What's Dragon Ball Kai? Funimation announces Dragon Ball Z Blu-Ray Release

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The american music sucks so bad. I'm also glad that they put the Kikuchi soundtrack back in Kai because that new background music sucked as well.
 
Zee-Row said:
The american music sucks so bad. I'm also glad that they put the Kikuchi soundtrack back in Kai because that new background music sucked as well.

that hair metal shit during the Freeza fight was so obnoxious.
 
Khold said:
Is there any release that's

1, Full Show, Uncut, English Dub and falconer music?

2.) Any english uncut version of Kai? Both US airings of Kai are heavily cut...

1) The orange bricks, but they kind of are heavily cropped.

2) All home releases of Kai are uncut.
 
Takao said:
I wouldn't say the series is worse written (it's hard to do worse than a series where a man makes shit as he goes along, and only is in his profession for the money), but I'd definitely say it is the worse series.

One Piece is Dragon Ball if Dragon Ball was produced by a squad of a production committee only interested in selling toys (hence the huge ass cast of characters that are always brought up even when they don't need to be). The story's paint by numbers, and because of that is very, very dull. The characters are archetypes that we've seen so many times before (the lovable but clumsy leader, the double crosser, the sketchy best friend, etc.) that you've felt like you've seen this all before. Thus it's difficult to actually want to watch it. I gave up on One Piece earlier than Naruto, and I hate Naruto..
Yeahh...no. This is a joke, right? None of that accurately sums up One Piece whatsoever. Why am I not surprised that you "gave up" One Piece?
 
Zee-Row said:
The american music sucks so bad. I'm also glad that they put the Kikuchi soundtrack back in Kai because that new background music sucked as well.

I Have watched only a little of Kai, but i was unable to recognize much of the soundtrack as Kikuchi's. :/
 
Vulcano's assistant said:
I Have watched only a little of Kai, but i was unable to recognize much of the soundtrack as Kikuchi's. :/

I think its only on the Nicktoons version right now that has it since the DVDs currently out were released before it was found out Kai's composer was stealing music from films.
 
Vulcano's assistant said:
I Have watched only a little of Kai, but i was unable to recognize much of the soundtrack as Kikuchi's. :/
Kikuchi's score was recentely added, previously Yamamoto's score was used
 
Big One said:
Yeahh...no. This is a joke, right? None of that accurately sums up One Piece whatsoever. Why am I not surprised that you "gave up" One Piece?

Is 50 episodes and 12 manga volumes not a good enough metric to judge a series on?
 
Takao said:
Is 50 episodes and 12 manga volumes not a good enough metric to judge a series on?
No not really

Though even so I'm not sure how you wouldn't enjoy those first volumes if you're okay with early Dragonball
 
Big One said:
No not really

Though even so I'm not sure how you wouldn't enjoy those first volumes if you're okay with early Dragonball

That's more than a year worth of material. I think that's more than enough.

I enjoyed it when the crew were on more of the episodic journey points like really early on in the series where they find that guy on an abandoned island who's in a treasure chest I believe. Then the series got caught up in the backstory's of character's I don't care about like Zoro (not Vegeta), Usopp (not Krillin), and Nami (not female Yamcha). Then we go to Buggy... Buggy...
 
Takao said:
That's more than a year worth of material. I think that's more than enough.

I enjoyed it when the crew were on more of the episodic journey points like really on in the series where they find that guy on an abandoned island who's in a treasure chest I believe. Then the series got caught up in the backstory's of character's I don't care about like Zoro, Usopp, and Nami. Then we got to Buggy... Buggy...

I couldn't get into One Piece or Naruto either, just not my thing.

I liked Bleach though,
 
HammerOfThor said:
Wait I'm confused they are releasing ANOTHER DBZ set? So they will have 3 running parallel?

DBox, Kai, and this????

And the orange bricks are still on the shelf.

They should just rename the anime section at Best Buy the "Dragon Ball" section. It's ridiculous at this point. DB shit takes up an entire shelf.

And in case anyone is wondering:

kai_funi_season_redo.jpg


These re-releases of Kai will have the Kikuchi score. Volumes 1-4 that are on shelves now still have the Yamamoto score. Volume 5 has the Kikuchi score.


This series is a fucking mess.
 
Funimation still prints orange bricks, lol.

That release series is likely the best selling anime DVD series of all time in the US.
 
