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What we know so far about the Nintendo NX with sources
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TLZ
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He comes from the internets.
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
For some reason, this reminds me this gif:
Bruce Willis' reaction in this is so perfect in regards to the reactions to the WiiU in general.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I think the handheld has to be first.
As for the NX itself, is there any credence to the AR rumor? Didn't Nintendo have a patent for a headset that you used while playing on the TV?
If ao, couldn't that theoretically work with other consoles/smartphones like the rumor stated?
FunkyDealer
Banned
I dunno, the 3DS seems to have more life in it than the Wii U. It can take another handful of months better. And it's more likely to sell better anyway, so it may not be a good idea to put it out first. It could have a bigger effect on the home consoles sales than vice versa.
May I ask, why would Nintendo want Mario on Sony and Microsoft consoles when they can still sell Millions on their own devices?
Because of the imaginary multi-million sales that are dreamed by the few around here who want to play Mario but don't want to pay for it. Next step would be to ask for Mario in the PS+ offers.
Rosti where art thou
I think those are his conclusions based on the facts reported in the op.
I think those are his conclusions based on the facts reported in the op.
Yeah the handheld is the most attractive part of NX, so launching the console first to get people to buy it and then inevitably the handheld is not a stupid idea but at the same time it's a huge risk. Getting NX handheld up and running is priority number 1, their domestic sales performance and whatever 3rd party support they have left depends on the success of the handheld. I would say the handheld comes first.
figuring out a way to let GAF down easy
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Rösti
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Dickens, my source is currently out of office and we have to wait a bit further. I've done my deal however. I only got an automatic reply, so I cannot tell when the chap will get back (hopefully it's during today).
Note that my source is in a timezone where it's currently early morning and the workday hasn't really started yet. Estimated maximum time for any sort of reply that isn't automatic is 18,5 hours.
Note that my source is in a timezone where it's currently early morning and the workday hasn't really started yet. Estimated maximum time for any sort of reply that isn't automatic is 18,5 hours.
Please understand I didn't promise anything, and I recommended you to not get excited.
Milly Osworth
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Oh the teasing... this brings back good and bad Wii U memories. Mostly bad.
xsapeguy2014
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Let me tell you something now!
No way will Nintendo Mario to Sony or anyone else! If you think you will get a full on Mario encounter on Mobile , think again!
Nintendo has said it will use its Ip's a lot more aggressively this generation, I happen to think there is a lot of NX titles already to go, or will be by time of launch.
Is Rosti a full on insider or just gets a bit informed like me?
You would not believe the secrecy clouding this project!
Its great though as Nntendo have all the gaming world on the edge waiting for news.
There has not been this excitement since release of ps3! FOR ME ANYWAY.
No way will Nintendo Mario to Sony or anyone else! If you think you will get a full on Mario encounter on Mobile , think again!
Nintendo has said it will use its Ip's a lot more aggressively this generation, I happen to think there is a lot of NX titles already to go, or will be by time of launch.
Is Rosti a full on insider or just gets a bit informed like me?
You would not believe the secrecy clouding this project!
Its great though as Nntendo have all the gaming world on the edge waiting for news.
There has not been this excitement since release of ps3! FOR ME ANYWAY.
They wouldn't, especially not since they are profitable again. But hey crazy thoughts are fun sometimes.
DaSorcerer7
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Silent_Ocarina
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I thought the same thing. Even gave a time zone hint as well. Hope everything works out.
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
I'm not that hyped, but I really hope to be impressed by them
If NX launches this year, I expect it will be one of two things: 1) Both a handheld and console that launches at the same time. This is so they can create a system in which gaming is done across both systems, and you have the ability to scale up and down. You don't want to launch your system with a hook, without its hook. 2) Nothing close to what we think it is, and truly a 3rd platform. This would imply that 3DS/Wii U support will continue into 2017.
However, I think Nintendo's initial timeline is not going to hold without some serious issues or a giant overhaul to how fast the company moves into/out of projects. They don't seem to move very quickly on these things, and 3rd party support has dried up without much else going on. They can't make promises to 3rd parties when the Wii U didn't meet sales expectations either-- so I'm curious how they plan to get others on board with a new system quickly.
I want more rumors / info on the Supplemental Computing Device. That's the most exciting thing potentially related to NX.
SCDs could become cheaper over time. They wouldn't be packed in with a controller/ screen or anything but a cable to link to the NX console.
Here's a (bad?) analogy with high-end Silicon Graphics workstations.
SCDs could become cheaper over time. They wouldn't be packed in with a controller/ screen or anything but a cable to link to the NX console.
