What's Dragon Ball Kai? Funimation announces Dragon Ball Z Blu-Ray Release
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ciaossu said:
The cropping is actually 75 percent off the bottom and 25 percent off the top. So you couldn't really replicate it on your TV (I think).
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I mentioned itSuperAndroid17 said:
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params7 said:
I was going to buy the Kai series, but might hold off a bit longer..
I used ti runa a DBZ fan site.
DBZ sucked. I'll admit that now.
I'm re-watching it as Kai is a more enjoyable experience. The flaws of the show are still there but alleviated. If you are there for nostalgia alone, you might not like the Kai cuts, but its insane IMO to say they are anything but an improvement over the old shit...
Granted, I'm heavily biased, but I think I'm honest enough with myself that I could admit Kai was worse if it was.
It took a crappy show I liked when I was 13 and made it better.
That said, I won't be buying any of this stuff. I think people who care to should go with the Kai version unless they just want to relive it, but I don't that much money to waste on DBZ myself.
I wish they would do a Kai version of Dragon Ball because I would like to see it. I know much less about Dragon Ball and its not engraved in my skull.
DBZ sucked. I'll admit that now.
I'm re-watching it as Kai is a more enjoyable experience. The flaws of the show are still there but alleviated. If you are there for nostalgia alone, you might not like the Kai cuts, but its insane IMO to say they are anything but an improvement over the old shit...
Granted, I'm heavily biased, but I think I'm honest enough with myself that I could admit Kai was worse if it was.
It took a crappy show I liked when I was 13 and made it better.
That said, I won't be buying any of this stuff. I think people who care to should go with the Kai version unless they just want to relive it, but I don't that much money to waste on DBZ myself.
I wish they would do a Kai version of Dragon Ball because I would like to see it. I know much less about Dragon Ball and its not engraved in my skull.
If these aren't cropped to all hell, then I'll probably be getting them.
I somehow also have memories of both the original music and the Faulconer stuff. Gohan going SSJ2 never happens in my head without Spirit vs. Spirit, but Goku never goes SSJ3 without the Faulconer theme. Weird.
I somehow also have memories of both the original music and the Faulconer stuff. Gohan going SSJ2 never happens in my head without Spirit vs. Spirit, but Goku never goes SSJ3 without the Faulconer theme. Weird.
Acerac
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ITT: people get petty about musical tastes.
Faulconeer is really more appropriate for American tastes. As much as certain people like to go on about how the original dub's music is objectively worse, that synth lynkin park crap is exactly what the show needed to accrue the audience it did. You think Americans as a whole want the subtlety of the japanese themes? Fuck no!
Maybe if it started off with Dragon Ball the audience could have been preconditioned to expect the more goofy tone... but wait every time somebody did that the series failed.
If you think that DBZ should be popular because of it's goofy story and not the EXTREME FIGHTING WITH POWER LEVEL OVER 9000 ZOMG then I could see how you'd think the original music might be better. Congratz. You are not the series' original target audience when it was imported.
Does that actually ever happen in the later half of the series? Or is it just Freeza/the Saiyans?
Faulconeer is really more appropriate for American tastes. As much as certain people like to go on about how the original dub's music is objectively worse, that synth lynkin park crap is exactly what the show needed to accrue the audience it did. You think Americans as a whole want the subtlety of the japanese themes? Fuck no!
Maybe if it started off with Dragon Ball the audience could have been preconditioned to expect the more goofy tone... but wait every time somebody did that the series failed.
If you think that DBZ should be popular because of it's goofy story and not the EXTREME FIGHTING WITH POWER LEVEL OVER 9000 ZOMG then I could see how you'd think the original music might be better. Congratz. You are not the series' original target audience when it was imported.
Zzoram said:
Does that actually ever happen in the later half of the series? Or is it just Freeza/the Saiyans?
This is how I see it...Staccat0 said:
Yes technically Kai is the superior version of both Frieza and Cell Sagas, there's no denying it.
However nowadays I look at the Dragonball anime as a supplement to the original manga. I've read the manga more-so than I've watched the anime, even though the anime is more nostalgic for me.
