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White male lead in the spec script Disney bought for the live action remake of Mulan
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I hope they do it and it bombs so hard Disney if never able to make a movie again.
I hope -1 billion people go to the cinema to not-watch this so Disney has to give money for the people in reparation for this stupidness.
I hope the dick if everyone involved in this falls off. If they don't have one I hope they grow one and I hope it falls off too.
I hope -1 billion people go to the cinema to not-watch this so Disney has to give money for the people in reparation for this stupidness.
I hope the dick if everyone involved in this falls off. If they don't have one I hope they grow one and I hope it falls off too.
ATXAlchemy
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Nic Cage as Mulan of course.
I'd probably offend people, but I'd go to theatres for a Mulan parody comedy starring Nic as Mulan.
Fixed2BeBroken
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man if you japanese, and you gotta check off the box, what you checking? asian
if you chinese? what you checking? asian
(or pacific islander if i remember correctly)
if you black? what you checking? african american.
my point is, asians gotta be able to check their own boxes first. cause at the moment. a white dude is checking that asian box.
after the box is checked appropriately, then we can move onto asking for more boxes like chinese, japanese, german, russian, nigeria, jamaican, etc.
this is from an american perspective cause its being made by americans in america...americans who got white people checking off that asian box. So this perspective is coming from that.
Yeah one is a slightly outdated offensive term and the other is a very outdated offensive term. I mean, when I hear mongoloid I just think about that time when white people were classifying humans as separate species based on looks.
You got good intentions. Getting asian actors for asian roles is a problem we want to fix. But just freely switching chinese/japanese/korean around when the cultures are so different still feels as wrong as casting black actors for Indian roles just because they can share skin colors.
MrCunningham
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Of course he has to play Mulan. But I would prefer to see Nick Cage tackle a dual roles Mulan and Li Shang.
Fixed2BeBroken
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so is it wrong when they get foreign black actors to play american black actors and vice versa?
same with white people with different europeans playing american white people?
and at the end of the day, this article is about how it was first written with a white dude being a lead.
so would you rather have the white dude as a lead? or a script change then a japanese dude getting the chinese part?
not that it has to be this way, but my point is if the latter happened, I aint even mad.
hodayathink
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But to go back to his other point, any European actor can (and usually does) play a person from any other European country. Any African (and/or African American) can usually play someone from any African nation. Same thing with South/Central American actors, for the most part. I just don't know that I can get any more upset about a Korean playing a Japanese person as I can a Guatemalan playing a Chilean.
CyclopsRock
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I believe it was written by two women so you have already had that dream come true.
Incidentally, anyone on this forum could write a spec script for Mulan. It being bought doesn't mean it's being made, it means there's at least something in there that they want to use without being sued.
lightskintwin
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Yeah, remember Jennifer Lopez, a Puerto Rican, played Selena, a Mexican.
BudokaiMR2
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Sounds stupid, but the author of the article loses points for that jab at Marco Polo.
Anyone who watches the show knows that Kublai is the damn star of the show, title or not.
Anyone who watches the show knows that Kublai is the damn star of the show, title or not.
Fixed2BeBroken
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For the longest time as a Kid, back when there was no internets, I really thought Al Pacino was part cuban.....
only to find out as I got older that He aint even "Cuban B!"
(gotta admit, thats the greatest white washed acted role ever imo)
lightskintwin
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Although i understand the complicated history between a lot of Asian countries, ethnicities, and culture; you do make a good point about American movies and how races can play the same race regardless of ethnicity or country.
NCR Redslayer
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I don't believe any minority actor who hasn't given their dignity for fame would like to see a (X race) actor play a (y race) role. Its bad enough that more minorities don't get hired for big leads but do you guys expect people not to get angry? You can be a damn good actor but that doesn't mean you can impersonate or appropiate someone elses race and not get flak.
But is it ok tho? Theres a Master of None episode that deals with the exact issue (its a comedy but its great). Personally, i have no issue with Al Pacino role since I too grew up without knowing that. Yet if it was any other movie now, I would have a problem.
Is it racists if I think most east asians all look the same in my eyes.
I'm Chinese Thai btw.
Fixed2BeBroken
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thanks.
also I know the complicated history as well (apparently I'm an "expert") but for me that's the old guard.
