Afro Republican
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And games... And being told we would be paid if we found one on the shelf, and lying about it's specs, and telling us to get a second job, and...
What Grade do you give Microsoft this generation? (Xbox One/S/X)
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And games... And being told we would be paid if we found one on the shelf, and lying about it's specs, and telling us to get a second job, and...
HotPocket69
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I'd give it an N for No Games
Afro Republican
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Seems so far the people give it a C+ average. I can see it.
captainraincoat
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If this gen started 2 years ago it would be AAA but unfortunately undoing the launch debacle did a lot of harm to the brand.
I think next gen is going to be a different story for ms.
I think next gen is going to be a different story for ms.
Is your typing on auto repeat or something? You go into thread after thread after thread, and repeat this same phrase. It has to meet a very specific criteria.
• Must be AAA.
• Must be new IP, not an existing one.
• Must be exclusive.
• Must have been revealed since 2015.
MS has done all of those things. They just haven't done so with all of those in one game. I could've been sold that you were just pointing out this very specific fact in an earlier thread, but I've since seen you parading it around in almost every thread you visit.
I wouldn't call it a travesty either. Why do you seem upset that MS has plenty of IP's worth investing in? Maybe Sony should do the same. I'd much rather have a new Socom than say Days Gone.
Hinedorf
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I voted absolute travesty. I am a gaming fanatic who will throw money at just about anything video game related. Microsoft did virtually everything possible for me to make the calculated decision of not interested.
I'm not kidding when I say if there was even ONE exclusive game that interested me, I'd have bought the console for it. I almost considered buying it for Killer Instinct but instead got that for cheap on Steam.
If you love your X1, good for you. Microsoft will have to do something quite drastic to ever win me back as a customer because through this entire generation they've made it clear my gaming interests are better suited for Sony.
I'm not kidding when I say if there was even ONE exclusive game that interested me, I'd have bought the console for it. I almost considered buying it for Killer Instinct but instead got that for cheap on Steam.
If you love your X1, good for you. Microsoft will have to do something quite drastic to ever win me back as a customer because through this entire generation they've made it clear my gaming interests are better suited for Sony.
dottme
Member
This looks like what I expected. But the main thing is everyone agree that they are improving. And that's a good sign.
Afro Republican
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Big change-up from the start of the gen an the X really helped things.
LUXURY
Member
A D+. As a Microsoft fan from the beginning, this console generation for them has been nothing short of underwhelming in terms of content/games and . I didn't think many of their exclusives were worth any type of attention and it's looking to continue on that trend unfortunately. Perhaps next generation they can learn. I'm not sold on an Xbox One X either just yet.
kingwingin
Member
C+
i thought for sure xbox was done for after e3 2013.
but they turned things around, crushed it with backwards compatibility and x hardware, just gotta wait for the studios they purchased to start dropping some deadly single player games and they'll be at an A+ in no time
i thought for sure xbox was done for after e3 2013.
but they turned things around, crushed it with backwards compatibility and x hardware, just gotta wait for the studios they purchased to start dropping some deadly single player games and they'll be at an A+ in no time
MDSLKTR
Member
I was the same really until a couple weeks ago, but I enjoy it more and more. Really excited for the future.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
What did Sony do to right the ship on the PS3? I mean they dropped the price.............they...........(these are thinking ellipses).....removed backards compatibility in order to drop the price?
No honestly I'm actually curious about what else they did. They came out with the Last of Us...I mean the cell processor was still powerful but hard to use. What did they actually do?
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I can't grade XBox One this gen because I didn't buy one. But the reason I didn't buy one because it had none of the games I care about like Japanese games and single player games. If they continue like this for next gen then I can't see myself buying their next console.
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Petrae
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C+ for the Xbox One.
It's a tale of two halves. The first half of the XBO life span was atrocious. Poor messaging, poor resolution (compared to competition), the Kinect failure, and more. Microsoft played from behind from the start and— despite strong efforts late— could never quite repair the damage.
Positives: Backwards compatibility, stronger mid-gen refresh hardware/better for multiplatform games, very good racing games
Negatives: Not enough exclusives; older hardware really shows its age
It's a tale of two halves. The first half of the XBO life span was atrocious. Poor messaging, poor resolution (compared to competition), the Kinect failure, and more. Microsoft played from behind from the start and— despite strong efforts late— could never quite repair the damage.
