Watch_Dogs downgradeaton confirmed

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Dragonzord said:
Considering it was the first 'next gen' game shown, I'm sure plenty of people did. Especially more casual people who haven't kept up with the game.


That's one hell of a theory you have there.
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The big issue though is that:

1. Ubi never said "This is the next gen version for home consoles." when they first revealed WD.

2. Ubi is not MS nor Sony so it really doesn't matter what they showed or even what they did or didn't say.


Now if MS were to come out and say "this is running on the XB1" and then a year later after people buy the console they release the game and its nowhere near what they showed. Then THAT would be an issue.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
At this point my protective instincts are kicking in and I hope she doesn't get hit by a hurricane of complaints. She's doing her job. Very clumsily admittedly, but please don't take out your frustration on her. It's the equivalent of seeing a pee stain in the carpet and finding your puppy looking at you very guiltily.
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I fear for people in her position sometimes, she has a role to play even if she isn't entirely transparent. The likely hood of alot of adolescent minded people throwing her insults is high. We have seen it before.

I wonder if there was not a face to that quote, would we be as protective instinctively. I hope Ubisoft have brought some fire-extinguishers tonight.
 
Pazuzu9 said:
So what were you saying 'we've seen the trailer'? Where's the obvious downgrade? Were you talking about a different trailer?
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I'm going to keep away from this one with a 10 foot pool. If you haven't noticed the differences after this many pages, it seems to be deliberately baiting people to start something and I'm not about to go down a rabbit hole that might end up with a ban.
 
Raven77 said:
The big issue though is that:

1. Ubi never said "This is the next gen version for home consoles." when they first revealed WD.

2. Ubi is not MS nor Sony so it really doesn't matter what they showed or even what they did or didn't say.


Now if MS were to come out and say "this is running on the XB1" and then a year later after people buy the console they release the game and its nowhere near what they showed. Then THAT would be an issue.
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If the game is really released on PS4 looking the way we have seen today, I'd expect plenty of pissed off buyers.
 
Muffdraul said:
PR representative.

This thread would be a little different right now if the PR was coming from "ubirep17" who didn't have their photo posted on the web. Just a theory.
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Well, then it'd be more difficult to attack the person since they have a shroud of anonymity. Even if it was a dude and we had his picture, it'd be still dumb to attack him.

You wanna attack someone, write to Yves or somebody, you know, important.
 
Occam said:
If the game is really released on PS4 looking the way we have seen today, I'd expect plenty of pissed off buyers.
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Sure, but it isn't Sony or MS's fault. Ubi showed a game, never said which console it was for, and people HOPED it would look like that on next gen.
 
polyh3dron said:
No but people expected a certain level of graphical capabilities on these consoles from seeing videos such as the E3 2012 Watch Dogs video that they may not actually be getting.
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These consoles can certainly achieve visuals on par or beyond that original teaser. It simply won't happen with Warch Dogs.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
I'm going to keep away from this one with a 10 foot pool. If you haven't noticed the differences after this many pages, it seems to be deliberately baiting people to start something and I'm not about to go down a rabbit hole that might end up with a ban.
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Don't bother. He's not really reading the thread so much as saying "Where's da evidence?", ignoring the evidence people are posting, then asking basically the same question again a page later.
 
Raven77 said:
The big issue though is that:

1. Ubi never said "This is the next gen version for home consoles." when they first revealed WD.

2. Ubi is not MS nor Sony so it really doesn't matter what they showed or even what they did or didn't say.


Now if MS were to come out and say "this is running on the XB1" and then a year later after people buy the console they release the game and its nowhere near what they showed. Then THAT would be an issue.
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And that's where you're wrong. The PC version is not going to look like this. Nothing is going to look like the reveal. If you go back and rewatch the original reveal? There is no 'Not The Final Product' disclaimer.

It is actual false advertising. There have been no admissions by Ubisoft, you're out of your mind if you think they want people to know that's what it looks like now. They're coasitng on the casual searching 'Watch Dogs' seeing that video and buying the game. It's like if a movie showed footage of Avatar during its trailer, but the actual movie was some low budget knockoff.
 
Vizzeh said:
I fear for people in her position sometimes, she has a role to play even if she isn't entirely transparent. The likely hood of alot of adolescent minded people throwing her insults is high. We have seen it before.

I wonder if there was not a face to that quote, would we be as protective instinctively. I hope Ubisoft have brought some fire-extinguishers tonight.
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Adding a face to anything means we start looking at it as a human being, and not a faceless corporation/bot. Not to mention anonymity probably brings forth distrust. Similar to how anonymity means people say stuff they wouldn't say if it was their real name/picture. If this were a PR representative with a 'le maymay' picture I can tell you right now I'd probably be there right now talking crap.
 
