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[Brandon F]

Not surprised, playing Bioshock Infinite now and I'm questioning whether I would even judge the game a 7 in the time I've played so far(even that would kind of be generous).

Tom Chick had a less than favorable assessment of the gameplay recently too in his review of Last of Us. At least the story and characters are widely loved! It's apparently all games are judged on now!

 

[dragonflys545]

What backlash? lol all I see is the save glitch.

 

[mxgt]

From the view of a PC gamer the game still looks nice despite the jaggies and lack of AF. The cutscenes are especially impressive

 

[toastyToast]

The art assets in this game are better than any other I've ever seen. Can't wait to see what ND with the PS4. If this was upressed with some AA/AF it would be the hottest thing out

 

[Pranay]

The lighting in the game is amazing.

 

[Tummi Gummi]

Because is still desingenous recommend one over another when you are aware of the problems of one and you have personal comfirmation bias.

User Avg. is way worse than Critic. Avg.

Is common knowledge.

-_-

Compared to how much I enjoyed those games, reviewer average has a margin of error of about 4 to 5 points. User is about 2-3. I'll stick with the user average.

You have a curious definition of disingenuity.

 

[Fezan]

I haven't been in ot but I don't think this game will get much backlash. its re4 of this generation and after playing for 10 straight hours already among my favourite game of all time.


For people who are saying game is overhyped can you please point out problems. I haven't heared a valid complain yet. let me write all pros and cons and tell me where I am wrong?

PROS:

Excellent gameplay(tied with re and vanquish nothing topes it)
Very tense
perfect atmosphere
wide areas
exploration
beautiful graphics
good story with perfect presentaion
best AI not even fear halo or killzone comes close
audio is also among best. there are so many thimgs AI doea that some time u think its scripted and react to your play style
great sounds and perfect music

Cons:
AI glitches some time(happened thrice)
some gfx issues( lack of AA. minor frame rate drops. pc gamer here)

 

[E-Cat]

Talk about a backslash?

Okay.

Seriously though, it's part of the normal cycle in regard to critically acclaimed titles.

 

[guch20]

People are idiots and think a critically lauded game should contain zero flaws.

 

[Rehynn]

Overhype.

Which is what I tried to warn people about in the review thread.

The game is not the second coming. It's not a "monument". It's not the Citizen Kane moment of gaming.

It's a very good game that features many things that were popular in the past console generation. And not much more. The gameplay especially is pretty unremarkable. Have no illusions, this is one of those games that are mainly about the story and the presentation.

 

[Shinta]

Saw the hour of gameplay Kotaku posted. It looks like a stripped down Splinter Cell Conviction as far as gameplay goes. If the clicker sections are just walking slowly, that part sounds potentially boring.

For the record I loved Conviction.

 

[The Hermit]

Overhyped. The intro is good and

Spoiler

sad

but not mind blowing like everyone said.

And so far the story is predictable. But its a very good, cinematic game.

 

[Fezan]

Which is what I tried to warn people about in the review thread.

The game is not the second coming. It's not a "monument". It's not the Citizen Kane moment of gaming.

It's a very good game that features many things that were popular in the past console generation. And not much more. The gameplay especially is pretty unremarkable.

nope for me it is one of the best tps. this game desrves 96 metacritic.and if you look at rest of yhe games in this score range it felt underated.
in my 10 hour playthrough there are some very small glitches but whic game does not have them.
it does nothing new mechanically but what it does is best in class

 

[Shai-Tan]

People are idiots and think a critically lauded game should contain zero flaws.

Yep pretty much. I wrote probably 30 posts of criticism about Uncharted 2 here when it came out that I wouldn't have written if I didn't like it.

Edit: but then I also think zero games deserve a 90

 

[Space Runaway]

I have to echo some of the others: What backlash?

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/all?view=condensed&sort=desc

I mean seriously, compare the metacritic to the user avg. They're all over the place.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Professional reviews have been called out for widespread corruption and conflicts of interest. There are numerous threads and articles on the subject with input from former journalists. User scores are similarly tainted, albeit for different reasons. So why exactly should I be trusting professional reviews over user score, considering one of them has more consistently matched my opinions?

You have a curious definition of disingenuity.

Welp.

Also, confirmation bias.

 

[Fezan]

Saw the hour of gameplay Kotaku posted. It looks like a stripped down Splinter Cell Conviction as far as gameplay goes. If the clicker sections are just walking slowly, that part sounds potentially boring.