Positives: Backwards compatibility, stronger mid-gen refresh hardware/better for multiplatform games, very good racing games
Negatives: Not enough exclusives; older hardware really shows its age
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Wow it seems like a lot of people's votes on Xbox depends on how heavy exclusives weigh on your decision. I think that's a misguided thought process. There's much more to a system than it's exclusives.
The question is how did Xbox do as a whole. The whole "crappy" start to the generation can only be referring to the botched E3 presentation and subsequent quips by Microsoft executives at the time. If that's true, then you're counting things that happened BEFORE the generation even started. All that DRM crap was removed before the system was released.
Now as for Kinect, that's a matter of opinion. I personally liked and used my Kinect often. I was a bit sad when they discontinued it. However, to force people to buy it bundled was a big mistake, admittedly.
That being said, I did enjoy some now defunct features. The Snap mode was awesome for playing games and watching sports at the same time. I did enjoy exclusives in the beginning of the generation. I even enjoyed the more recent ones. There was nothing there like God of War and well...that's pretty much it because I haven't played Spiderman or Detroit. The X made the biggest affect on my vote. I give it a B+. The quality of 3rd party games are unmatched and it's does thing my current PC cannot do for $500 bucks. My PC cost $1400 (monitors and accessories included).
Xbox:
Best Controller (for most games I play...not including fighting games. PS4 is king for fighting)
Best Network (hands down)
Best 3rd party quality of games on the X (disagree? Digital Foundry would like a word with you)
Best Beta testing program
Most consumer friendly
Listens to their customers the most
Game Pass (nuff said)
I could go on but I know I'm pissing some folks off by now.
Playstation:
Best Exclusives (hands down)
Best 3rd party support (not graphically...just games that released period)
Best price (I'm reaching honestly, I can't thing of anything else)
PS Now (I guess it's good now that they let you download games, a la Game Pass)
I do weigh exclusives a bit more then the positives for Xbox so I gave both a B+
The question is how did Xbox do as a whole. The whole "crappy" start to the generation can only be referring to the botched E3 presentation and subsequent quips by Microsoft executives at the time. If that's true, then you're counting things that happened BEFORE the generation even started. All that DRM crap was removed before the system was released.
Now as for Kinect, that's a matter of opinion. I personally liked and used my Kinect often. I was a bit sad when they discontinued it. However, to force people to buy it bundled was a big mistake, admittedly.
That being said, I did enjoy some now defunct features. The Snap mode was awesome for playing games and watching sports at the same time. I did enjoy exclusives in the beginning of the generation. I even enjoyed the more recent ones. There was nothing there like God of War and well...that's pretty much it because I haven't played Spiderman or Detroit. The X made the biggest affect on my vote. I give it a B+. The quality of 3rd party games are unmatched and it's does thing my current PC cannot do for $500 bucks. My PC cost $1400 (monitors and accessories included).
Xbox:
Best Controller (for most games I play...not including fighting games. PS4 is king for fighting)
Best Network (hands down)
Best 3rd party quality of games on the X (disagree? Digital Foundry would like a word with you)
Best Beta testing program
Most consumer friendly
Listens to their customers the most
Game Pass (nuff said)
I could go on but I know I'm pissing some folks off by now.
Playstation:
Best Exclusives (hands down)
Best 3rd party support (not graphically...just games that released period)
Best price (I'm reaching honestly, I can't thing of anything else)
PS Now (I guess it's good now that they let you download games, a la Game Pass)
I do weigh exclusives a bit more then the positives for Xbox so I gave both a B+
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Games, games, games, that all matters for gaming system...for me at least. Also it just not about exclusives, Xbox just wont get games that are not exclusive for no good reason like Dragon Quest XI, Ni no Kuni 2 and upcoming Left Alive. If you are fan of Japanese games, Xbox is worst system to get currently.
Odinnii
Member
C+. Original device was hot garbage. only games i enjoyed on it were Sunset overdrive and Rare collection and then MS went ahead and canceld Scalebound, the damn reason I bought the system in the first place.
Situation Improved with the X1X. I'm enjoying the backwards compatibility and the occasional console exclusive multiplat on it, having said that, MS can do a lot better.
