What's up with all the negativity around The Last of Us now?
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Mt Heart Attack
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Surprised about how spot on the user scores are.
They should use those to give out bonuses and stuff instead of the official Metascore
Conciliator
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Hadn't played this yet, coming through my gamefly, but Patrick Klepek has been saying that not everyone will be into it since his review posted. And that's normal, that's how...stuff should work, just in general. This is one of the reasons why games having like a 97 metacritic can feel so dumb/eye-rolling. Really? Everyone thought it was incredible?
So I'll get it and may not like it and that doesn't necessarily mean that I think the glowing reviews are wrong, unless I end up disliking some of the stuff that has been universally praised(story, characters, atmosphere, tension, etc.).
So I'll get it and may not like it and that doesn't necessarily mean that I think the glowing reviews are wrong, unless I end up disliking some of the stuff that has been universally praised(story, characters, atmosphere, tension, etc.).
Same thing happened to Bioshock Infinite, and plenty of other games.
That's in large part because game reviews are generally given to the person on staff most likely to enjoy a game. It's yet another thing that makes game reviews worthless.
Ricko Suave
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I was being sarcastic, I couldn't find a jif to represent my sarcasm, sorry. Anybody got any good sarcasm jifs? You know, so this doesnt happen again...
Edit: I was not being sarcastic.
cjtiger300
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GAF gonna GAF.
I am loving it so far.
I am loving it so far.
GhostWriter24
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Just GAF clashing with "videogame journalists", nothing new.
They also "hated" MGS4 and U3 which are probably two of my favorite games this gen.
They also "hated" MGS4 and U3 which are probably two of my favorite games this gen.
1: Graphically it is still very good looking, not sure what the complaints are. Expectations people.
2: AI: Yes the partner AI is stupid at times and even the enemy AI gets a bit buggy, but still VERY FUN and challenging, the enemies have many times flanked me, surprised me, challenged me and I have even had enemies surrender when I basically owned them ( shot there leg, they surrender some times).
3: Save glitch is annoying and I lost 2 hours of progress but I know shit happens, yes its unacceptable but again, shit happens. When has any game had a perfect release without any problems?
4: repetitive: It is expected the bulk of this game will be surviving and shooting, it is quite obvious. Not once HAVE I felt like it has become repetitive in a boring way. Still very fun and exciting.
Each new area has felt very enjoyable to me so far. The new areas freshen it up nicely.
5: Clunky gameplay: Dunno what this means, the gameplay is fucking awesome, THE BEST melee combat and general combat, gun sway is annoying but again that can be decreased with the skill. Fist fighting too is badass, the enviorment is used well to ( using walls to bash there head ect). Plus the clunky shooting = less run and gun.
I can honestly easily see why it is a 10/10 and IMO deserves it.
2: AI: Yes the partner AI is stupid at times and even the enemy AI gets a bit buggy, but still VERY FUN and challenging, the enemies have many times flanked me, surprised me, challenged me and I have even had enemies surrender when I basically owned them ( shot there leg, they surrender some times).
3: Save glitch is annoying and I lost 2 hours of progress but I know shit happens, yes its unacceptable but again, shit happens. When has any game had a perfect release without any problems?
4: repetitive: It is expected the bulk of this game will be surviving and shooting, it is quite obvious. Not once HAVE I felt like it has become repetitive in a boring way. Still very fun and exciting.
Each new area has felt very enjoyable to me so far. The new areas freshen it up nicely.
5: Clunky gameplay: Dunno what this means, the gameplay is fucking awesome, THE BEST melee combat and general combat, gun sway is annoying but again that can be decreased with the skill. Fist fighting too is badass, the enviorment is used well to ( using walls to bash there head ect). Plus the clunky shooting = less run and gun.
I can honestly easily see why it is a 10/10 and IMO deserves it.
satterfield
BIGTIME TV MOGUL
Lost 12 hours of play time due to the bug as I tried to finish it off all day yesterday. That makes me angry. The game itself is great, but still full of nonsense. Not going to attack anyone's evaluation of its aesthetics, but there are definitely some clear, measurable issues. As always, your mileage may vary.
Muffdraul
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Not taking my post seriously, yeah that would be a good idea. I know sarcasm can be tricky to detect in writing, but Jesus Christ. If it wasn't biting you on the ass when you read that, dunno what to tell ya.
