it negates the need for a skillpoint system in the first place. Modern games generally let you do everything, so I think it can be shocking to many playing a game where you aren't all powerful.
I don't even know if that's 'old school'. It remains common today -- it's hard to design a game that has a tactical combat system as it's heart and then not use it. There are obviously 'no kill' rpgs, but they aren't exactly common -- too many people play them because of the combat systems (I know I do).
Thanks!
You should have a key. You'll probably need to log in to this page for your rewards:
https://rangercenter.inxile-entertainment.com/
Shake Appeal
Member
Yep.
Although so far my party has nicely combined to access 90% of what we come across.
Thanks, I must've used a different email for Kickstarter than my Amazon one, but I tried all the accounts I can think of and nothing. I have a confirmation email of the payment and a record of it on Amazon Payments, so I'll work it out.
The way I understand it, simply finishing quests a certain way will lock you out of a significant amount of content. Future playthroughs should have a lot stuff you haven't seen before, provided you don't do everything the same way.
I think I have about six sniper rifles in my inventory right now. The game just keeps tossing them at me (just passed through Highpool). Guess I should sell them since breaking them down isn't yielding anything useful.
Also hoarded like sixty shots of energy cells. Only time I've used my energy weapon has been against the
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Also hoarded like sixty shots of energy cells. Only time I've used my energy weapon has been against the
toad
Radio Tower.
Nah. I read somewhere that Original Sin's total budget was around €5M. The crowdfunding phase came pretty late in development. It helped a lot, though.
Trickster
Member
Ah i see, that makes sense.
Still though, wish this game looked and played as well as Divinity does. To me it's kinda offputting how poor and clunky this game looks and plays.
only played an hour or so, but it's enjoyable. Doesn't feel like Fallout 3 though. My only complaint is the camera sucks... zoomed in it's great, but you can't see enough, and as you zoom out the camera angle is useless... not to mention spinning the camera is a chore (and I can't see a way to invert the spin?)
Chance Hale
Member
Are the time sensitive quests based on actual time played or do they send out new radio messages based on progress? Ie, the city I didn't go to sending updates on their impending doom.
LurkerPrime
Member
The inverted rotation gets me every time.
I, too, wish that the camera zoomed in more, if only so I could take glamour shots of the action. I would almost believe that the reason they disallow it is to avoid any sort of focus on the less-than-ideal models, textures, and animations.
Chance Hale
Member
The camera was particularly terrible in the irrigation underground, there were rooms where I spent nearly 10 seconds trying to position things so that one of my characters could pick a lock.
Gotta remember that Larian's been doing the PC RPG thing for years. This is inXile's history:
The Bard's Tale - 2004 - PC, Mac, Linux, PS2, Ouya, Android, iOS, BlackBerry
Fantastic Contraption - 2008 - Physics game - iOS, PC (Flash)
Super Stacker - 2009 - Physics game- iOS, PC (Flash)
Super Stacker 2 - 2009 - Physics game - iOS, PC (Flash)
Shape Shape - 2009 - Puzzle game - iOS, PC (Flash)
Super Stacker Party - 2010 - Physics game - PS3
Hunted: The Demon's Forge - 2011 - Action - PC, PS3, 360
Choplifter HD - 2012 - Shoot 'em up - PC, Ouya, PS3, 360
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Yeah, inXile has been kind of a shitty dev until now.
Believe he's in a room north of the museum, may to rotate the camera to see the door along the wall. (If its not there, it might right before the museum)
Grrr. Restarted twice already, due to not being happy with party composition.
In essence the problem is that I have four character slots, but five characters I want to create:
1. assault rifle / leadership
2. medic / surgeon
3. tech guy (lots of skills)
4. sniper
5. melee
Not sure if I should go with 1 2 4 5 and spread out the techs over the other chars, although that would require more int on everyone, or whether I should drop one of the other characters.
In essence the problem is that I have four character slots, but five characters I want to create:
1. assault rifle / leadership
2. medic / surgeon
3. tech guy (lots of skills)
4. sniper
5. melee
Not sure if I should go with 1 2 4 5 and spread out the techs over the other chars, although that would require more int on everyone, or whether I should drop one of the other characters.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
No it should be there. Look for a wall on the left side of the museum, near the nuclear warhead
You know you can recruit up to three companions? There is a pretty good assault lady where you start, so maybe create just 2-5
You should give one of those guys high leadership though
LurkerPrime
Member
Is there a way to mark things on the map?
Larian's entire focus during the Early Access phase was refining, perfecting, and polishing the game and its systems. Obviously it paid off in dividends, and was due largely to their previous experience as an RPG developer. Wasteland 2 was more focused on simply finishing the game, which lead to this. I have to imagine inXile will fix and polish the game with upcoming patches.
To be honest, I think the Unity engine is holding the game back quite a bit. A lot of the more unusual design choices are also present in Expedition: Conquistador (another Unity-based RPG). By this I mean stuff like small, recycled areas with transition orbs, bloomy, unclear visuals, and clunky/stiff gameplay. IIRC the engine is bad at streaming textures, so it would never be able to do large, open worlds or seamless transitions in the modern sense.