Situation Improved with the X1X. I'm enjoying the backwards compatibility and the occasional console exclusive multiplat on it, having said that, MS can do a lot better.
LittleBusters
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D+, will upgrade in the future depending on how AAA exclusives come along.
lachesis
Member
I'm giving a Xbox One C+ myself. Even though I'm a WiiU + PC gamer at the moment - I was quite close getting Xbox One X last black Friday - but ended up not buying one. The hardware itself is great - but I just didn't find any games in particular interesting enough for me (a jaded, more Japanese-game centric one) - and ones that I wanted were available on PC/Steam.
Only games that I was interested in getting were RDR2 and RDR1 - but since I just cannot seem to enjoy raw violence and freedom of Rockstar sandbox games (I tried several of GTA games but never ended up really enjoying it) - so no matter how pretty it looked, and was quite tempted - but just could not justify a purchase of Xbox One X.
And thought about going to PS4 Pro - at least it has a handful of games that I'd like to try out, such as Spiderman, Uncharted 4, and slew of Japanese games... but at the same time I just don't want a noisy system. Heard new Pro is much quieter, but felt like it would be a step down from Xbox One X, on my 4k OLED TV. Still considering getting one, but I think I might end up skipping this gen console for now. So for me, Sony is a B.
Nintendo, while I bought my daughter a Switch - I"m still chugging along with Wii U and my backlog of Zelda games. When new Zelda gets announced, I'm pretty certain I'll pick one up near the launch of that game or sometime prior. At this point, I give Nintendo a B-.
Only games that I was interested in getting were RDR2 and RDR1 - but since I just cannot seem to enjoy raw violence and freedom of Rockstar sandbox games (I tried several of GTA games but never ended up really enjoying it) - so no matter how pretty it looked, and was quite tempted - but just could not justify a purchase of Xbox One X.
And thought about going to PS4 Pro - at least it has a handful of games that I'd like to try out, such as Spiderman, Uncharted 4, and slew of Japanese games... but at the same time I just don't want a noisy system. Heard new Pro is much quieter, but felt like it would be a step down from Xbox One X, on my 4k OLED TV. Still considering getting one, but I think I might end up skipping this gen console for now. So for me, Sony is a B.
Nintendo, while I bought my daughter a Switch - I"m still chugging along with Wii U and my backlog of Zelda games. When new Zelda gets announced, I'm pretty certain I'll pick one up near the launch of that game or sometime prior. At this point, I give Nintendo a B-.
BizzyBum
Member
F+
I was going to vote N but I did have fun with some games. Ryse was an underrated launch title, enjoyed the original Titanfall a lot, Halo 5, Gears 4, and the Forza entries but that's about it, and the only true exclusives out of those was Ryse, Forza 5, Titanfall, and Halo 5. The rest could be gotten on PC.
Let's be honest, it was a dreadful console. The initial "always online" reveal with Don Mattrick will forever be remembered as one of the biggest blunders of gaming history and Microsoft is still trying to recover from it.
How anyone is voting higher than D+ is mind boggling.
I was going to vote N but I did have fun with some games. Ryse was an underrated launch title, enjoyed the original Titanfall a lot, Halo 5, Gears 4, and the Forza entries but that's about it, and the only true exclusives out of those was Ryse, Forza 5, Titanfall, and Halo 5. The rest could be gotten on PC.
Let's be honest, it was a dreadful console. The initial "always online" reveal with Don Mattrick will forever be remembered as one of the biggest blunders of gaming history and Microsoft is still trying to recover from it.
How anyone is voting higher than D+ is mind boggling.
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Makariel
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This list kind of summarises my issues with the current xbox, it's just a watered down gaming pc with more restrictions.
I can use the xbox controller on pc (I actually do, along with the ps4 controller as well, both work great), I don't need to pay extra for the luxury of playing online with or against friends.
When you write best 3rd party quality, you need to clarify on console, since a high end gaming pc laughs at the X.
Most consumer friendly means in my view an open platform. I can install any operating system I like on my pc and thanks to emulators have a staggering number of even my oldest games still to play. I have more games on my steam backlog than I will be able to play in a lifetime and there's plenty of free games to pick up over the course of a year without the need to pay for game pass.
