What's Dragon Ball Kai? Funimation announces Dragon Ball Z Blu-Ray Release

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Flying_Phoenix said:
The emotional moments.
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The emotional moments in One Piece are some of the best shonen writing out there, not sure what you mean.

One Piece also is more concise, keeps track of it's ridiculously large cast, has a more interesting world, better fights, etc. It's also based off Dragonball in a lot of respects, only done better.
 
Big One said:
The emotional moments in One Piece are some of the best shonen writing out there, not sure what you mean.
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Regardless of my view points. Is this really saying much?

I use to be a MASSIVE One Piece fan in case you were wondering. Got all the way to Whitebeard prison break arc and said "screw it!"
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
Regardless of my view points. Is this really saying much?

I use to be a MASSIVE One Piece fan in case you were wondering. Got all the way to Whitebeard prison break arc and said "screw it!"
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So you gave up when the series was continuously getting better? Okay...

And yeah that's saying a lot, One Piece is well-written, there isn't any denying it. Now I don't want to turn this into a big subject, but if you love Dragonball as a series, most likely you're going to love One Piece which is pretty much a better version of Dragonball in aesthetic and tone. Of course, most DBZ fanboys are going to mock me for saying that cause One Piece is "gay" and "shit"
 
Big One said:
So you gave up when the series was continuously getting better? Okay...

And yeah that's saying a lot, One Piece is well-written, there isn't any denying it. Now I don't want to turn this into a big subject, but if you love Dragonball as a series, most likely you're going to love One Piece which is pretty much a better version of Dragonball in aesthetic and tone. Of course, most DBZ fanboys are going to mock me for saying that cause One Piece is "gay" and "shit"
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I just find the art style to be ugly and I don't really like the premise.

That said, I am willing to say that most of my affection for DBZ is nostalgia and that I would declare it to be crap if I discovered it today. This happened with me to Naruto- I liked it at first because of the interesting premise, but it quickly started to lose me because it's just the same Shounen crud in a shiny wrapper. If I found it when I was 12, I'd remember it as fondly as I do DBZ.
 
Thagomizer said:
Quite a lot of this was because Toriyama basically just made it up as he went and didn't keep notes. This resulted in a ton of contradictions, accidental retcons, shit that just doesn't make sense, and situations where he backed himself into a corner with his own writing (power levels being the most obvious), forgetting about previously established plot points and even entire characters- he completely forgot about a major character (Launch), and most of the cast just kinda drops off until the only people who are relevant are Goku, Vegeta, and their sons. And even then, one could argue that everyone besides Goku and Gohan are just distractions at best.

DBZ forums are, to this day, still great fun to wade into with a barrel of popcorn and just watch the poo fly. The Comments section of DB Multiverse is unreadable because of it.
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Although I think you make some good points overall, I disagree with Launch. She was never a major character honestly, she really did anything to progress the plot.
 
MikeMyers said:
Although I think you make some good points overall, I disagree with Launch. She was never a major character honestly, she really did anything to progress the plot.
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It's been a while since I've seen Dragonball, but I remember her having a fairly big role during one of the tournament arcs. Can't remember what she did, though, so you are probably right.

Even so, just straight up forgetting a supporting characters' existence altogether is pretty damn laughable for an author, especially when you've drawn her dozens of times and when she has a gimmick like Launch's.
 
Does anybody remember that site Planetnamek.com that had a shit load of DBZ info? I used to read it during my early days of the internet.
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
One Piece is even worse written than DBZ IMO.
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LOL

Toriyama would be the first to admit that Dragon Ball wasn't thought out all that well. Oda's had his shit planned out since the beginning (over 10 years ago) and continues to introduce plot points he's hinted at years prior.

However, One Piece definitely wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for Dragon Ball and Toriyama's influence on Oda... but it's 100% a better written manga in damn near every way.
 
Thagomizer said:
It's been a while since I've seen Dragonball, but I remember her having a fairly big role during one of the tournament arcs. Can't remember what she did, though, so you are probably right.

Even so, just straight up forgetting a supporting characters' existence altogether is pretty damn laughable for an author, especially when you've drawn her dozens of times and when she has a gimmick like Launch's.
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They showed her getting drunk in the Saiyan Saga due to depression over her lost love interest. Was cut in the dub, however.