For the record I loved Conviction.

thank you for your insightful opinion

 

[Shinta]

thank you for your insightful opinion

Well I'm trying to decide if I want to buy the game. As someone who played it, maybe you could comment on if it really is similar to Conviction instead of just being an asshole?

Unbelievable how sensitive you guys are. The game has gotten overwhelmingly positive press. Relax. I'm just trying to figure out if I'm going to regret spending $60 on it. I honestly can't decide.

But I mean, you honestly think it has the best TPS gameplay mechanics? I find that surprising based on what I watched. It looks like it's good, but the star of the show is the story and production values. The only new thing I saw was the emphasis on equipment and item management.

 

[Nestunt]

trashing high scored games and praising mid-score games is a pattern that most of the times derives from people wanting to feel different and intellectually more advanced than the majority

of course tastes are by definition subjective. but there is a coolness to finding flaws in games with a very few of them and highlighting the great aspects of a game with many flaws

its the foundation of hipsterism xD

 

[televator]

Yeah, it's definitely not a perfect 10 game. I'm not sure how I'll end up personalty quantifying it, but there's GLARING issues in some things so far... So yeah, perfect 10 my arse. Game press has done it again. Good thing I rented.

 

[balohna]

Even the positive reviews mentioned the earlier part of the game seemed a bit rough, then it gets better. Sort of a weird way to do things, but obviously they write their reviews after finishing it in most cases.

I know Jim Sterling specifically called out ugly textures in the first few hours of the game.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

People always react like this to games that have high critical praise. They feel the need to tear them down. I used to be like that but it is much more enjoyable to just take things for what they are.

This is a really silly view to have with the state of games journalism. Your average review appreciates cinematic linear event games far more than your average 2013 gaffer does.

Este... that was actually Roger Ebert philosophy of reviewing movies, review the movie for what they try to be.

 

[monome]

Great Game.

now that autosave thing...

 

[Metroid-Squadron]

I've seen people complain about the controls, particularly the shooting? Is it input lag or something else?

 

[StoopKid]

trashing high scored games and praising mid-score games is a pattern that most of the times derives from people wanting to feel different and intellectually more advanced than the majority

of course tastes are by definition subjective. but there is a coolness to finding flaws in games with a very few of them and highlighting the great aspects of a game with many flaws

its the foundation of hipsterism xD

THIS.

 

[Superflat]

Happens with practically every game scoring this high. Many get the impression that the game will be somehow insanely more polished and glitch-free than any game they've ever played prior; when that is pretty much never the case.

If you're a consumer it sucks because you're usually playing a game with a bunch of scores already given to the game you're playing, and with people around you constantly discussing them. Journalists can jump into games fresh and not have the lingering metacritic score and lauded impressions hanging over their heads as they play. Reviewers, more often than not, get to have the more enjoyable experience as far as having very little first-hand opinions outside to sway them into a certain persuasion. I don't pay attention to reviews, but I'm always hearing about how well or horribly certain games are scoring, and it's hard to separate that from my expectations.

But to be honest I haven't heard that much backlashing on the game. Just people saying that their expectations are more realistic after starting to actually play it.

 

[Dude Abides]

I've seen people complain about the controls, particularly the shooting? Is it input lag or something else?

I believe the shooting is intentionally designed to be a little rough until you upgrade it to add tension and emphasize that the main character does not have military training.

 

[Littlegator]

Remember all those people with realistic expectations of the games and their lack of interactivity, similar to the Uncharted series?

Yeah, other people are coming to those realizations now, after expecting the second coming of Christ.

 

[Fezan]

Well I'm trying to decide if I want to buy the game. As someone who played it, maybe you could comment on if it really is similar to Conviction instead of just being an asshole?

Unbelievable how sensitive you guys are. The game has gotten overwhelmingly positive press. Relax. I'm just trying to figure out if I'm going to regret spending $60 on it. I honestly can't decide.

But I mean, you honestly think it has the best TPS gameplay mechanics? I find that surprising based on what I watched. It looks like it's good, but the star of the show is the story and production values. The only new thing I saw was the emphasis on equipment and item management.