Takao said:
That's more than a year worth of material. I think that's more than enough.

I enjoyed it when the crew were on more of the episodic journey points like really early on in the series where they find that guy on an abandoned island who's in a treasure chest I believe. Then the series got caught up in the backstory's of character's I don't care about like Zoro (not Vegeta), Usopp (not Krillin), and Nami (not female Yamcha). Then we go to Buggy... Buggy...

isn't the dude in the treasure chest episode a really shitty filler one? lol
 
Big One said:
Yeahh...no. This is a joke, right? None of that accurately sums up One Piece whatsoever. Why am I not surprised that you "gave up" One Piece?
I'm current with One Piece and it seems pretty accurate to me. The closest thing to a consistently entertaining arc in OP is water 7/enies lobby. Everything else is just vapid and shoddy.

Takao said:
Is 50 episodes and 12 manga volumes not a good enough metric to judge a series on?

It takes OP a decade worth of material to reach decency :p

It's only really worth it if you are bored as fuck and don't mind putting in the time. Your time would be better spent reading something good like Blade of the Immortal or Hunter x Hunter instead.
 
Freshmaker said:
Goku's Japanese voice is pure pain. Nothing of the Japanese sound track should be lauded.
Holy shit I forgot about Goku's voice.

I can understand using a woman to VA a boy. However when he is supposed to be a man... it just sounds embarrassing? I know all about how he was supposed to have a boyish spirit etc. etc. but it sounded ridiculous. Like what a proper VA would have sounded like had he had a bunch of helium just previously.
 
Acerac said:
Holy shit I forgot about Goku's voice.

I can understand using a woman to VA a boy. However when he is supposed to be a man... it just sounds embarrassing? I know all about how he was supposed to have a boyish spirit etc. etc. but it sounded ridiculous. Like what a proper VA would have sounded like had he had a bunch of helium just previously.

Agreed it was painfull to listen to it. IMO german dub is the best dub
 
Okay I have no idea what you guys are talking about. How many editions of DBZ have there been now? The music in Kai was the original Japanese music right?

Honestly, after watching Kai I don't think I can go back to the 10-episode battles of original Z. Maybe for the Buu saga.
 
Acerac said:
Holy shit I forgot about Goku's voice.

I can understand using a woman to VA a boy. However when he is supposed to be a man... it just sounds embarrassing? I know all about how he was supposed to have a boyish spirit etc. etc. but it sounded ridiculous. Like what a proper VA would have sounded like had he had a bunch of helium just previously.

ugh. Nozawa is the only Goku to me. :(
 
Acerac said:
Holy shit I forgot about Goku's voice.

I can understand using a woman to VA a boy. However when he is supposed to be a man... it just sounds embarrassing? I know all about how he was supposed to have a boyish spirit etc. etc. but it sounded ridiculous. Like what a proper VA would have sounded like had he had a bunch of helium just previously.

It's more because he's supposed to be naive.
 
Kagari said:
It's more because he's supposed to be naive.
Cool. Naive people sound like they're women. I've never encountered that before in my life but whatever.

I understand how people would prefer that for some reason or another, but for me it was horrible.

Takao said:
That's more than a year worth of material. I think that's more than enough.

I enjoyed it when the crew were on more of the episodic journey points like really early on in the series where they find that guy on an abandoned island who's in a treasure chest I believe. Then the series got caught up in the backstory's of character's I don't care about like Zoro (not Vegeta), Usopp (not Krillin), and Nami (not female Yamcha). Then we go to Buggy... Buggy...
It's funny how far past that point all the characters have gotten.

Were Krillin and Yamcha typically integral to the plot? Nami and Usopp are.

Methinks you know very little about Zoro to compare him to Vegeta. I mean... they're both strong, and enjoy training to become stronger? Also some times people are afraid of them due to their reputation? I can't really see any other similarities.

That is something I do enjoy about One Piece. The fact that all the characters in the crew are relevant and constantly evolving.

Even Buggy makes progress as a character despite being defeated.
 
Acerac said:
Were Krillin and Yamcha typically integral to the plot? Nami and Usopp are.

Joke post? Krillin is the second most important character in all of Dragon Ball prior to the Saiyan arch, and even then he's still incredibly notable, and inspires a huge plot point.

Yamcha admittedly is tossed to the wayside, but he served of some importance early on.
 
andymcc said:
yes, especially Kuririn.
Prff... asking about Z and DB sagas in the same question threw me.