Lunch was a neat character, but I can't imagine what role she'd have in DBZ. Would you be happier if she got a token role like Yamcha or Yajirobe?

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Yes, One Piece is amazing. it's just so fucking long.... but that's really a good thing as it improves every arc.

Also, HOLY SHIT PLANETNAMEK.COM THAT WAS MY FIRST FORUM!

I'd forgotten about that place. Oh the memories, trolling Frieza's Girl. Who the fuck names their account that, seriously?
 
Acerac said:
They showed her getting drunk in the Saiyan Saga due to depression over her lost love interest. Was cut in the dub, however.

Lunch was a neat character, but I can't imagine what role she'd have in DBZ. Would you be happier if she got a token role like Yamcha or Yajirobe?
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He didn't write her out or anything, though, he just forgot her existence.

I don't really mind the specific character being gone at all. SHe would have just been a background character had she stayed and offered nothing but maybe some comic relief. If Akira had conciously written her out, I would have been fine with it, but just forgetting a character is really sloppy writing. It's more about the weakness in how Toriyama does things than anything else.
 
planetnamek.com was fucking old school. I totally remember that site. And it's power levels.

I also remember Greg Werner's Ultimate DBZ Information Site. So much mis-information has come from that website. Greg was pretty much the first person on the internet to translate the Daizenshuu, and although most of it was spot on, his Japanese was poor at the time and some of the mistranslations persist to this day. Including an incorrect battle power list and years in the Dragon Ball world being referred to as "A.D" instead of "AGE".
 
Anth0ny said:
planetnamek.com was fucking old school. I totally remember that site. And it's power levels.

I also remember Greg Werner's Ultimate DBZ Information Site. So much mis-information has come from that website. Greg was pretty much the first person on the internet to translate the Daizenshuu, and although most of it was spot on, his Japanese was poor at the time and some of the mistranslations persist to this day. Including an incorrect battle power list and years in the Dragon Ball world being referred to as "A.D" instead of "AGE".
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Yeah, he translated Freeza's 120 million PL to 12 million.
 
Anth0ny said:
Honestly, they made it work with GT. Kinda. I think the evil dragons was an awesome idea, but the execution was so, so wrong.

They'd think of something.
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It was still BS though.

I really doubt any new enemies should of been strong enough to challange any of the good guys by this point.
 
Big One said:
Lolwat. What does Japanese music have to do with Goku's voice acting?
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The falcon cannot hear the Faulconer. Things fall apart.

I'm just saying that there's nothing of merit in the Japanese sound track from the music to the VA. Every single sonic element > in NA localization.
 
Freshmaker said:
The falcon cannot hear the Faulconer. Things fall apart.

I'm just saying that there's nothing of merit in the Japanese sound track from the music to the VA. Every single sonic element > in NA localization.
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Sure if you're stuck with the mentality of a 13-year-old who thinks DBZ is deep
 
perfectnight said:
Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Ghost In The Shell: SOC, DBZ and Trigun..

if you watch any of those shows in Japanese you are doing it wrong.
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I hate the Japanese sub crowd who think it's the end all be all. It's not. I find most Japanese voice actors in anime today and in the past to be absolutely GOD AWFUL. Bleach is pretty much the only Sub that's actually pretty damn great, IMHO. Everything else is either meh, or trash.
 
Kagari said:
This thread is hilarious.

The dub OST fails because it doesn't have Unmei no Hi.
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This. So much this.

If you buy these Blu Rays, you are a fool (17-20 sets over 291 episodes equals 16-17 volumes). Straight up. Buy the Dragon Boxes then never buy again.

TacticalFox88 said:
I hate the Japanese sub crowd who think it's the end all be all. It's not. I find most Japanese voice actors in anime today and in the past to be absolutely GOD AWFUL. Bleach is pretty much the only Sub that's actually pretty damn great, IMHO. Everything else is either meh, or trash.
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You say Japanese voice actors are god awful, then cite Bleach as an example of a "great" one? I'm...just going to leave now.
 
perfectnight said:
Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Ghost In The Shell: SOC, DBZ and Trigun..

if you watch any of those shows in Japanese you are doing it wrong.
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The FLCL dub is not good.