I can't tell that if you will like it or not
but look few post above I made a detail description about game. and I m not being sensitive I just find giving opinion without
playing game is not fair.
Just to let you knw my fav tps for gameplay are re4 and vanquish. and you arr correct its similar to coviction in some ways but conviction feels very fast and accurate whereas tlou is heavy and does not have too much aim asist.
btw I liked conviction too

 

[plagiarize]

Great Game.

now that autosave thing...

yeah. that's a pretty huge bug.

but at the same time, I know how journalists often play games for review, and I know that QA often does essentially the same thing, of pretty much playing through things in a single sitting.

it should still have been caught. maybe reviewers should test for these things too, even if that is a bit 'consumer reports'.

 

[Tummi Gummi]

Welp.

Also, confirmation bias.

Originally Posted by dmr87: View Post
Most people got the game yesterday or today.

Originally Posted by Cheech: View Post
I am not usually the tinfoil hat wearing type, but I will cop to believing the game review industry is hopelessly corrupt. Seriously, how many times has this happened now?

1. Game comes out to universal reviewer acclaim.
2. Game turns out to have massive issues, whether from bugs or gameplay issues.
3. Backlash ensues.

This has happened going back to the 1980s. It's not hard to do the math.

Sums up just fine. I'm expecting a user score around the 80s once the dust has settled.

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/gam...nsed&sort=desc

I mean seriously, compare the metacritic to the user avg. They're all over the place.

To which we come to

"User average is worse because I say so"

"But user average matches my opinion more closely, I'll stick with user average"

"User average gives stupid zeros"

"User average has stupid 10s, too"

"That proves user average is stupid"

"Professional average is also stupid, so even after repeatedly acknowledging the drawbacks of user average, I'll go with the one that matches my opinion more closely"

"That's disingenuous"

"wut"

 

[jschreier]

Well I'm trying to decide if I want to buy the game. As someone who played it, maybe you could comment on if it really is similar to Conviction instead of just being an asshole?

Unbelievable how sensitive you guys are. The game has gotten overwhelmingly positive press. Relax. I'm just trying to figure out if I'm going to regret spending $60 on it. I honestly can't decide.

But I mean, you honestly think it has the best TPS gameplay mechanics? I find that surprising based on what I watched. It looks like it's good, but the star of the show is the story and production values. The only new thing I saw was the emphasis on equipment and item management.

It reminds me more of Resident Evil 4 than a Splinter Cell game. Constant movement and resource management are more of a focus than sneaking around. (Although you do a lot of sneaking around.) I love both the mechanics and the storytelling. I haven't beaten it yet, but I think it's stellar.

 

[clemenx]

I haven't played it but I have to assume it's the same thing that happened with GTA IV. Undoubtly great game but the reviews for it were completely ridiculous.

And I have to admit that I can't help but roll my eyes when I see a game get a flurry of 10/10 scores.

 

[Fuchsdh]

People always react like this to games that have high critical praise. They feel the need to tear them down. I used to be like that but it is much more enjoyable to just take things for what they are.

To be fair to everyone, it's much easier to enjoy things for what they are if reviews haven't been promising you it's te greatest thing sinced sliced bread. The only reason I didn't suffer from Bioshock Infinite overhype was because I hadn't played the originals until years after the reviews.

Secondly, some people honesty criticize games out of a love of them. I think it's more useful to point out the weaknesses of Infinite because I think it's a fundamentally good game with disappointing combat and a setting that didn't ultimately work, but I wouldn't spend the same amount of time complaining about a Wii shovelware title. We all know it's bad and for glaring reasons, so why complain about something self-evident?

There is a middle ground between fanboy hate/love and elitist "everything was better back in the day/I can do better" mentalities.

 

[Basileus777]

Initial impressions aren't backlash. Find a different way to express your discontent at people criticizing a game.

 

[Rollo Lawson]

I love the character weight, it's unlike anything else though, it will certainly garner a lot of hate from people.

"Weight"? Again, some assessments make it sound like Alan Wake...which I didn't care for...I think I'm going to hold off

 

[Jigolo]

I don't see any negativity. Just auto save issues. Can't wait to get my copy

 

[Ardenyal]

Too busy playing the game. I can see it's not perfect but gat damn i'm enjoying it a lot.

 

[CambriaRising]

This is a really silly view to have with the state of games journalism. Your average review appreciates cinematic linear event games far more than your average 2013 gaffer does.

Why is that silly? I don't let reviews or high praise effect me, I have the ability to compartmentalize it and judge games on my own terms.

To be fair to everyone, it's much easier to enjoy things for what they are if reviews haven't been promising you it's te greatest thing sinced sliced bread. The only reason I didn't suffer from Bioshock Infinite overhype was because I hadn't played the originals until years after the reviews.