Raven77 said:
Sure, but it isn't Sony or MS's fault. Ubi showed a game, never said which console it was for, and people HOPED it would look like that on next gen.
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It now sounds like no version will look like the early demos. Only Ubisoft is to blame here for being deceptive.
 
SneakyStephan said:
watch dogs, forza etc were a big part of the initial console hype
specs were known already and people went LOOK it DOES look like a full gen leap SEE


they looked proper next gen and it helped get people get excited for these new consoles

people gave the 2005 e3 shit for all the bullshit cgi trailers, this is no different
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You know what else was a big part? Killzone Shadowfall. They matched the original showing. Infamous, which is finished, seemingly does as well.

Not everything that was shown failed to match expectations visually and the generation is just getting started.
 
polyh3dron said:
No but people expected a certain level of graphical capabilities on these consoles from seeing videos such as the E3 2012 Watch Dogs video that they may not actually be getting.
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Wait a minute, KZ or Ryse are not a good showcase of the next generation capabilities? Why did you use just Watch Dogs now? Blame Ubisoft, not surely the console. They can do a lot better, I think Infamous is tons of time better graphically of Watch Dogs & I never seen a downgrade on it.
 
Raven77 said:
The big issue though is that:

1. Ubi never said "This is the next gen version for home consoles." when they first revealed WD.

2. Ubi is not MS nor Sony so it really doesn't matter what they showed or even what they did or didn't say.



Now if MS were to come out and say "this is running on the XB1" and then a year later after people buy the console they release the game and its nowhere near what they showed. Then THAT would be an issue.
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Problem is that there have been plenty of demos looking way better than this that they stated was running on ps4. There were even demos with the ps4 buttons flashing up on screen. That should be straight out illegal to advertise that then come up with this.

I still think it looks ok, but it's the principle of it. They advertised it as running on ps4 hardware
 
Grindlefly said:
Problem is that there have been plenty of demos looking way better than this that they stated was running on ps4. There were even demos with the ps4 buttons flashing up on screen. That should be straight out illegal to advertise that then come up with this.

I still think it looks ok, but it's the principle of it. They advertised it as running on ps4 hardware
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The demo's were probably real on devkits. Reveal was not.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
I'm going to keep away from this one with a 10 foot pool. If you haven't noticed the differences after this many pages, it seems to be deliberately baiting people to start something and I'm not about to go down a rabbit hole that might end up with a ban.
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lolwat. I'm offering the alternative argument that every scene in the original reveal was carefully chosen to show the visuals in the best light, and many people are incorrectly thinking there is a 'downgrade' when they show other footage in other lighting and weather conditions.

Until you can show me specific situations where there is exactly the same lighting conditions in the same environment with the same weather as the original reveal, I'd say this opinion is valid.

It is also the opinion of Ubisoft themselves. Why are you talking about a ban?
 
Muffdraul said:
The only people I've attacked in here so far are the anonymous Ubi execs who forced the dev team to make W_D cross gen, and the lame ass WK brigade.
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Don't you think automatically applying the "white knight" label is a bit presumptuous? There could be a myriad of reasons for people feeling the need to defend someone. You making a blanket label of "white knighting" to everyone that disagrees with you doesn't make it a correct assessment.
 
AJanitor said:
Don't you think automatically applying the "white knight" label is a bit presumptuous? There could be a myriad of reasons for people feeling the need to defend someone. You making a blanket label of "white knighting" to everyone that disagrees with you doesn't make it a correct assessment.
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Whatever, friendo. I've been around long enough to know white knighting bullshit when I smell it.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming of tearing Watch_Dogs a new asshole.
 
Muffdraul said:
Whatever, friendo. I've been around long enough to know white knighting bullshit when I smell it.
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Does that make you the black knight?

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Muffdraul said:
Whatever, friendo. I've been around long enough to know white knighting bullshit when I smell it.
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I'm sure there are some of those, but I also don't think you get to decide who is and isn't.

Just not a fan of throwing blanket labels around. It smells a little bit of labeling dissenting opinions to make the appear inferior to your own opinion.
 
I think the game still looks good but visually it just seems all over the place. Watching that trailer a few times parts of it looks really nice but then some of it doesn't. It just looks like the daytime stuff feels super flat looking and maybe its just the lighting because alot of the the evening / night stuff looks pretty decent.

Doesn't surprise me much though rarely do target videos come close to what they promise here is hoping the game is really good because that trailer looked interesting. I'm not really a fan of open world games but I may give this a try it looks interesting.
 
