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White Knight Chronicles 2 |OT| of WKC 1+1
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Haunted
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So I bought this recently.
Man, there's a lot of missed potential and fucked up priorities here.
There's a lot to like, but the combat and quest systems could both stand a lot of improvement. The side quests are terribly uninteresting (Errand quests, such a fitting name), and most of the fights are a lot less tactical than I wish they would be. It feels a bit silly to have gone through the whole of the first and half of the second game and I only upgraded my knights, like twice. I stopped doing sidequests halfway through the first game because they simply were the same thing over and over again.
I really like the customisation options - the skill tree and the equipment/weapon system are very well done and thought-out. It's also nice that there are few restrictions to the equipment people can wear and that armour is shown on the player (which really should be a given in any modern RPG, but I still feel it warrants a mention).
As far as the combat goes... the rock-paper-scissors system of the three attack types and the four magical elements (+ your standard status effects) is tried and true for a reason. But the action circle and combo system would lend themselves so well to a bit of skill- and timing based variation which would greatly ease the feeling of "grinding" enemies to get through an area.
Which are beautiful, by the way, lots of great environmental art to look at - too bad they're just a tad to big, which leads to repetition in the texture work and some serious copy+paste issues. But the backtracking I'm having to go through in WKC2 right now really drives all these flaws home so much more. It's not FFXIV or DA2 bad, but it's pretty bad alright.
Oh well, I'm still sticking with it, but as I said, I feel there's a lot of missed potential.
edit: oh and don't get me started on the character "design". Everyone except Eldore and Caesar look like terrible and generic anime characters with unexpressive and flat 3D faces - these should've never been okayed in the first place.
Man, there's a lot of missed potential and fucked up priorities here.
There's a lot to like, but the combat and quest systems could both stand a lot of improvement. The side quests are terribly uninteresting (Errand quests, such a fitting name), and most of the fights are a lot less tactical than I wish they would be. It feels a bit silly to have gone through the whole of the first and half of the second game and I only upgraded my knights, like twice. I stopped doing sidequests halfway through the first game because they simply were the same thing over and over again.
I really like the customisation options - the skill tree and the equipment/weapon system are very well done and thought-out. It's also nice that there are few restrictions to the equipment people can wear and that armour is shown on the player (which really should be a given in any modern RPG, but I still feel it warrants a mention).
As far as the combat goes... the rock-paper-scissors system of the three attack types and the four magical elements (+ your standard status effects) is tried and true for a reason. But the action circle and combo system would lend themselves so well to a bit of skill- and timing based variation which would greatly ease the feeling of "grinding" enemies to get through an area.
Which are beautiful, by the way, lots of great environmental art to look at - too bad they're just a tad to big, which leads to repetition in the texture work and some serious copy+paste issues. But the backtracking I'm having to go through in WKC2 right now really drives all these flaws home so much more. It's not FFXIV or DA2 bad, but it's pretty bad alright.
Oh well, I'm still sticking with it, but as I said, I feel there's a lot of missed potential.
edit: oh and don't get me started on the character "design". Everyone except Eldore and Caesar look like terrible and generic anime characters with unexpressive and flat 3D faces - these should've never been okayed in the first place.
Cornbread78
Member
Damn, anyone else getting this on the 13th in the US?
BattleMonkey
Member
I might, haven't done a JRPG in a long time outside of Demon Souls
FreeMufasa
Junior Member
I wanted this for the 4 player co-op PSO like experience. Since PSO2 has been announced, guess there's no need for me to get this.
I was definitely really into the multiplayer part of the game. Even if it was very grindy in the end. I ended up meeting a lot of pretty cool people who played the game. The first game had a very nice online community where people would be more than happy to help others out.Maxrpg said:I'll do multiplayer quests with ya if you get it
Cornbread78
Member
Very nice, I'll be playing Resistance 3 mostly, but I'll definately jump over online late Sat. nights for a bit. My buddy grinded his way to a plat. trophy like a crazy man; I don't think I could deal with that deathly grind if the trophies are anything like the first, but the online quests were fun to jump into with him and others.
distantmantra
Member
Cornbread78 said:
I wish this came out in August instead of getting delayed, but yeah, I'm still getting it.