I suppose I should have assumed due to the avatar.

Nami and Usopp don't get left behind, however.
Takao said:
Joke post? Krillin is the second most important character in all of Dragon Ball prior to the Saiyan arch, and even then he's still incredibly notable, and inspires a huge plot point.

Yamcha admittedly is tossed to the wayside, but he served of some important early on.
Yes, yes, I was thinking Z when I heard Vegeta's name.

I should have asked if the characters STAY relevant.

All Krillin did to inspire a huge plot point is sit around and die.

MikeMyers said:
:/ at Yamcha bashing, I always loved him.

Yamcha and Puar are actually the heroes of the original Pilaf Arc, because they defeated the Big Bad Oozaru Goku.

Yes, I went there.
I kinda feel bad for Yamcha. He gets murdered trying to save the world, comes back to life, and oh wait his girlfriend is sleeping with the guy who was responsible for his death.

That was horrible. Does kind of give an idea of scale of how irrelevant he was at that point though.
 
:/ at Yamcha bashing, I always loved him.

Yamcha and Puar are actually the heroes of the original Pilaf Arc, because they defeated the Big Bad Oozaru Goku.

Yes, I went there.
 
I always thought the Ocean voice actors were the best actors for DBZ especially after hearing their performance for the first 3 DBZ movies that were released by Pioneer. Scott Mcneill Piccolo especially.
 
On Nozawa's voice, the idea was to have Goku always remain childlike and retain his innocence (read as: Marketing plot to allow kids to emphasize with Goku, haha). The reason they hired Nozawa in the first place was because she sounded like a child. The director for Z, rather than hire a replacement, decided to stick with her, and have her deepen her voice ever so softly.

Zee-Row said:
I always thought the Ocean voice actors were the best actors for DBZ especially after hearing their performance for the first 3 DBZ movies that were released by Pioneer. Scott Mcneill Piccolo especially.

I got in trouble for talking about specifics last time, but let's just say there will be more Ocean Dragon Ball in the future.

Acerac said:
I kinda feel bad for Yamcha. He gets murdered trying to save the world, comes back to life, and oh wait his girlfriend is sleeping with the guy who was responsible for his death.

That was horrible. Does kind of give an idea of scale of how irrelevant he was at that point though.

Yamcha wasn't killed by Vegeta.
LOL Saibamen
Besides, him and Bulma were no longer an item at that point.

I also like Yamcha, and do feel he, and Tien were characters that were unceremoniously tossed aside.
 
Takao said:
On Nozawa's voice, the idea was to have Goku always remain childlike and retain his innocence (read as: Marketing plot to allow kids to emphasize with Goku, haha). The reason they hired Nozawa in the first place was because she sounded like a child. The director for Z, rather than hire a replacement, decided to stick with her, and have her deepen her voice ever so softly.


Yamcha wasn't killed by Vegeta.
LOL Saibamen
Besides, him and Bulma were no longer an item at that point.

I also like Yamcha, and do feel he, and Tien were characters that were unceremoniously tossed aside.
That's why I phrased it very carefully to say responsible for his death. <3

Hadn't they just broken up? I must admit it's been a while since I've gone through the series but there was a reason he was so annoyed when asked if Trunks was his kid.

Ten at least gets his moment in the sun against Cell. Granted, almost kills himself to do so but shows WAY more power than any other human character in the series.

MikeMyers said:
Again, I state.

Yamcha and Puar are actually the heroes of the original Pilaf Arc, because they defeated the Big Bad Oozaru Goku.

B E L I E V E
Saw it the first time. I just can't imagine how to reply to that idea.
 
Again, I state.

Yamcha and Puar are actually the heroes of the original Pilaf Arc, because they defeated the Big Bad Oozaru Goku.

B E L I E V E
 
MikeMyers said:
Again, I state.

Yamcha and Puar are actually the heroes of the original Pilaf Arc, because they defeated the Big Bad Oozaru Goku.

B E L I E V E

I like Yajirobe because he's ugly, and beats Vegeta.

RedSwirl said:
Okay I have no idea what you guys are talking about. How many editions of DBZ have there been now? The music in Kai was the original Japanese music right?

Honestly, after watching Kai I don't think I can go back to the 10-episode battles of original Z. Maybe for the Buu saga.

There are many, many, many releases of Dragon Ball Z. You do not want to know, lol.