Hmm. Just watched the 2013 E3 gameplay from the Sony Conference and downloaded the most recent video from Gamersyde and honestly...outside of the lighting, I'm not seeing much difference.

And until we see some rain and night footage, I'm not sure if we can say there's a big downgrade. Hell, the E3 gameplay didn't even have self-cast shadows on the humans. Nice lighting, but again...that's easier to highlight in night scenes. Of the videos and walkthroughs I've seen since 2013, the game looks pretty much the same as it has been shown to be recently.

I may be missing something more obvious, or some other recent footage that suggested it would look substantially better. I can't really say I give a shit either way, so consider me an objective viewer. Show me what I'm missing. Unless we're going back to footage that existed before E3 2013, in which case I'd ask you why you're using that footage instead of the last 9 months of footage.
 
I keep reading this thread and I sort of ... refuse to believe that that first comparison gif is from the Playstation 4. That car looks like it's from carmageddon, circa 1998.

At least I understand now that the bridge flashing white isn't some sort of horrible lighting glitch, right? It means it's "hackable"?

They were extremely wise not to release this in the same month as Grand Theft Auto V.
 
AJanitor said:
I'm sure there are some of those, but I also don't think you get to decide who is and isn't.

Just not a fan of throwing blanket labels around. It smells a little bit of labeling dissenting opinions to make the appear inferior to your own opinion.
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You seem like a really nice guy. I'm sorry you don't like my attitude, but that's life.
 
Grindlefly said:
Problem is that there have been plenty of demos looking way better than this that they stated was running on ps4. There were even demos with the ps4 buttons flashing up on screen. That should be straight out illegal to advertise that then come up with this.

I still think it looks ok, but it's the principle of it. They advertised it as running on ps4 hardware
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I'm not aware of any demo's where they stated "this is the PS4 version" and had it look exactly like the initial reveal.

Also, I am not wrong yet as nobody has seen the PC version running in person recently to confirm it looks different than the initial reveal. The trailer causing all this trouble is confirmed to be running on the PS4.

Also, what does it even matter if the PC version was downgraded. Ubi didn't tell you to go buy a new graphics card to play their game. They kept quiet on what was powering the demo and they never said "this is what the final game will look like" when it was revealed in 2012.

What we often see are "targets". What they hope to achieve by release. It's a common practice (unfortunately). Ubi is terrible at this, and they are probably the worst offender.
 
Pazuzu9 said:
lolwat. I'm offering the alternative argument that every scene in the original reveal was carefully chosen to show the visuals in the best light, and many people are incorrectly thinking there is a 'downgrade' when they show other footage in other lighting and weather conditions.

Until you can show me specific situations where there is exactly the same lighting conditions in the same environment with the same weather as the original reveal, I'd say this opinion is valid.

It is also the opinion of Ubisoft themselves. Why are you talking about a ban?
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First:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjUaA5lDeDY
Now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuAbH8Z8iwk
Lights system appears terribly downgraded now in the story trailer, animations too. At least, to me. I'm reserved to judge the rest, but definitely lights & animation seems a step back. Or maybe the story trailer is bad made, I can't say too much.
 
BloodMoney said:
In my opinion a $400 gpu could push that game (the Watch Dogs shown in the reveal).
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polyh3dron said:
I would think so too. Unfortunately we'll never see it.
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The E3 demo was running on a computer spec'ed "close to the PS4," so any downgrade is not from the hardware side. I really don't understand why they did any of this.

Dragon Age Inquisition is cross gen - it looks properly this gen in the gameplay videos (even at the pre-alpha stage).

Infamous Second Son, though it may have had a tiny downgrade, looks properly this gen and is not possible on older consoles.

If other developers are pulling this off, what's Ubi's excuse?.
 
dark10x said:
You know what else was a big part? Killzone Shadowfall. They matched the original showing. Infamous, which is finished, seemingly does as well.

Not everything that was shown failed to match expectations visually and the generation is just getting started.
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And how does that clear ubisoft of deceiving people?
Some of the ps3 games shown also exceeded the trailers but that doesn't change the bullshit that was the killzone 2 and motorstorm trailers

people fell for those too
 
Raven77 said:
I'm not aware of any demo's where they stated "this is the PS4 version" and had it look exactly like the initial reveal.

Also, I am not wrong yet as nobody has seen the PC version running in person recently to confirm it looks different than the initial reveal. The trailer causing all this trouble is confirmed to be running on the PS4.