Here's a (bad?) analogy with high-end Silicon Graphics workstations.
ducktape included!
Other than the release dates, all of this sounds like common sense to me.
I'd say it'd wiser to release the handheld first as it is their strongest market by far.
And of course each NX device will have its own exclusives. There would be literally no incentive to get both if it weren't the case. I highly doubt Nintendo wants that.
Pokémon for starters will be one.
Rösti;193223450 said:Please understand I didn't promise anything, and I recommended you to not get excited.
Oh, I know. My comment was directed at the common scenario where hype-GAF gets misled, like:
Rösti: thing on monday
reason-GAF: ok
IGN: HUGE NX NEWS COMING MONDAY
hype-GAF: THE PROMISED LAND IS APPROACHING
reason-GAF: no it isn't
hype-GAF: YES IT IS
Rösti: no it isn't
hype-GAF: FUCKING CONFIRMED
luckily it hasn't happened for this (yet)
The twist is I am Rösti's source.Rösti;193223450 said:Dickens, my source is currently out of office and we have to wait a bit further. I've done my deal however. I only got an automatic reply, so I cannot tell when the chap will get back (hopefully it's during today).
Note that my source is in a timezone where it's currently early morning and the workday hasn't really started yet. Estimated maximum time for any sort of reply that isn't automatic is 18,5 hours.
Please understand I didn't promise anything, and I recommended you to not get excited.
Sir, we got him. What shall we do with him?
"You know what to do".
CSI photo.
I only sort of remember that, maybe glanced over it, but holy heck, I'd be all over that shit because I love 3D. The thought of 3D console games on a normal TV (if I'm reading it right) would be sooo nice.
Fourth Storm
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Have we discussed LPDDR4 yet? That's something that might be suitable for the NX handheld as well as the NX console (if they are going the very small/low power route, as I believe they are). These modules from Samsung are faster than the desktop variety currently available. Is the pricing prohibitively expensive?
I've been pondering what type of technologies they might decide on. My tentative conclusions are that they could go with a 14nm Soc or HBM, but not both. As people have mentioned, if they go with 14nm, it will likely be a small chip. AMD showed off a Polaris GPU and it was estimated at ~120mm2. Maybe Nintendo could squeeze a bit more surface area on there, but not much. The other point which may be relevant is how large an area the PHY for HBM requires. If each block of HBM is a 1024-bit interface, I would imagine it would require a large area on the SOC. It's too bad we don't have any die photos, but we do know that all the chips so far w/ HBM have been monsters in size.
I'm gonna go with a 14nm chip w/ 512 GCN ALUs, maybe a combo of 4 A57(or A72 we can only hope) + 4 A53, and the 32 MB pool of eSRAM. External memory would be DDR4 or lpDDR4 (if someone wants to give me some feedback on what I posted above). Thinking more and more that they could ditch the optical drive, although I still don't believe the pricing is right for Gamecards over 8 GB in capacity just yet. Looking at Wii U file sizes, not many games require much more anyway. There will be an increase in digital-only software and more NFC payment methods, especially with their Nintendo Account/ My Nintendo set in place. Look at how they've handled Wii U Digital Deluxe and Club Nintendo. They are pushing digital -- data caps be damned. Third parties support Steam and rely on digital for PC software, so if by chance, Nintendo manages to get their Assassin's Creed and CoD back, it will be a digital release (or a box in the store w/ a download code/NFC card). Also do not forget the possibility of installing games to SD Cards, which they do currently on 3DS. If your internet prohibits such large downloads, maybe you could throw an SD card in the NX handheld and find another location to download your game.
My reasoning for this is that they are going to want a very small box in order to differentiate from Xbox One and PS4. This is how I see them getting there. I'm picturing something like Wii in size, but slimmer.
I've been pondering what type of technologies they might decide on. My tentative conclusions are that they could go with a 14nm Soc or HBM, but not both. As people have mentioned, if they go with 14nm, it will likely be a small chip. AMD showed off a Polaris GPU and it was estimated at ~120mm2. Maybe Nintendo could squeeze a bit more surface area on there, but not much. The other point which may be relevant is how large an area the PHY for HBM requires. If each block of HBM is a 1024-bit interface, I would imagine it would require a large area on the SOC. It's too bad we don't have any die photos, but we do know that all the chips so far w/ HBM have been monsters in size.