I agree with the rest though.
 
As somebody who is just getting back into anime, (watched anime in the early 2000s, but even then it was only the Toonami stuff like Dragon Ball, Cowboy Bebop, and Gundam.) I really want to get into One Piece, but the episode count is to scary to get into.

I really need to pick up the Dragon Box sets though. Any news if they'll do something like this for Dragon Ball? I always preferred it to Dragon Ball Z.
 
Freshmaker said:
The falcon cannot hear the Faulconer. Things fall apart.

I'm just saying that there's nothing of merit in the Japanese sound track from the music to the VA. Every single sonic element > in NA localization.
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The music alone is not better than the american (for me it is, though), but the fact that it was originally animated with it in mind, makes it much more fitting to the rhythm of the series. Though by what I have watched I don't remember if there is a different editing for the american episodes (which are fewer), to fix it to the new pace .
 
vferrel said:
As somebody who is just getting back into anime, (watched anime in the early 2000s, but even then it was only the Toonami stuff like Dragon Ball, Cowboy Bebop, and Gundam.) I really want to get into One Piece, but the episode count is to scary to get into..
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Watch Ghost in The Shell Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Champloo, Kaiba, Mushi-shi and Baccano!. Then stop watching anime.

And if you want to get into OP I recommend the manga. Easier to digest than the anime.
 
perfectnight said:
Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Ghost In The Shell: SOC, DBZ and Trigun..

if you watch any of those shows in Japanese you are doing it wrong.
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True story, I can only watch the Original Ghost in the Shell of 97(?) (and a bunch of other movies ) in European Spanish, I'm not even Spaniard.
 
vferrel said:
I really need to pick up the Dragon Box sets though. Any news if they'll do something like this for Dragon Ball? I always preferred it to Dragon Ball Z.
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Dragon Boxes were a release that didn't exactly do extraordinarily well. It's a crapshoot if we'll see Movie, DB, and GT Dragon Boxes. They exist in Japan, but who knows.

Big One said:
How?

I mean have you even read the series in completion to say this?

How is it worse written?
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I wouldn't say the series is worse written (it's hard to do worse than a series where a man makes shit as he goes along, and only is in his profession for the money), but I'd definitely say it is the worse series.

One Piece is Dragon Ball if Dragon Ball was produced by a squad of a production committee only interested in selling toys (hence the huge ass cast of characters that are always brought up even when they don't need to be). The story's paint by numbers, and because of that is very, very dull. The characters are archetypes that we've seen so many times before (the lovable but clumsy leader, the double crosser, the sketchy best friend, etc.) that you've felt like you've seen this all before. Thus it's difficult to actually want to watch it. I gave up on One Piece earlier than Naruto, and I hate Naruto.

Staccat0 said:
I wish they would do a Kai version of Dragon Ball because I would like to see it. I know much less about Dragon Ball and its not engraved in my skull.
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There's very little filler in the Dragon Ball anime to warrant a Kai version. Besides, I wouldn't want anyone missing the Piccolo Daimao/Ma Junior arch, as its one of the best in the series.

Deadly Joker said:
So is the Kai series any good?

I was thinking about buying some of the Kai versions on Blu Ray.
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Kai is quite honestly the laziest production this franchise has ever seen. It's so clear that Toei didn't give a crap about it, and was hoping to score some gold. The show re-uses 20 year old footage, features stunt-casting, and ignores the final saga of the series in favor of pushing a new show that's doing worse than Kai.

ciaossu said:
Wow... who thought that was a good idea :lol

If someone wants that view they could use 'zoom' mode on their tv.
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It was done because Funimation's masters for Dragon Ball Z are really, really old and were poorly maintained. Their reels suffered from severe film rot, tearing, and other things. Rather than spending the money to fix these issues, they just decided to chop off the offending parts - which were usually the top and bottom.

Flying_Phoenix said:
Make new Dragonball series similar to Z.

Target it toward young adults.

Release on HBO uncensored.

Best thing ever.

I love the series concept, lore, and art, but holy shit is it juvenile. At the end of the day its a series targeted at 12 year olds.
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This would never happen.