As for Kai, the music has always been Japanese, it's just that right before the show ended in Japan Toei revealed that the composer for the show had some "inspired" music choices, and decided to replace his music with the original Japanese score for Z. This has transferred to all the licensees, no matter how far into the series they were.
 
Yajirobe only cut off Vegeta's tail and made him regress into being human looking again, he still got battered by Vegeta.

Yamcha and Puar legitimately stopped Oozaru Goku from attacking everyone.

Goku was sent by Freeza to go onto Earth and destroy it in Oozaru Form.
Yamcha beat Oozaru.
Therefore, Yamcha thwarted Freeza in the Pilaf arc.
 
MikeMyers said:
Yajirobe only cut off Vegeta's tail and made him regress into being human looking again, he still got battered by Vegeta.

Yamcha and Puar legitimately stopped Oozaru Goku from attacking everyone.

Goku was sent by Freeza to go onto Earth and destroy it in Oozaru Form.
Yamcha beat Oozaru.
Therefore, Yamcha thwarted Freeza in the Pilaf arc.

Haha, Toriyama didn't know of a Freeza in 1984.
 
Takao said:
Haha, Toriyama didn't know of a Freeza in 1984.
I realize, but wait...YAMCHA DOES HAVE A VICTORY UNDER HIS NAME!

Yamcha beat The Invisible Man! And before you mention Kuririn assisting Yamcha in the battle, The Invisible Man cheated first by having Baba sing to cover his vibrations.

Yamcha > Claude Rains.
 
Anth0ny said:
And the orange bricks are still on the shelf.

They should just rename the anime section at Best Buy the "Dragon Ball" section. It's ridiculous at this point. DB shit takes up an entire shelf.

And in case anyone is wondering:

kai_funi_season_redo.jpg


These re-releases of Kai will have the Kikuchi score. Volumes 1-4 that are on shelves now still have the Yamamoto score. Volume 5 has the Kikuchi score.


This series is a fucking mess.


WOW now I really dont know whats going on.


can someone please give me a breakdown of each set, and what is distinctive about it?
 
Someone mentioned that the Kai Blu-ray were uncut? Is this the same as the Japanese Kai blu-ray? Because last time I checked they were also censored compared to the original episode. Most notable thing at the beginning was that they covered up the bloody hole on Raditz.
 
Trojita said:
Someone mentioned that the Kai Blu-ray were uncut? Is this the same as the Japanese Kai blu-ray? Because last time I checked they were also censored compared to the original episode. Most notable thing at the beginning was that they covered up the bloody hole on Raditz.

The sets are as uncensored as the Japanese version. Which means no Goku penis, no excessive blood, etc.

andymcc said:
they're pretty reasonably priced on Amazon.

Last week 1-5 were like $20 on Amazon.

HammerOfThor said:
WOW now I really dont know whats going on.

can someone please give me a breakdown of each set, and what is distinctive about it?

The original Kai release (13 episode sets) of episodes 1-52 include the Japanese score as seen on TV. However, at that point, Toei in Japan decided to replace that score with the original Japanese score for Z due to complaints of plagiarism. This means all releases, broadcasts, etc. now feature the Z score rather than the one composed for Kai. Once 1-52 of Kai are reprinted (like in those 26 episode sets) they'll come with the Z score.
 
andymcc said:
they're pretty reasonably priced on Amazon.
$60 for some of the them isn't really reasonably priced for me.

Kagari said:
Amazon had them all for $23 each a week ago.

It was those and not the orange?

Edit: Fuck, it was the dragon boxes. I thought it was the orange for some reason so I didn't bother.
 
HammerOfThor said:
WOW now I really dont know whats going on.


can someone please give me a breakdown of each set, and what is distinctive about it?

Let's count the sets Funimation has released of this series:

  • Original VHS/DVDs
    - Discontinued before the series midpoint, I believe.

  • Dragon Ball Z Uncut
    + New dub, optional Japanese music included, has no edits from original material whatsoever
    - Dicontinued after like two sets

  • Orange Brick Sets
    + Lots of episodes per box set, something like 35+ I think. So that's pretty insane.
    + Both the Japanese music/voices and American broadcast music/dub.
    + 16:9 widescreen ratio, but at the cost of...
    - Episodes being cropped to hell, shaving off like 20% of the image.
    +/- Image quality is significantly cleaner than any other DBZ DVD release, including Dragon Box, but some colors are off and some edges are blurry.