Of course, using Unity is no excuse for the muddy graphical style or UI. Though, I suppose the former is more of personal preference; I'm really burned out on bloomy brown worlds.
Larian's entire focus during the Early Access phase was refining, perfecting, and polishing the game and its systems. Obviously it paid off in dividends, and was due largely to their previous experience as an RPG developer. Wasteland 2 was more focused on simply finishing the game, which lead to this. I have to imagine inXile will fix and polish the game with upcoming patches.
To be honest, I think the Unity engine is holding the game back quite a bit. A lot of the more unusual design choices are also present in Expedition: Conquistador (another Unity-based RPG). By this I mean stuff like small, recycled areas with transition orbs, bloomy, unclear visuals, and clunky/stiff gameplay. IIRC the engine is bad at streaming textures, so it would never be able to do large, open worlds or seamless transitions in the modern sense.
Of course, using Unity is no excuse for the muddy graphical style or UI. Though, I suppose the former is more of personal preference; I'm really burned out on bloomy brown worlds.
Hah, totally did not see any companion. Thanks! That sounds like a good compromise, will just have to make one of them with a bit of CHA / Leadership.
Nobody else answered me on here either
Thankfully you can check here for a temporary solution:
http://www.gog.com/forum/wasteland_series/screen_tearing_aka_vsync/page1
Also, as I understand it - Larian could have released Orignal Sin without using kickstarter. The game was essentially complete - it just would have been a buggy, unpolished mess, (maybe like Divine Divinity).
It's why I don' t think it's fair to compare the polish of Divinity: OS to Wasteland 2. You are talking about an experienced PC RPG team in Larian that only really needed kickstarter to properly finish and polish their game versus a team at InXile that doesn't really have a great history that needed kickstarted to even create Wasteland 2. Larian only had to worry about paying the backers and polishing their game. InXile needed to pay backers and create the whole game. I doubt they had as much money (or experience) to allow them to really polish the game. Hopefully, InXile provides some good post-game support.
I'm actually interested to see how Torment will look now that InXile has their feet wet thanks to Wasteland 2. I expect Torment to look and feel better simply because InXile will have better knowledge of their tools.
Anyway, I can't wait to play the game, but I'm in the middle of playing through the whole Fallout/Wasteland Series. I've completed Fallout, now I only need to beat Fallout 2, Tactics, 3, NV, and Wasteland before I start Wasteland 2 so hopefully InXile keeps up the post game support...
Ah, I noticed LurkerPrime essentially said the same thing while i was typing up my post...
Shake Appeal
Member
I've been wondering this too. I want to flag safes and traps I can't get past yet.
Shake Appeal
Member
This is a mild spoiler, but I really feel people shouldn't miss out, and it's on the very first map:
before you leave Ranger Citadel, explore the map thoroughly to find a Level 14 NPC who will join you. She has good assault rifles, hard ass, outdoorsman, etc., letting you hold off on pushing those skills.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
If you intend to keep that Lady (and I would cause she kicks ass) her other skills are
Brute Force, Hard Ass, Melee and Outdoorsmanshipthing
I did all my party experimentation during the Beta and spent like 7 hours on it total. But I really like creating characters and now it all pays off
Chance Hale
Member
Are companions a permanent part of the party or will they eventually leave?
LurkerPrime
Member
After having it in Divinity, it feels like a requirement for any open-world game... or any game with a map, really.
Edit
In the long run, this might actually prove to be the best use of Kickstarter - for polishing, completeness, and ensuring a smooth release.
Even with that Kickstarter support, Larian went all-in on development, going overbudget and overtime to make Divinity: Original Sin all that it could be. It might have even killed the studio entirely had it been anything less than a resounding success. So I don't think it's realistic to say that Divinity: Original Sin would have worked without Kickstarter.
hey I'm offering a Wasteland 2 key as a bounty for anyone who can help me in the "games you can remember, names you can't" thread. For anyone who hasn't yet taken the plunge.
I can't install my copy yet because I only have 10GB free. And I refuse to uninstall Dark Souls2 until I beat it. And Kerbal Space stays on my computer for always. Always.)
I can't install my copy yet because I only have 10GB free
. And I refuse to uninstall Dark Souls2 until I beat it. And Kerbal Space stays on my computer for always. Always.)Wasteland 2 isn't really what I was expecting, but it's been really fun to learn. I'll probably start fresh after a couple more hours, once I feel like I have a better grip on how everything works. I didn't realize how badly I was wasting points when I initially made my team.
The closest game I've ever played to this is Original Sin, so I have no idea what I'm doing.
The closest game I've ever played to this is Original Sin, so I have no idea what I'm doing.
I finished Divinity and loved it. Divinity does have better graphics. That said, WL2 has a lot going for it over Divinity. Much better writing and actual dialogue with consequences. Multiple NPC's that have story dialogue. Entire areas that are open/closed off due to choices made. Plus a more serious tone which I prefer over Divinity's more comical take.
Stick with it, game is great.
You can dismiss them anytime you want in their character panel. They go and wait for you in the Citadel.