Dragon Ball has always been aimed at children, and due to that families. While it is true that a portion of Kai's viewing audience in Japan was of an older audience than expected, this just made Kai a show easier to kill. In Japan these large shonen epics are made to sell toys, games, noodles, cereal, body deodorant, etc. As such, they're always targeted at everyone, and that includes kids. To make an "adult" version of Dragon Ball would not only go against the series morals, but would go against what the production companies want. When a show doesn't push as much products, it gets cancelled. See Dragon Ball Kai, which despite doing very well in the ratings (the show that has since replaced it, having yet to surpass its ratings) was unceremoniously cancelled in the worst way possible. Now, to be fair Kai didn't get cancelled because it was aimed at an older audience who weren't going to buy merch, it was cancelled because Toei and Bandai had saturated Japan with so much Dragon Ball merch over the past 10 years without any new ideas to push that they had well past saturation.
 
Sounds like a great deal and point of entry to the DBZ franchise. Since I will hopefully be caught up on all the One Piece disc releases by November, I guess I will transition to finally giving DBZ a try. 17 episodes is a lot though I hppe they can give more than four a year, that way all 18 volumes will be out in no time.

I hope I can enjoy the series as it would be the oldest anime series I would have ever seen (wow its older than Eva!?)
 
I read the press release again and saw this:
Developments in restoration software gives mastering artists more to work with when they apply tools to even out film grain and remove fading, film cuts and other visual anomalies. As a result, the viewer will see brighter, clearer colors, less variance in quality between scenes, and a sharper image.
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Lol. This is gonna look like shit; they are going to DNR+EE the hell out of it.
 
I bought the entire set of the horribly overcropped versions a couple years back. As much as that bothered me, I was just happy to finally have easy access to a full collection. That said, there's no way in hell I'm going to bite on this. How many times are they going to release this series?
 
This may be as good as place as any to ask this question. I watched this show when I was young, like in the 1997 and 1998 all on shitty fansubs. If I was going to undertake getting the best Japanese audio and video of this series where would I start?
 
Takao said:
One Piece is Dragon Ball if Dragon Ball was produced by a squad of a production committee only interested in selling toys (hence the huge ass cast of characters that are always brought up even when they don't need to be). The story's paint by numbers, and because of that is very, very dull. The characters are archetypes that we've seen so many times before (the lovable but clumsy leader, the double crosser, the sketchy best friend, etc.) that you've felt like you've seen this all before. Thus it's difficult to actually want to watch it. I gave up on One Piece earlier than Naruto, and I hate Naruto.
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Am I the only one who finds this paragraph a little insane? :p
 
Takao said:
One Piece is Dragon Ball if Dragon Ball was produced by a squad of a production committee only interested in selling toys (hence the huge ass cast of characters that are always brought up even when they don't need to be). The story's paint by numbers, and because of that is very, very dull. The characters are archetypes that we've seen so many times before (the lovable but clumsy leader, the double crosser, the sketchy best friend, etc.) that you've felt like you've seen this all before. Thus it's difficult to actually want to watch it. I gave up on One Piece earlier than Naruto, and I hate Naruto.
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this is worse than being wrong, this is like... anti-right
 
One Piece fans can't deal with it. ;)

Sheppard said:
This may be as good as place as any to ask this question. I watched this show when I was young, like in the 1997 and 1998 all on shitty fansubs. If I was going to undertake getting the best Japanese audio and video of this series where would I start?
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The Dragon Boxes.

HammerOfThor said:
Wait I'm confused they are releasing ANOTHER DBZ set? So they will have 3 running parallel?

DBox, Kai, and this????
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DBox only has 1 set until completion. It's a finished release at this point.

Kai will be done within a year.

SuperSonic1305 said:
I'd have bought the Dragon Boxes already if they were in widescreen and had superior dub music.
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Why would you want it in widescreen? The show wasn't animated with that aspect ratio in mind...
 
Is there any release that's

1, Full Show, Uncut, English Dub and falconer music?

2.) Any english uncut version of Kai? Both US airings of Kai are heavily cut...
 
All this shonen talk and I didn't see anyone mention Yu Yu Hakusho :(. I've been enjoying the crap out of watching it again in HD. I definitely prefer it to DBZ and One Piece.
 
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