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[B-Ri]

Sony did the same with the PS1. Had one gimmick (CDs) and ran with it. See that boys, the PS1 was just a gimmick ran well. The wii has someone to look up to.

what gimmic? that CDs were vastly superior to carts, savings passed to both consumer and developer, while keeping on par with that gens graphics and gameplay!?

whoaaa, total gimmic.

IMO DS and Wii can keep selling big on shovel ware, more then enough developers have already said those are their cash cows to fund REAL games on REAL systems (PS3/360)

 

[sooperkool]

It is similar in the fact that some people might see them each as failures (not landing on the moon vs. not being #1) or as successes (nobody died vs. being profitable). This whole topic is kinda silly because everyone has different ideas about what success and failure are. I'm sure the book has more in depth analysis and the title has added shock value just like the EGM cover with the PS3 splattered by a tomato when the article was not as harsh.

I think you forgot about Apollo I, several people died before we got to the moon

 

[Tobor]

what gimmic? that CDs were vastly superior to carts, savings passed to both consumer and developer, while keeping on par with that gens graphics and gameplay!?

whoaaa, total gimmic.

IMO DS and Wii can keep selling big on shovel ware, more then enough developers have already said those are their cash cows to fund REAL games on REAL systems (PS3/360)

:lol :lol

 

[Tobor]

I think you forgot about Apollo I, several people died before we got to the moon

Gus Grissom. /pours out a 40

 

[Beer Monkey]

From Tekken to Devil May Cry, PS1 and PS2 enjoyed the very best de facto exclusives (no moneyhat required!) that their generations had to offer. Their libraries were an embarrassment of riches that PS3 cannot counter with first party titles alone. That's another whole thing that they have to address in addition to the fact that they are going to be the most expensive for the entire 'war'.

Any little birds singing songs about this generation looking anything like the last need to learn some new tunes. It isn't just the Wii, it isn't just the 360 getting a leg up with a smart early launch, it's the whole landscape.

 

[Sharp]

IMO DS and Wii can keep selling big on shovel ware, more then enough developers have already said those are their cash cows to fund REAL games on REAL systems (PS3/360)

DS? Really?

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

what gimmic? that CDs were vastly superior to carts, savings passed to both consumer and developer, while keeping on par with that gens graphics and gameplay!?

whoaaa, total gimmic.

IMO DS and Wii can keep selling big on shovel ware, more then enough developers have already said those are their cash cows to fund REAL games on REAL systems (PS3/360)

If anybody had any doubts to your allegiance, now we know. I was half joking and poking fun at the word 'gimmick'. But you illustrated a big reason why the PS3 has failed: not dancing with the bitch they took to the prom. PS1's success was, in many ways, linked to CD's. Cheaper development, cheaper production, all passed to the consumer with the ability to do the 'Greatest Hits' collection, more space, almost technically superior in everyway, except load times. And what does Sony do? Focus on the technical aspects and advantages and completely ignores the financial advantages.

Actually, they didn't ignore them and actively attacked them. You can't get to 599 US dollars by ignoring those advantages that the PS1 afforded them. Or at least I can't believe they could.

I'm sure that would be in Chapter 1 of this book. Maybe I can write the foreword.

 

[WickedLaharl]

i'm not sure who to hate more at this point

 

[rs7k]

People are in for a rude awakening when publishers will shift high-budgets away from the PS3/360 to the Wii. It's going to happen, Japanese publishers first.

It's not like the Wii can't produce amazing-looking games. Look at Metroid Prime 3 for that.

 

[turtle553]

I think you forgot about Apollo I, several people died before we got to the moon

I was only referring to Apollo 13, not all the Apollo missions.

 

[noleshark]

It is similar in the fact that some people might see them each as failures (not landing on the moon vs. not being #1) or as successes (nobody died vs. being profitable). This whole topic is kinda silly because everyone has different ideas about what success and failure are. I'm sure the book has more in depth analysis and the title has added shock value just like the EGM cover with the PS3 splattered by a tomato when the article was not as harsh.

Sorry I didn't see your point earlier.

 

[-WindYoshi-]

LOVE AND PEACE!!

 

[ShockingAlberto]

IMO DS and Wii can keep selling big on shovel ware, more then enough developers have already said those are their cash cows to fund REAL games on REAL systems (PS3/360)

Right. No real games on the DS.

 

[Gnar Kill]

/exits out the backdoor before things get real messy

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

People are in for a rude awakening when publishers will shift high-budgets away from the PS3/360 to the Wii. It's going to happen, Japanese publishers first.

It's not like the Wii can't produce amazing-looking games. Look at Metroid Prime 3 for that.

The Japanese have largely done this already, but it wasn't Microsoft who depended on them in the first place.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

The last time two consoles "existed" at the same time, in the sense of hardware and software life, was the 16bit era, with the Megadrive and SFC.

Mega Drive was the third place console in Japan, behind SFC and PC Engine.

 

[FortunateSon]

Honestly, all I see is pure stupid circle jerks in this thread. It's like all the Nintendo fans and Xbox fans are just talking among themselves.