But honestly I enjoy the original anime more, for the fact that there's a LOT of content not featured in the manga. To me it's cool finding the differences, and watching the filler episodes (some are pretty damn good too). There's also some extremely funny moments in the series that weren't in the manga, like Vegeta getting ragged on for his pink shirt.
To me it's worth watching just for that extra content, which Kai doesn't have. I think Kai is appropriate for people who have never seen the series before...but it's still missing the entirety of Dragonball and the Buu arc, so it's incomplete anyway.
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Acerac said:
Imported where?
Acerac said:
It feels the opposite way for me. I understand how could someone think it becomes formulaic in the later half, but the Freeza saga is just its own and very different from the rest.
Piccolo's theme
So BOSS. This track was the reason Piccolo was my favorite character, just oozes swag all around. I got sad that in the end he wasn't the strongest character but his return on Namek and the way Gohan looked up to him was the best part of the show for me
edit, oh crap almost forgot the song where he fuses with Nail. Like the second coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK4DsD7xX4o
So BOSS. This track was the reason Piccolo was my favorite character, just oozes swag all around. I got sad that in the end he wasn't the strongest character but his return on Namek and the way Gohan looked up to him was the best part of the show for me
I loved when this played during Gohan's and Krillin's adventures. You could really feel the friendshipKeeSomething said:
edit, oh crap almost forgot the song where he fuses with Nail. Like the second coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK4DsD7xX4o
Thagomizer
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Listening though the songs posted, I don't like most of them, but the Super Buu theme is pretty damn boss.
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Hey hey, who allowed you to compare crap with gold?Odoul said:
Seriously though, the old Japanese soundtrack is MUCH better imo.
Fortunately the German dub also comes with the Japanese soundtrack. DBZ is one of the very few animes in which I perfer German dubbing over any other dub.
Flying_Phoenix
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Make new Dragonball series similar to Z.
Target it toward young adults.
Release on HBO uncensored.
Best thing ever.
I love the series concept, lore, and art, but holy shit is it juvenile. At the end of the day its a series targeted at 12 year olds.
Target it toward young adults.
Release on HBO uncensored.
Best thing ever.
I love the series concept, lore, and art, but holy shit is it juvenile. At the end of the day its a series targeted at 12 year olds.
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Dragonball is much better in that respect. It's still, ultimately, a kid's show, but it's not quite as predictable and formulaic.
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I want a mature Dragonball.Thagomizer said:
Get The Wire guys to do the writing or maybe Frank Darabont.
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Bjoern the Smexy said:
I bet most anime/cartoons are animated with the soundtrack in mind, thus replacing the original score with something different is simply against the the very intent of the product no matter how good the new music is.
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That isn't Faulconer, though.Vulcano's assistant said:
By the way, did Kai finish with the Cell Saga? No Buu saga?
This is a joke, right? While there's a time and place for everything, even "mature" Dragonball works in some respect, but completely changing the tone of the series is juvenile at best.Flying_Phoenix said:
There's nothing wrong with a series being targeted to kids, and Dragonball as a series has always been that way. If you want something else, why even have interest in the series in the first place?
Yeah, it's kind of disappointing. Would like to see Buu Saga and the original series be recut in the same manner.KeeSomething said:
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Big One said:
I agree. Batman should always be targeted for little kids. Could you imagine a mature and realistic Batman movie? Insanity.
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Flying_Phoenix said:
I literally don't see how you could do this. I mean, I can see possibilities to explore deeper themes with Freeza and and the Androids and Cell, but I just don't know how you'd reconcile that with flying around, super-speed limb flailing and energy beams, and an entire race of were-King Kongs.
The closest thing would be the Superman movies, and even those are pretty much just popcorn flicks.
Batman is easier to turn into a gritty, realistic-ish film because that was always kinda the point of the character once it got over the growing pain awkwardness of the first few issues. Batman and (most) of his villains have always been more grounded than other superheroes.
Lolwat. Batman doesn't target kids, it targets "everyone" always has and always will. Sure there are exceptions but it's origins in comics, for example, has stuff that could appeal to all ages. Plus Batman as a character has been written by many different people, while Goku has been written by one (ignoring the anime writers).Flying_Phoenix said:
Also you seem to imply Batman has never been written towards mature audiences before TDK...well I got bad news for you, son.