  • Dragon Box Sets
    + Complete re-master using original footage in-house at series creator Toei. More faithful colors
    + Completely uncut and unedited.
    + Obviously the Funimation release has the American dub, with the Japanese voices optional.
    - Lacks the American broadcast music, as Funimation couldn't fit it onto the DVDs. No matter your feelings on it, choice is still better than no choice.
    - 4:3, but it's the original ratio so most people probably don't care.

  • Dragon Ball Z Kai
    + On Blu-ray and DVD.
    + Basically an up-resing of DBZ footage, but preserves colors.
    +/- Some footage and scenes have been redrawn digitally.
    +/- Completely new music, not using DBZ's original Japanese or American dub music. It's orchestrated fair that I personally think suits the new series, but the old dub music will always have a place in my heart. And actually, as mentioned, due to plagiarism claims, all music will be replaced with the original Japanese score in the later episodes and any re-issues. Most people have found the new music direction to be downright terrible.
    +/- Oddly, there's cropping for 16:9 on the DVD and broadcasted TV versions, but the Blu-ray is completely 4:3 (yet still 1080p.)
    +/- Cuts out all the filler, whether it's filler arcs (which can be quite good) or the filler in fights (so they don't stand around for eps on-end powering up*.) *Hyperbole
    - Doesn't cover the Buu saga. Basically just stops when Gohan defeats Perfect Cell. I think this is where Z/the manga originally should have ended, but there's no getting around the fact that Kai is just incomplete. And there are some good parts in the Buu saga, mostly Majin Vegeta.
    - Offers less than 1/3 of episodes per set as the Orange Boxes, clocking in at 13 eps for each release. Funimation has even started bundling Kai sets together at retail stores to try and make it seem like a good value.

  • Dragon Ball Z (Blu-ray)
    + Well, it's ALL of DBZ on Blu-ray. Filler, Buu saga, etc. So just comparing what's available on Blu-ray, this set of releases will offer a more complete DBZ experience.
    + This is a plus for me... it won't have any redrawn scenes like Kai does. I wanted to like them but they are just so out of place. Either give me an entire new series that looks like that Toei, or don't bother. (Using new animation for the openings and endings is fine, though.)
    + Confirmed to offer both the original American audio in Dolby TrueHD, with the Japanese audio presumably along for the ride as well (although, it's unconfirmed if it will be the same quality. But it should be as good as what's been on the DVD's.)
    +/- Doesn't offer the value of the Orange Brick sets, only 17 or so episodes per box. Still, compares favorably with the amount included in each Kai release.
    - Presumably uses the same transfers as the Orange Bricks (still unconfirmed, though), but it's still unknown if it will be cropped or not.
    - Could be discontinued later on. 17 episodes per set equals to roughly 18 sets they'll have to release.

And none of these are Japan-only. Hell some are American-only. Funimation has put out ALL of these in the past ten+ years. I think this may be getting a little ridiculous.

Personally I have no idea what the hell to buy. I was going to get Z Kai because I like having certain, special things on Blu-ray, and I really, really dig its brevity (although I do miss some parts like Gohan and the orphans, or Gohan and the robot.) But then I thought I should be a purist, and get the Dragon Boxes since they offer the most unadulterated and complete version of the series, even if it is just DVDs. Then I said "screw it" and bought the first two brick sets because they were super cheap and I actually like the widescreen ratio and the American music (both sacrileges to any series purist.) Now I don't know if I should wait for this new set since it combines some things I like (American music, Blu-ray) but also has some things I don't (17 eps per box, could be discontinued later, has filler out the butt.)

Sigh. Funimation doesn't know what it wants any more than I do...

I guess if I could say what I want, it would be this:

- Dragon Boxes
- But on Blu-ray
- With non-cropped 16:9 magically added in somehow
- With both Japanese and American music
- And with a "Kai Mode" that allows you to play the episodes as if it were DBZ Kai

So yeah. THAT'S never going to happen. So I'm hoping for something almost equally as unlikely but not quite: that for the 30th anniversary of DBZ, Toei re-animates the entirety of Kai (plus what Kai would have done to the Buu saga) in glorious HD like the openings/endings of Kai. They could use the voice track they just did for Kai, too. And then when Funi releases it they put the Faulconer music as an option.

Yup. I'm never gonna get what I want. But it's nice to dream.
 
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