I played around 5 hours of the first one and was bored as hell.
I normally like MMO-like RPGs (big fan of FFXII/Xenoblade, and even Magna Carta II). But that game... combat was boring, story was VERY boring, clunky equipment and item management, ugly characters, generic music.
I don't mean to bash with no reason, I actually -want- to like those games since I'm a fan of Level 5's other games (DC 1 and 2, Jeanne d'Arc). Is there any chance I'll like the game with the modifications that were made to it?
I normally like MMO-like RPGs (big fan of FFXII/Xenoblade, and even Magna Carta II). But that game... combat was boring, story was VERY boring, clunky equipment and item management, ugly characters, generic music.
I don't mean to bash with no reason, I actually -want- to like those games since I'm a fan of Level 5's other games (DC 1 and 2, Jeanne d'Arc). Is there any chance I'll like the game with the modifications that were made to it?
so what are the improvements from 1 to 2 ?
i got burnt hard when i imported the first game, finding out that i can't get the best gears offline and learning that i have to friggin grind my way doing repetitive quests to GR-8, i promptly eject the disk and kept it somewhere, never to look back again.
i got burnt hard when i imported the first game, finding out that i can't get the best gears offline and learning that i have to friggin grind my way doing repetitive quests to GR-8, i promptly eject the disk and kept it somewhere, never to look back again.
I think I'll enjoy this if I go in expecting an expansion pack for WKC1.
Does anyone have any impressions in regard to the Geonet upgrades (if they exist)?
I felt as if WKC1 gave you zero incentive to build your own town because you received no compensation for other players visiting/shopping in your town, and you could simply favorite an established town to purchase the best items (and even mine for minerals right?).
Edit: Also, can melee enemies still do damage to you when you are nowhere near them and through walls?
Does anyone have any impressions in regard to the Geonet upgrades (if they exist)?
I felt as if WKC1 gave you zero incentive to build your own town because you received no compensation for other players visiting/shopping in your town, and you could simply favorite an established town to purchase the best items (and even mine for minerals right?).
Edit: Also, can melee enemies still do damage to you when you are nowhere near them and through walls?
I actually enjoyed the first game. It certainly wasn't amazing and I'd started to get bored with the combat by the time I finished the story (at around 35 hours) but I at least liked it enough to see it through to the end.
With the awesome Sept. release schedule I am unfortunately in no hurry to pick up part 2 at this point. Once I either clear my slate of some games or the price drops enough I'll most likely pick up part 2 just to see what changes were made and continue the story.
With the awesome Sept. release schedule I am unfortunately in no hurry to pick up part 2 at this point. Once I either clear my slate of some games or the price drops enough I'll most likely pick up part 2 just to see what changes were made and continue the story.
TheChillyAcademic
Member
Shouta said:
WHOA WHOA....Simmer
Red Liquorice
Member
I was thinking about picking this up because I wanted something co-op and long lasting for the PS3 now I'm done with Demon's Souls. Would you guys recommend it going by this criteria? I don't play FPS, so RPGs are what I'm looking at.
OgTheClever
Member
It's most certainly long lasting, I've put in about 200 hours so far and feel like I've barely scratched the surface. The meat of the game is doing quests online and steadily advancing your user-created character, although realistically you need to complete the single player campaign of at least WKC1 to get into it. The single player stories probably take around 30 hours each.Red Liquorice said:
I would say that if your looking something similar to Demon's Souls then hold out a few extra weeks for Dark Souls because WKC is very much a more traditional style RPG. It is a better fit if your looking for a fuller multiplayer experience, but you need to be prepared to invest a considerable amount of time to get the most out of the game. I can personally vouch for the community being very dedicated (i.e some people spend months playing only WKC) and the game online becomes something of a pseudo-mmo.
dakkumauji
Member
I would want to get this game, but it is just coming in such a terrible time. With Disgaea 4 the week before it, and then Atelier Totori after it, it is just asking me to wait till it drops in price.
Sad, since I was looking forward to playing it.
Sad, since I was looking forward to playing it.