Secondly, some people honesty criticize games out of a love of them. I think it's more useful to point out the weaknesses of Infinite because I think it's a fundamentally good game with disappointing combat and a setting that didn't ultimately work, but I wouldn't spend the same amount of time complaining about a Wii shovelware title. We all know it's bad and for glaring reasons, so why complain about something self-evident?

There is a middle ground between fanboy hate/love and elitist "everything was better back in the day/I can do better" mentalities.

I am more or less talking about some people just demolishing a game in spite of high praise. Level headed criticism is an important thing to be expressed.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Why is that silly? I don't let reviews or high praise effect me, I have the ability to compartmentalize it and judge games on my own terms.

You're giving yourself a little too much credit. Our perceptions are demonstrably influenced by opinions of others, even unconsciously.

 

[CambriaRising]

You're giving yourself a little too much credit. Our perceptions are demonstrably influenced by opinions of others, even unconsciously.

That may be so, but I don't feel influenced by that now as much as I had been in the past.

 

[Zemm]

The last area(s) of the game are absolutely dreadful, I'm going to watch the OT carefully for when people get to this part because that should be interesting.

 

[GravityMan]

Super Mario Galaxy got exceptional reviews and received very little backlash from consumers.

Persona 4, Portal 1, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls also got very strong reviews (not as strong as SMG, BI or TLOU) and those games got very little backlash from consumers.

It is true that most well-received games eventually get strong backlash from gamers. But there is that rare exception where a game gets excellent critical reception and high praise from consumers with minor backlash.

I wouldn't call today's complaints about the autosave, etc a backlash. They're just bugs that ND will patch, hopefully ASAP. That said, simply due to the nature of this game, I do expect an eventual strong backlash attacking the characters, story, gameplay, pacing, combat, etc. Just like Bioshock Infinite and Uncharted 3. Games that keep the bullshit to a minimum and let the player just play tend to be better appreciated over the long term.

 

[Jac_Solar]

I bet if U3 came out first, people would pan U2. The first Uncharted was great, but had a LOT of issues, which were corrected with U2. U3 didn't have as much to improve upon, so it was viewed as being dissapointing.

U3 has a lot of objective flaws. It's not like it's a hard to define, subjective thing. Have you played it? They try to set up some interesting story points that ultimately go nowhere, and since these games have so little gameplay, they rely heavily on story. The only Uncharted game I enjoyed was the second, anyways. It had a lot of variety and fun.

 

[pharmboy044]

"Weight"? Again, some assessments make it sound like Alan Wake...which I didn't care for...I think I'm going to hold off

Alan wake? I don't think so. Play the demo and find out for yourself.

 

[Moobabe]

The only irritation seems to be the save glitch. The game is, so far, as damn close a perfect 10 as you can get.

 

[illmatic22]

Happens with every big game.

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Also remember, every big game without exception gets backlash here. Every single one..

..no.
Resident Evil 4, Uncharted 2, Gears 1-3, CoD4 all got praised universally by fans.

 

[Brashnir]

..no.
Resident Evil 4, Uncharted 2, Gears 1-3, CoD4 all got praised universally by fans.

Gears gets shit on relentlessly on GAF. I've seen less, but plenty of hate for all the rest, too.

RE4 is complete garbage, for the record.

 

[Maastricht]

U3 has a lot of objective flaws. It's not like it's a hard to define, subjective thing. Have you played it? They try to set up some interesting story points that ultimately go nowhere, and since these games have so little gameplay, they rely heavily on story. The only Uncharted game I enjoyed was the second, anyways. It had a lot of variety and fun.

Uncharted 3 may not be as perfect a game as Uncharted 2 was, because the latter was a more unified story experience. But Uncharted 3 is a fantastic game nevertheless that just has really great gameplay. I wanted to replay some of its levels just for fun, and many of them did things I'd never seen before. But it suffered more from being a lot of cool design and programming ideas that had to be written and edited into a story rather than the other way around (Amy admitted as much). Also I didn't think the story was nearly as much fun (love triangle con-heist vs personal growth bromance). But the gMeplay in the levels are memorable to me in a way that those in Uncharted 2 aren't!

I was worried I'd be able to enjoy The Last of Us (I hate this genre as a story), but I ended up barey being able to put it down, and nearly forgot to pick up my boy from school, which is only the second time ever that happened to me. I'd still prefer a lighter subject matter though.

Game glitch hit me too.