Like I SAID!
(btw, love chinese/thais)
Look I agree with you. If someone can play the part well enough to fool the audience that's literally acting and if they can act well enough then it shouldn't be a problem. I guess it's more of a "It's hard to believe that you couldn't find a chinese actor for this chinese part in the talent pool" sorta deal which goes back to one of the common claims on why there aren't more asian american actors in prominent roles in the first place. At the same time, while I cannot name exactly what features, there are definitely markers that scream Chinese/Japanese/Korean in some people and if you were to put someone that looks Korean in a Chinese role it would be jarring to me.
re: european/american switching: This doesn't always happen but isn't it somewhat common to hear about american actors failing to affect proper british accents or vice versa and therefore poor casting choices?
lightskintwin
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I don't think anybody disagrees with you, we're talking about same/similar races playing different ethnicities/nationalities.
Valkerionseven
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While reading it and constantly wondering... "why" I had a half thought of "hey mix race relationship on the big screen" then I remembered a split second later it was the usual glorified one... Eh.
Seriously though, I know they make some nonsense changes to these movie remakes, but damn please just keep the actors Chinese in this one. Same with Aladdin when they jump that ship, if Aladdin is white I will have a massive eyebrow raised the entire time.
Seriously though, I know they make some nonsense changes to these movie remakes, but damn please just keep the actors Chinese in this one. Same with Aladdin when they jump that ship, if Aladdin is white I will have a massive eyebrow raised the entire time.
lightskintwin
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You must not know the amount of Europeans that play Americans. It's obviously more one sided due to how many movies, tv shows are set in America. Americans play European roles quite often too. I think Europeans on average do an American accent much better than Americans do other accents simply due to the prominence of American media in other countries.
Blargonaut
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NCR Redslayer
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Yeah there's no real right or wrong answer to this. This, however, makes for the best discussions on gaf.
Fixed2BeBroken
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asian brothers and sisters. gonna just short term it to mongo.
lightskintwin
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Yo, i like that. LOL I mean, we (Black folks) still use negro amongst each other.
NCR Redslayer
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I do too but Disney is an american company so I wouldn't get my hopes up. There's a chance but not a lot.
KurtSloane
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That's a bit much, it's only a movie.
It's their money I suppose, they could make Mulan starring anyone they like.
Stories and characters get changed all the time, small example is the Norwegian God heimdall in Thor, he was played by Idris Elba ...... I'm pretty sure Scandinavia was a homogenous region back then.
In this new world, is enforcing racial backgrounds on fictional characters not a bit backwards?
Sunster
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Oh well, maybe Matt Damon will catch an arrow to the throat or Mulan will curve him at the end.
Fixed2BeBroken
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the former is a bit aggressive LOL, but the latter is acceptable!
lightskintwin
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NCR Redslayer
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Ok there is more hope than I thought. I wonder how I missed this film. I have been watching too many old films lately.
Sunster
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They could make it a kid friendly death. Mulan dropped a mountain side on an entire army no one said anything, Disney isn't new to this.
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I wouldn't say it is racist, but I do think it is offensive. Not in an angry upsetting way but in a roll-my-eyes kinda way. I guess it's offensive to me in the same way as when people think Singapore is part of China, or when people can't differentiate between the China film industry, the Hong Kong film industry, and the Taiwan film industry. Or when people automatically think an Asian language is Japanese when they don't understand any of them.
I won't pretend that I can tell with 100% certainty what race every single Asian is, but there are definitely distinctive traits that differentiate Thais, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese. Some are more subtle than others. It's not just cultural or nationalistic.
Blargonaut
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Can Crusher
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Catering to an "Asian American" market makes little sense to me, when the actual Asian market is as big as it is. The op sounds too surreal, and I'm not willing to believe Disney would be lame enough for this shit.
I'm curious but what is the distinction between China and Taiwan, I know that Taiwan split off from China, but I don't believe that was very long ago so there really shouldn't be any ethnic difference, I know that this is a pretty sensitive topic for some Taiwanese folk, when they get mixed up, or especially when they use China's version of their flag. Or maybe thinking on this a little more China just claimed the island of Taiwan as part of China so they were considered "Chinese" but ethnically have not much to do with each other?