Red Liquorice
Member
Thanks. I'm not really looking for something similar to DS since I'll be geting Dark Souls eventually any way. ATM I'm looking for something to ween me of SF4 since that's hit a slump, and I need a break from that kind of PvP online play - a pseudo-MMO actually sounds kind of what I'm looking for from a PS3 title right now.OgTheClever said:
TheChillyAcademic
Member
I guess there are two types who may enjoy it, those who are into a pseudo MMORPG type of game with Dark Cloud traits...or those who are looking for a cliche ridden yet fantastically enjoyable JRPG.
I for one enjoy both.
I for one enjoy both.
distantmantra
Member
TheChillyAcademic said:
Me me me me!
Cornbread78
Member
TheChillyAcademic said:
Yeah, I can deal with that, lol.
I have most of teh game and book paid off at GS. Although I hit a litle financial strain lately that has left R3 out of my PS3 unfortuantely. Hopefuly I can sell some of my games pay this one off as well as get my copy of R3 finally for some jRPG bliss. The game should really get some more love....
My local Gamestop is doing a midnight event for NHL so I'm gonna pick this up at midnight tomorrow. Really looking forward to it. I've been tempted to pick up the first one for the last couple months cause it's cheap, but I didn't want to deal with the slow combat. Question for those that have it....are you forced to use the Knight in the online quests? I didn't really care for it in the first game, but since my character didn't have one, it was no big deal for online. Add me on PSN, anyone that plans on playing a lot!
As a person who spent 1500 hours in WKC1 and platinumed it, WKC2 is nowhere near as grindy. Looking at the way things are going, I can probably reach to the top tier stuff by around 600-700 hrs.
Another tip for everyone who's starting out. If you want to have a piss easy time online. Play as bow. It's even more broken than Spear and SS in WKC1.
Another tip for everyone who's starting out. If you want to have a piss easy time online. Play as bow. It's even more broken than Spear and SS in WKC1.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
klee123 said:
I...I just don`t...
bigdaddygamebot said:I...I just don`t...
You can probably plat WKC1 much quicker if you really wanted to though. I've seen some people who got the plat in 600-700 hrs, but I practically went overboard with the weapon and item binding.
By the end of it, I was able to bind and max upgrade the top weapons and armor sets for the following classes:
Short Sword (my fav class)
Spear
Bow
Axe (Strength Focused)
Axe (Dex Focused)
I could probably add another 400+ hrs and get the top weapons for Long sword and Staff, but yeah, can't be bothered anymore.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
klee123 said:
LoL
Dude...if you're enjoying it...play through.
famousmortimer
Banned
Terrible timing of the release, but I loved the first one so ill be all over this. I just don't know where im gonna find the playtime...
Been out in Europe since June. I've been waiting for the extortion like prices to drop... but if other gaffers will be getting it now then I should jump in while there is still a community >.>dallow_bg said:
EDIT : Just saw I have a voucher that makes this game cheap for me. BUYING.
EDIT 2 : Bought
EDIT 3 : White Knight Chronicles 2 1 x White Knight Chronicles 2 PS3 Received from supplier.
EDIT 4 : 1 x White Knight Chronicles 2 PS3 Ready to pack
OgTheClever
Member
No you aren't forced at all and you might not even have the avatar knight, because you need to go on a side quest to obtain it first. From my experience the knight system online works like this: doing the quests from WKC1 (4 players) you can't use the knight at all. In the 6 player WKC2 quests you can transform, but only one player in the group can do it at a time.Seventy5 said:
I have heard that later on there are quests where all 6 players can transform at the same time, although you'll have to be a pretty high GR to access them.
Cornbread78
Member
klee123 said:
I'm pretty much buyin git tomorrow for SP. I highly enjoyed MP with some buddies, and random players (great online comunity btw!) but it was not worth the 600-700 hour grind for a platinum trophy!
I just got R3, so I'll be on that mostly, but I'll definately be online with this late on Sat. as well.
Can't wait....
Oh quick question. Can I play through a New Game+ with my WKC save before I playthrough WKC again?
Cornbread78
Member
Momo said:
Yeah, I doubt it will, or else it would have already been done....
Plus there is very little GAF interest, plus no NA marketing will lead to next to nothing in sales unfortunately. Despite some really general faults with WKC, The game is a lot of fun and has a really good story.