I'm gonna go with a 14nm chip w/ 512 GCN ALUs, maybe a combo of 4 A57(or A72 we can only hope) + 4 A53, and the 32 MB pool of eSRAM. External memory would be DDR4 or lpDDR4 (if someone wants to give me some feedback on what I posted above). Thinking more and more that they could ditch the optical drive, although I still don't believe the pricing is right for Gamecards over 8 GB in capacity just yet. Looking at Wii U file sizes, not many games require much more anyway. There will be an increase in digital-only software and more NFC payment methods, especially with their Nintendo Account/ My Nintendo set in place. Look at how they've handled Wii U Digital Deluxe and Club Nintendo. They are pushing digital -- data caps be damned. Third parties support Steam and rely on digital for PC software, so if by chance, Nintendo manages to get their Assassin's Creed and CoD back, it will be a digital release (or a box in the store w/ a download code/NFC card). Also do not forget the possibility of installing games to SD Cards, which they do currently on 3DS. If your internet prohibits such large downloads, maybe you could throw an SD card in the NX handheld and find another location to download your game.
My reasoning for this is that they are going to want a very small box in order to differentiate from Xbox One and PS4. This is how I see them getting there. I'm picturing something like Wii in size, but slimmer.
As you can tell by the OP, we don't know. But if what we're speculating is true, then we should expect a clean break from both the Wii & DS brands. Don't be surprised if the handheld part of the NX Platform is more heavily marketed, with the console part just coming along for the ride (but that's just my thoughts on the matter).
So hardware is still a big part of Nintendo plan. In your opinion and the Ops. Ok.
Fourth Storm
Member
Thanks, Al! Holy crap, what a chip!
Well, hardware is confirmed, both by Nintendo and insiders. So we are taking it from there. Amiibo is also confirmed to play a major role.
What also seems to be a huge departure is the use of a virtualized dev environment. Like Android and iOS, software development will be done in a common way, regardless of what's in the box.
Well, hardware is confirmed, both by Nintendo and insiders. So we are taking it from there. Amiibo is also confirmed to play a major role.
What also seems to be a huge departure is the use of a virtualized dev environment. Like Android and iOS, software development will be done in a common way, regardless of what's in the box.
Come to think about it, even the unofficial legit info we got isn't that much.
If I remember correctly we got:
- Shown behind closed doors at E3 2015
- Some Japanese devs have dev kits
- As of November 2015, some major western devs don't have any dev kits
- it's more powerful than the Wii U (Matt didn't specify if he was talking about the handheld or console)
- Matt said the handheld screen resolution is lower than some wanted (720p/1080p) but higher than what people were expecting (480p, same as the gamepad) so we naturally came to the conclusion of 540p because it scales well to 1080p and looks great on small screens (see: vita)
- some devs have said its awesome, to be excited, and it's interesting
- it's been refered as a console by Nintendo employees (could just be a generic term they use for all their gaming form factors)
- DQXI was sort of announced for it and then pulled back by square
- it will absorb the Wii U architecture
- AMD has secured a SoC deal for an unannounced platform in 2016
- Foxconn supposedly has to manufacture 20 million units by July 2016.
- industry leading chips needed to run what was seen running on the dev kit earlier in the year. Could have just been some unoptimized port
- Nintendo learned from the Wii U that they can't skimp on power if they want third party support.
If I remember correctly we got:
- Shown behind closed doors at E3 2015
- Some Japanese devs have dev kits
- As of November 2015, some major western devs don't have any dev kits
- it's more powerful than the Wii U (Matt didn't specify if he was talking about the handheld or console)
- Matt said the handheld screen resolution is lower than some wanted (720p/1080p) but higher than what people were expecting (480p, same as the gamepad) so we naturally came to the conclusion of 540p because it scales well to 1080p and looks great on small screens (see: vita)
- some devs have said its awesome, to be excited, and it's interesting
- it's been refered as a console by Nintendo employees (could just be a generic term they use for all their gaming form factors)
- DQXI was sort of announced for it and then pulled back by square
- it will absorb the Wii U architecture
- AMD has secured a SoC deal for an unannounced platform in 2016
- Foxconn supposedly has to manufacture 20 million units by July 2016.
- industry leading chips needed to run what was seen running on the dev kit earlier in the year. Could have just been some unoptimized port
- Nintendo learned from the Wii U that they can't skimp on power if they want third party support.
One of the GAF insiders did mention that Nintendo was breaking away from the Wii brand. And if they plan on unifying their console & handheld platforms into one gaming platform with multiple devices, it'd make sense to ditch the DS brand as well. But yes, hardware is still a big part of Nintendo's plan, that's actually confirmed.
I hope they go 14nm and get ddr4. Lower power draw and small form factor are Nintendo's modus operandi. But they usually use a process node that's been out for a couple years.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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just be region free
THATS ALL I WANT!!!!!!!
THATS ALL I WANT!!!!!!!
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