CloakedPuppet
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You're right - it is tough to detect in writing. Especially when stupid ass statements like yours often pop up in day one threads like this without a shred of sarcasm intended.
I dunno, I haven't played it. Still need to go the store to buy a copy.
I think the entire review system just doesn't work if you consider it a percent grade. A percent grade implies that a polished but unexciting game is worth more than a flawed masterpiece. Instead, reviews should really be taken as recommendations from individuals (and at the same time, you should remember that individuals are not objective arbiters of truth). I never expected Last of Us to be a 10 out of 10 game, but I really want to play it because it seems like those who enjoy it really enjoy it and it offers a type of gameplay that isn't too common on the market.
My absolute favorite games of this generation are Dark Souls and Demon's Souls; both of them have massive problems with enemy AI, the camera, lock-on, frame-rate, and graphics, far more than any Call of Duty. It's impossible to claim they are perfect games, because they are anything else but. Yet I enjoy Dark Souls way more than Call of Duty because Dark Souls offers something unique I can't really get anywhere else.
System Shock 2 has absolutely godawful controls and one of the worst balanced leveling systems I've seen in a game (Heresy, I know), yet when it works, it really works. I don't think people would object if I gave System Shock 2 a 10 out of 10 recommendation.
I think the entire review system just doesn't work if you consider it a percent grade. A percent grade implies that a polished but unexciting game is worth more than a flawed masterpiece. Instead, reviews should really be taken as recommendations from individuals (and at the same time, you should remember that individuals are not objective arbiters of truth). I never expected Last of Us to be a 10 out of 10 game, but I really want to play it because it seems like those who enjoy it really enjoy it and it offers a type of gameplay that isn't too common on the market.
My absolute favorite games of this generation are Dark Souls and Demon's Souls; both of them have massive problems with enemy AI, the camera, lock-on, frame-rate, and graphics, far more than any Call of Duty. It's impossible to claim they are perfect games, because they are anything else but. Yet I enjoy Dark Souls way more than Call of Duty because Dark Souls offers something unique I can't really get anywhere else.
System Shock 2 has absolutely godawful controls and one of the worst balanced leveling systems I've seen in a game (Heresy, I know), yet when it works, it really works. I don't think people would object if I gave System Shock 2 a 10 out of 10 recommendation.
Ovek
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jmls1121 said:
Ha no... it did show a drop in quality over Uncharted 2.
As for The Last of Us, I've played a good chunk of the beginning it a very well made,written and acted game but its boring as hell. Nothing I have played so far makes me want to keep playing it and I doubt anything will.
How is it "the best" melee combat and general combat? The melee is literally a simple one-button affair with scripted finishers. As for "general combat"... you can move, shoot, take cover and use items. How it's "the best" is beyond me.
It's because those people haven't finished the game yet.wait until they get to the end, I guarantee people will be showering praise for this game. Here are the general reactions as people go along the game:
Prologue intro = Amazing
First half = slow, methodical approach (some people don't like the slow pace and shift)
Second half = game turns on its head goes all out 10/10 (Re4 and half life 2 déjà vu)
Last section/Ending = Game of the Generation territory
Prologue intro = Amazing
First half = slow, methodical approach (some people don't like the slow pace and shift)
Second half = game turns on its head goes all out 10/10 (Re4 and half life 2 déjà vu)
Last section/Ending = Game of the Generation territory
? No it doesn't. But yeah, HL2 deja vu for sure, except with more walk & talk.
ThatStupidLion
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still can't wait to play this game. sometimes gaf is right....and other times gaf is gaf.
It's the internet, people are incapabale of not being contrary, either because they genuinely disagree and feel that everyone must know or because (and this seems the case more often than not when it comes to videogames) they have an ingrained juvenile response to hate anything thats popular
Muffdraul
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Fixed! =D
Well, some of the reviews I've read do point out that the beginning can be pretty slow and the game takes some time to get going.
Don't know if this is true since I haven't bought the game, but perhaps you should persevere with it a bit more.
ArchangelWest
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If there's any reason why reviewers would give a game a higher score than it deserves it's fanboy backlash. Can you imagine what would happen if a larger gaming site decided to give TLoU say an 8, while all the others kept their lips firmly attached to ass cheeks? Bad Ju Ju.