So all the xbox offers me is the ability to play the same games on a different form factor pc, where I have hardly any rights to change anything on. Why would I want to do that?
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I don't remember seeing a post about what grade you'd giver PC this year. I assumed they weren't part of the conversation. I agree with your points, if you can afford a computer and monitor that can make the best out of those features. I spent $1400 on mine and can't reliably do 4k 60. The X is 500 bucks and is doing 4k 60 on some games. There's simply more value there. No question.
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
I was probably one of the only Xbox One owners that was excited to have TV features integrated. I figured the game would be there, and for the most part they were, in the beginning of the generation. I bought PS4 for Bloodborne and literally just that game. So I guess I'm a multifaceted console owner. I'm interested in the whole package. Not many people talk about things like the 4k blu ray player, but man...Game of Thrones, Transformers, amongst other blu rays I own just look amazing. I appreciate those things as well that Xbox didn't have to include.
Rock And Roll
Member
Console launched as an overpriced joke and then managed to catch up with the 360 lifetime sales. The software is irrelevant since its all personal preference, but going from dead in the water to being neck in neck with console sales is not up for debate.
As it stands the Ps4 has outsold XB1 2 to 1 and we're at the end of the gen.
Makariel
Member
Bold part is of relevance. Quite a number of games work 4k 60fps on PC, if I just tweak the level of detail a bit (which the Xbox X is doing as well). Forza is a prime example for a well-optimized game that runs like a charm on gaming PCs. Considering the Xbox is effectively gaming PC with locked OS, the comparison to full gaming PCs is kind of obvious I though. Also, I can of course only answer the question from my perspective. For someone who has a rather fast gaming PC, the Xbox (X) seems superfluous. If you have a good PC it makes more sense to invest in a GPU upgrade than investing in a new console and slightly different ecosystem (arguably you can take over some games you have on PC to Xbox and vice versa). If all I had was a PS4, the Xbox X would be quite good value for money rather than the PS4 pro, I can agree with that.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I would again agree only if you can afford that. Not everyone can. Before I built my PC, I bought an X. I honestly bought the PC to try my hand at streaming, which is a insane amount of fun for me. I think that now that I have both, the perspective does have an affect on what I will choose to invest in for the next console. Do I get a Scarlet or a PS5? Do I get neither and upgrade my PC and stick with forward compatibility on the X? I think that will be a kind of clean slate choice because it'll be a fresh generation and I can compare prices in a concurrent matter, whereas before I wasn't considering a PC.
Razzorn34
Member
A solid N. The brand started out terrible this generation, and never really recovered. Lack of good exclusives and being avoided by 3rd parties(Japanese games in particular) is why I never picked one up. I've owned every major console since N64 era, and I could find no reason to buy an XBone. The only games I really wanted on the system ended up coming to PC anyways. Sunset Overdrive and Killer Instinct.
If they want to be on top next gen, Microsoft needs to get their act together and get some good exclusives and court 3rd parties, and not just Western games. The lack of Japanese games on the system is glaring. This has to be fixed to pull many of us from Sony, or it'll just be a repeat of this generation. You can't have a system of only Western games and expect to win anything.
If they want to be on top next gen, Microsoft needs to get their act together and get some good exclusives and court 3rd parties, and not just Western games. The lack of Japanese games on the system is glaring. This has to be fixed to pull many of us from Sony, or it'll just be a repeat of this generation. You can't have a system of only Western games and expect to win anything.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
To be clear, I wasn't debating that. What I asked is what else did they do other than drop the price? To which you had no answer. Thanks, duely noted.
thatoldlimey
Member
Solid C+
They have gotten better of late, but the quality of games isn't quite there for me yet, compared to the monster year Sony had. Also, the UI experience on Xbox is garbage, I really hope that changes come next generation.
They have gotten better of late, but the quality of games isn't quite there for me yet, compared to the monster year Sony had. Also, the UI experience on Xbox is garbage, I really hope that changes come next generation.