Also, what does it even matter if the PC version was downgraded. Ubi didn't tell you to go buy a new graphics card to play their game. They kept quiet on what was powering the demo and they never said "this is what the final game will look like" when it was revealed in 2012.

What we often see are "targets". What they hope to achieve by release. It's a common practice (unfortunately). Ubi is terrible at this, and they are probably the worst offender.
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http://youtu.be/8z3iG2QlJXk
 
Yasae said:
The E3 demo was running on a computer spec'ed "close to the PS4," so any downgrade is not from the hardware side. I really don't understand why they did any of this.

Dragon Age Inquisition is cross gen - it looks properly this gen in the gameplay videos (even at the pre-alpha stage).

Infamous Second Son, though it may have had a tiny downgrade, looks properly this gen and is not possible on older consoles.

If other developers are pulling this off, what's Ubi's excuse?.
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Cross gen. Dumbing down the lead current gen version to bring it within range of what the last gen consoles are capable of. It's the only possible answer.

EDIT: D'oh, I didn't notice your comment about DA I being cross gen. Not familiar with that game at all, how it looks current gen compared to last gen. Possible the last gen version was the lead and they tarted it up, i.e. same situation as AC4. In W_D's case, they clearly started with the current gen version and worked backwards.
 
Yasae said:
If other developers are pulling this off, what's Ubi's excuse?.
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Mismanagement. Inept leadership. Pipeline issues. Splitting development between five or six teams spread out all over the world. Splitting development even further when those teams probably have other yearly projects (AC etc.) that they're working on.

Take your pick.
 
aruuuuun: If you dont fix the game I will *** in your mouths.


nirdafnai: FAR CRY 3 IS AWESOME


sherif_129: nirdafnai your an idiot if you believe that
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That's Twitch chat on the ubisoft channel, circa two minutes ago. This thing isn't going to make anyone look good.
 
You don't have to show targets to the public - you can keep those for internal use. If you're showing something to the public, without any disclaimers, then that becomes the gospel. What else could they possibly be implying with an E3 stage demo?
 
omonimo said:
First:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjUaA5lDeDY
Now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuAbH8Z8iwk
Light system appears terribly downgraded now in the story trailer, animations too. At least, to me. I'm reserved to judge the rest, but definitely lights & animation seems a step back. Or maybe the story trailer is bad made, I can't say too much.
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Wait... you're saying the confirmed PS4 footage in that first link has also been downgraded since then? I don't think that's what most people are saying in this thread - most are still comparing the initial reveal (supposedly running on PC, that is also shown in your first link) with the footage from the Italian website, which shows mostly daytime environments.

And now we're saying animation is step back too? Whaaa?
 
Admiral Woofington said:
Adding a face to anything means we start looking at it as a human being, and not a faceless corporation/bot. Not to mention anonymity probably brings forth distrust. Similar to how anonymity means people say stuff they wouldn't say if it was their real name/picture. If this were a PR representative with a 'le maymay' picture I can tell you right now I'd probably be there right now talking crap.
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Yeah agreed, I like to ponder the psychology of it. The puppy metaphor was spot on given that. If it was Cousin-IT, the tomatoes would be launched in abundance, if their not already (unfortunately)

Given the PS4 real name vs Alias options, hopefully that online offensiveness will decline, although seemingly it may not be fully implemented.
 
Muffdraul said:
Cross gen. Dumbing down the lead current gen version to bring it within range of what the last gen consoles are capable of. It's the only possible answer.

EDIT: D'oh, I didn't notice your comment about DAI. Not familiar with that game at all, how it looks current gen compared to last gen. Possible the last gen version was the lead and they tarted it up, i.e. same situation as AC4. In W_D's case, they clearly started with the current gen version and worked backwards.
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The division had to borrow some of the eye candy, sure they will add it back in DLC later down the line ;)
 
polyh3dron said:
Exactly. If the PC versions weren't downgraded I would understand but they DOWNGRADE THE FUCKING PC VERSIONS TOO.

This tells me that these Ubisoft reveal videos are every bit as bullshit as EA's are, perhaps even worse because they go to greater lengths to fool us into thinking that they're actual gameplay.
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It's not like a full game that looks like the E3 demo exists. They most certainly decided how much they would need to downgrade before all art assets were finished.

Also there are 2 main factors that affect how the graphics end up being:
  • First the hardware performance. This one everyone knows. A game is usually built around a hardware specification.
  • Second is money. One of the other reasons that Watchdogs does not look like that e3 demo could be the monetary cost of maintaining that graphical fidelity consistently through an open world.
I guess they could release that demo for PC looking exactly like they promised. But whats the point?
 
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