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I agree.Big One said:
I would also perfer, if there ever was another Dragonball series, to take it's inspiration from Dragonball. That feeling of innocence and adventure is unmatched! It was really silly, but there were also it's more serious moments.
And having blood doesn't make Dragonball Z dark. Any child can draw a comic with boobs and blood and gore. Maturity comes from good writing that treat characters in more realistic ways, even if the adventure is fantasy. A always felt that the most mature episode in the series was the episode where Gohan escapes training with Piccolo, and ends up with a bunch of orphans. In that episode, the leader of the orphans makes a hard decision to leave the other orphans to be "captured" by the social workers because they can take care of them better.
There is no blood in that episode, but it has a though-love moral. It's one of my favorite episodes.
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KeeSomething said:
My bad, I wouldn't know how to recognize it.
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Big One said:
This is complete bullcrap. The character debuted on Action Comics. Something targeted specifically at young boys. This is even less true when the series got even more cartoony with the edition of Robin and the "wacky" 60's series that everyone watches only for camp value.
Big One said:
What does this have to do with anything?
Thagomizer said:
While I agree on some points. The recent Hollywood trend is essentially turning comic books (something that targets 12 year olds (like Dragonball) to target adults or a wide audience including adults.
EDIT - To clarify I don't want something dark and gritty (I don't want Gears of Ball), but more so something made with decent writing and that is very viewable for adults.
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I suppose that's for the best. The Buu saga is a parody of the show, but it is fun to watch for the Goten and Trunks and Mr. Satan scenes.Big One said:
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MikeMyers said:
I'm aware of this. Dragonball stated as a parody of Chinese legends (most prominently Journey to the West- Goku originally was Sun Wukong in the early drafts) and always see-sawed between relatively serious martial arts and wacky comedy, which continued into DBZ.
GT was kind of like this, then it fell into the DBZ trap when they started getting to Baby. Something like this probably won't ever happen to be honest.KeeSomething said:
I don't think there is really much room to reimagine Dragonball into a dark series. In concept, it doesn't transition well into that type of style at all. Dragonball Evolution seems to be up your alley, since it takes Dragonball and makes it "dark" and "mature" in a lot of respects (though it does retain the comedy of the series).Flying_Phoenix said:
Though maybe if we get The Wire writers we'll get some REALLY black stereotypes, once and for all.
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Flying_Phoenix said:
DBZ Abridged.
Big One said:
GT and Evolution are both pestering piles of dog feces, not because they were "dark," but because they were absolutely terrible.
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Big One said:
I already got the cast:
Goku - Soulja Boy
Vegeta - Idris Elba
Gohan - Jayden Smith
Bulma - Niki Minaj
Krillin - Jamie Fox
Master Roshi - Morgan Freeman
Trunks - Brandon T Jackson
Marjin Buu - Tyler Perry
Cel - Samuel L Jackson
I kind of get what you're saying, but it would really be impossible for anything like this to be made. I find DBZ as a series to be very viewable even as an adult, but only on a respect that I'm nostalgic about it. As a series Dragonball is pretty disjointed and poorly written, and holds up merely because of it's interesting world/setting. If you want a better written version of Dragonball just read One Piece or something.Flying_Phoenix said:
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Flying_Phoenix said:
I believe that the Bardock OVA is the most consistent part of DBZ within those parameters, and is pretty damn good. I Wouldn't mind the whole series to be as concise as that. (though i would prefer it was more concise on the animation quality, 1/3 of the series looks like if it was animated by a external crew making a cheap rip off)
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Big One said:
One Piece is even worse written than DBZ IMO.
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Big One said:
Quite a lot of this was because Toriyama basically just made it up as he went and didn't keep notes. This resulted in a ton of contradictions, accidental retcons, shit that just doesn't make sense, and situations where he backed himself into a corner with his own writing (power levels being the most obvious), forgetting about previously established plot points and even entire characters- he completely forgot about a major character (Launch), and most of the cast just kinda drops off until the only people who are relevant are Goku, Vegeta, and their sons. And even then, one could argue that everyone besides Goku and Gohan are just distractions at best.
DBZ forums are, to this day, still great fun to wade into with a barrel of popcorn and just watch the poo fly. The Comments section of DB Multiverse is unreadable because of it.
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