Fixed2BeBroken
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Evey asian place Ive been to (japan, korea, hong kong, macau, thailand, taiwan) people thought I was of that ethnicity until I opened my mouth.
sometimes there are distinct traits and sometimes you can't tell. who fucking cares. all asian, and at the end of the day, all human.
Lord Panda
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They need Tiida Swindon for the Asian male lead.
Fixed2BeBroken
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man thats the problem with asian folk. too much in fighting and to much wanting to differentiate and point out and cling on to the differences instead of embracing similarities and to much clinging on to the past. if asians got together and all worked together, the impact would be great. The history, which I know all about at least with china and japan and koreans and japan, is as I said, to me, the old gaurd. a small example: look what happened when some younger koreans and japanese got together and made a rap record....it created a moment for them in pop culture and had them performing, in their own language, at SOBs in New york city to americans who were eating it up.
and I'm turning this thread into something else so I am gonna get off my soapbox now.
Blargonaut
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The difference is that they are different countries and have their own industries and dialect? Mainland Chinese films are in Mandarin, Hong Kong films are in Cantonese, Taiwanese films are either in Mandarin or Hokkien. Written text in Taiwan and Hong Kong use Traditional Chinese, while Mainland China and South-East Asia uses Simplied Chinese. There are lots of differences in the media depending on source of origin. But to people who don't understand these differences or don't care to, it's all the same! I just find that kinda annoying.
There are some genetic traits that are more common in some Asian groups than others but there is a still a lot of people which overlap. See it as a bunch of intersecting subsets.
lightskintwin
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Yo, you would like this video by Philip Wang who talks about how to fix whitewashing in Hollywood and how Asian Americans should all come together, build their own network, and create their own stories rather than wait around hoping Hollywood is going to change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG-fF40aZZM
Fixed2BeBroken
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thanks! this is dope. and Ive seen some of his vids before. I like the one he did with Ki hong lee
I dunno, I find this really stupid because you're basically like "ALL HUMAN, ALL SAME, WHO CARES, MAKE LOVE!" or whatever, but diversity and differences don't necessarily divide. There can be unity through diversity. Embracing that people are different doesn't mean we can't accept that we're all people. This isn't a new guard/old guard thing. When I say that I'm not Korean, I'm not hating on Koreans. Trying to say WHO CARES ALL SAME seems like such a lazy and simplistic reduction. What's the point of that?
Well this is a thread about a dumb plot point in a spec script that Disney has already said they are not using in the actual film, so I'm not sure what there is to talk about "on topic" anyway. Seems as good a place as any to talk about Asian diversity and the differences in perception and culture between Asians in Asia and Asian-Americans in America.
lightskintwin
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Well this is a thread about a dumb plot point in a spec script that Disney has already said they are not using in the actual film, so I'm not sure what there is to talk about "on topic" anyway. Seems as good a place as any to talk about Asian diversity and the differences in perception and culture between Asians in Asia and Asian-Americans in America.
This. I like this conversation.
Fixed2BeBroken
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I dunno, I find this really stupid because you're basically like "ALL HUMAN, ALL SAME, WHO CARES, MAKE LOVE!" or whatever, but diversity and differences don't necessarily divide. There can be unity through diversity. Embracing that people are different doesn't mean we can't accept that we're all people. This isn't a new guard/old guard thing. When I say that I'm not Korean, I'm not hating on Koreans. Trying to say WHO CARES ALL SAME seems like such a lazy and simplistic reduction. What's the point of that?
Well this is a thread about a dumb plot point in a spec script that Disney has already said they are not using in the actual film, so I'm not sure what there is to talk about "on topic" anyway. Seems as good a place as any to talk about Asian diversity and the differences in perception and culture between Asians in Asia and Asian-Americans in America.
im all about embracing differences. Asian folk dont do that tho. and I just have that perspective that we are all the same. the cultural differences are definately there. thai girls are like fucking aliens to me culturally (but I love em) but deep down. we the same.
Im not saying I expect shit to be utopia overnight. And Im not saying we should just be like "fuck it, we best friends bruh" But I am fascinated by the idea of asians coming together regardless of ethnicity differences
and feel like its part of our problem.
and when I say old guard, I am referring to one ethnicity hating another due to their history. at least when it comes to japanese and koreans, it appears to be the old guard.
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