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
they desperately need to learn from their mistakes if they want any chance next gen. they shot themselves in the foot with the whole reveal/launch and they only started recovering with the XB1X, gamepass, backwards compatibility, and bring games to PC.
i bought an Xbox One and ended up returning it. Waste of money imo. Now I have zero reason to ever buy an Xbox again since I can just play Forza 7/Horizon 4/Sunset Overdrive on my PC and at better quality than on an XB1X. I've always said that the only reason I'd ever buy an Xbox again is if the next Halo didn't come to PC but it seems it will come to PC so yeah....
I can't see myself buying a next gen xbox especially if they are bringing GamePass and all their exclusive titles to PC.
i bought an Xbox One and ended up returning it. Waste of money imo. Now I have zero reason to ever buy an Xbox again since I can just play Forza 7/Horizon 4/Sunset Overdrive on my PC and at better quality than on an XB1X. I've always said that the only reason I'd ever buy an Xbox again is if the next Halo didn't come to PC but it seems it will come to PC so yeah....
I can't see myself buying a next gen xbox especially if they are bringing GamePass and all their exclusive titles to PC.
LittleBusters
Banned
My new policy is to put anyone on ignore who cites the PC Anywhere program as a negative to XBox.
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Rock And Roll
Member
So going from dead last to a tie which then carried into this gen which resulted in a sound win isn't righting the ship? Instead it's up to your vague definitions of success? Cool, good to know.
Also, it's "duly", not "duely". Next time you attempt to sound smart on the internet I suggest at least getting the spelling right. Of course, your intellect isn't surprising seeing as you are splitting hairs over console sales figures. Have a blessed day and merry Christmas kiddo
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I never mentioned console sales figures...you did. I asked a simple question, to which you still have no answer. I'll try one more time.
Other than dropping the price and removing backwards compatibility, what did Sony do with the PS3 to "right the ship" as was said before?
Also, if you think intellect is culminated in spelling on an internet forum, you're more hopeless than I thought. Just answer the question and stop deflecting.
Also, I'm 36...kiddo.
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Rock And Roll
Member
I can't answer your question because I don't know what your definition of righting the ship is. Clearly any sane person would say turning a console from DOA to a respectable showing over the course of 6 years would be successful but you have some sort of bizarre credentials that you need checked off. So tell me what consists of "righting the ship" in your world and I'll gladly answer your question
Jigsaah
Gold Member
My definition? I'm not the one who said they righted the ship in the first place. Why should I be the one to provide you a definition for something YOU SAID? Even still, a definition for what righting the ship means is not what I asked for. I asked for clear actions other than the ones I mentioned that helped them to "right the ship" as you said. I'm not arguing that the PS3 didn't make a turn around or a comeback of sorts. I'm only asking for ways in which they accomplished this.
Are...are you being serious right now? This is a joke, right? You cannot be this oblivious.
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Rock And Roll
Member
I don't think you even know what you are arguing anymore, you're just upset that I said the XB1 failed and I gave your little console a bad grade in a thread on an internet forum. Why you got so hung up on a particular phrase (which was used in the correct context by the way, you're clearly just a buffoon) is beyond me. Anything I list off I'm sure will not fit your criteria of whatever it is you are looking for, but I'll say repairing relations with disgruntled developers at the start who said they wanted to see Sony fail and that the Ps3 was a hassle to develop for, creating new IPs of varying success (Uncharted, Last of Us, Resistance, Infamous, Little Big Planet etc...) and getting their online infrastructure together helped in turning the system into a success. Whether you wish to acknowledge this or keep living in your little fantasy world where you dictate what is successful or not is up to you.
BizzyBum
Member
Don't get me wrong, I love their Play Anywhere, Day 1 Game Pass philosophy currently which I assume will continue to next gen and the Xbox One X is a powerhouse. Phil Spencer has done absolute wonders to the Xbox division since taking over and I'm excited to see their next gen offering with all the new studios acquired, Xbox should no doubt have a hell of a next gen if everything goes according to plan.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I honestly dont even know what grade you gave it and couldn't care less. I dont want to see any platform fail. For the umpteenth time, I simply asked a question and you just now are starting answer it, though I'm not altogether certain you intended to.
To clarify, since you seem to be getting increasingly defensive and assumptive of what my line of thought is, I owned both systems and enjoyed both systems. I gave both a B+, prior to this spat, which I think debunks your conspiracy theory that I have something against your "precious console". What you're demonstrating is called "projection". Look it up, you might learn something.