Unfortunately, the biggest service that reviews from gaming sites provide these days, is ammunition for Fanboys to brag or attack each other with. Quite sad.
Unfortunately, the biggest service that reviews from gaming sites provide these days, is ammunition for Fanboys to brag or attack each other with. Quite sad.
Autocorrecting how game journalists overrate essentially every AAA game on the planet.
That said, I'm sure the game is still excellent. The people who have these complaints mostly still note the game is rad.
While this is true (because everyone is an individual who presumably has different wants and needs in their games), this post of yours somehow implies the criticisms are not warranted.
Criticism is one of the most important things we as consumers can do.
That said, I'm sure the game is still excellent. The people who have these complaints mostly still note the game is rad.
damaph said:
While this is true (because everyone is an individual who presumably has different wants and needs in their games), this post of yours somehow implies the criticisms are not warranted.
Criticism is one of the most important things we as consumers can do.
That's right, the game is excellent. But I feel it gets undeserved credit for its gameplay, which is really nothing to write home about. The combat feels good and there are sections that can be tackled in a variety of ways, but if you've played MGS or Splinter Cell and any TPS from this gen, I can't see the action blowing you away.
Nameless One
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Can it be more obvious that gaf is being gaf right now?
game is a solid 9/10
kids love backlash
revolverjgw
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I'm sure this game is terrible
If you think "GAF being GAF" means being unreasonable, then why did you register here? There is no such thing as "GAF being GAF". It's GAF members expressing their opinion.
It's just a lazy way of saying "I cannot possibly defend my opinion on the game, so I just want to lash out at anybody who thinks differently than me."
Saying things about a GAF Hivemind or "GAF being GAF" is just a way for these people to sweep anyone with a threatening opinion into the same net so they can easily ignore them all, instead of taking the time to meaningfully dissect the criticisms and trying to find out why people are complaining about what they are complaining about. It's always the laziest, most uninformed individuals who say it.
FrostuTheNinja
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I've only played 2 hours but yeah, it's very clunky and the partner AI is shithouse. It looks and sounds cool but this won't be the one to change it all like some are proclaiming.
Yeah, it was amazing how much people lacked self awareness when yelling about an idiot reviewer giving the game a low score, not because they had actually played the game but because every other site gave it a high score so it has to be perfect.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
It's not any more lazy than merely saying gaming journalists overrate everything when you're trying to argue something is overrated which I see a ton of on GAF. It's even worse than the hivemind stuff.
Calamari41
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Over-the-top reviews tend to cause this. GTA4 was a good game, but because I read the sea of 11/10 "This is the greatest achievement in interactive entertainment since Ocarina of Time" reviews before I played it, I ended up being incredibly disappointed and legitimately hated the game until I sobered up and picked it up again a year later.
Exactly. People who view games like this as a pure, criticism-exempt jewel always dismiss any non-positive views as "play the game!" or "aha oh GAF". Its almost sad.
They do overrate everything, but I meant that merely as an aggregate. We can actually quantify that, unlike GAF's "opinion", because we have metacritic-type sites out there to do it for us.
And from that, we can see that there is a huge likelihood of your game receiving an 85 or higher if you are a major AAA release. It's so predictable you can actually be almost always right on predicting the score for a game even YEARS before release, as I have done multiple times. And this is before we factor in the endless journalistic controversies that undermine credibility as well, making it impossible to know who is genuine and who is not (something that is easy to figure out on neoGAF, if you're an established member of the community). This situation is clearly different from calling neoGAF a hivemind, which is mostly just uninformed bullshit.
That said, even I take the time to break down reviews I heartily disagree with, and have done so in the past, so unlike others I am NOT lazy at all in my responses. I'm known for thousand word posts dissecting every word in people's comments./
And we re done.
In terms of the way it looks, how brutal it is/ feels, how dramatic it feels and how every battle feels intense and serious.
Well, to me it is I mean.
I mean we all have different opinions, I can see why people may dislike this game ( too slow paced, too much stealth, OMG another zombie game etc) but again to me, it is defiantly a brilliant game.
FrostuTheNinja
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I don't know, saying that's it "overhype" or whatever is bordering on insanity. The game has issues that were obviously glossed over and reviewers are doing themselves a huge disservice by not mentioning them.