Whatever. I don't even uinderstand how did this go 5 pages and up. I don't see any Sony fans in this thread.

:lol :lol :lol

Edit: No Sony fans in this thread, a good thing. Because someway, this thread would just die.

By the way, I FINISHED BIOSHOCK.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I don't see any Sony fans in this thread.

That's funny because I don't see too many in the real world, either.

 

[ParticleReality]

Sounds like someones a little upset he didn't get a Lair reviewers guide.

That's funny because I don't see too many in the real world, either.

We know how to leave that shit at the keyboards.

 

[BravoSuperStar]

I don't see any Sony fans in this thread.

I see at least one.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I see at least one.

Yeah, wait, he didn't read the last 2 pages, did he?

 

[Master Z]

Well, it's certainly true that the PS3 has failed to maintain market domination but it's way too early to deem it a failure as an awesome videogames machine. Way too early.

 

[Tobor]

Yeah, wait, he didn't read the last 2 pages, did he?

/sigh

He never does.

 

[Vagabundo]

I see at least one.

I see dead consoles...

 

[Count Dookkake]

Well, it's certainly true that the PS3 has failed to maintain market domination but it's way too early to deem it a failure as an awesome videogames machine. Way too early.

I don't think the book is called "How the PS3 is a Failure as an Awesome Videogames Machine."

I could be mistaken.

 

[Joe Molotov]

IMO DS and Wii can keep selling big on shovel ware, more then enough developers have already said those are their cash cows to fund REAL games on REAL systems (PS3/360)

LOL, what? :lol I guess that's why Square-Enix has shifted a ton of their development resources over to the DS. Dragon Quest IX will fund REAL games on REAL systems, amirite?

 

[DDayton]

Sensible rational people will look at the PS3's performance from a long term perspective

Given that it is a Japanese book and presumably deals with the PS3 in Japan, where it is currently doing even more pathetically than in America and being outsold by a factor that varies from 4:1 to 6:1... in what possible reality might the PS3 NOT be failing?

 

[Doc Evils]

what gimmic? that CDs were vastly superior to carts, savings passed to both consumer and developer, while keeping on par with that gens graphics and gameplay!?

whoaaa, total gimmic.

IMO DS and Wii can keep selling big on shovel ware, more then enough developers have already said those are their cash cows to fund REAL games on REAL systems (PS3/360)

megaton

 

[drohne]

my cat's name is mittens

 

[Pharmacy]

why would someone write a book about this?

 

[Tobor]

OK, Count Dukakke, That was a good one. :lol

 

[Kintaro]

LOL, what? :lol I guess that's why Square-Enix has shifted a ton of their development resources over to the DS. Dragon Quest IX will fund REAL games on REAL systems, amirite?

I won't get into the "real" crap, but it's not like SE isn't working on big games for the HD consoles. Star Ocean 4, Last Remnant, Final Fantasy 13 stuff, etc. You don't think the money from DS/PSP sales go towards those?

 

[Master Z]

I don't think the book is called "How the PS3 is a Failure as an Awesome Videogames Machine."

I could be mistaken.

No shit sherlock. I know what the title of the book says.

 

[Count Dookkake]

why would someone write a book about this?

Why would someone write a book about the success of the original PS?

No shit sherlock. I know what the title of the book says.

It sure didn't seem that way. Terribly sorry. A thousand apologies and all that.

 

[Joe Molotov]

why would someone write a book about this?

Microsoft moneyhats.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

edit: i find to my shame that i've virtually duplicated a count dookake post

:lol

Can we be friends again?

EDIT: I liked what you had before. Even if he'd beaten you to it.

 

[Mamesj]

Though I love my PS3 and is by far my most used console (only because of PS2/DVD upscaling, PSN games, and blu-ray--no thanks to hard copy PS3 games), the title should be "Why the PS3 is currently failing" which it is.

I dunno, maybe something was lost in translation that would've made it sound less like a final judgment.

 

[manzo]

Microsoft moneyhats.

In Japan?

:lol

 

[FF_VIII]

Book's about 4 years too soon, tbh.

 

[drohne]

:lol

Can we be friends again?

i consider anybody who played and loved chromehounds a friend -- though i don't think we were ever actually in the same clan

 

[Count Dookkake]

my cat's name is mittens

Yeah, nothing worse than an idiot who agrees with you.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I won't get into the "real" crap, but it's not like SE isn't working on big games for the HD consoles. Star Ocean 4, Last Remnant, Final Fantasy 13 stuff, etc. You don't think the money from DS/PSP sales go towards those?

No, the money from the DS and PSP are funding stuff like the DQ4-6 remakes, the FF4-6 remakes, Crisis Core, Star Ocean 1 & 2 remakes, and many other unannounced products.

 

[Tobor]

I won't get into the "real" crap, but it's not like SE isn't working on big games for the HD consoles. Star Ocean 4, Last Remnant, Final Fantasy 13 stuff, etc. You don't think the money from DS/PSP sales go towards those?

I understood everything except this part.

 

[Kintaro]

No, the money from the DS and PSP are funding stuff like the DQ4-6 remakes, the FF4-6 remakes, Crisis Core, Star Ocean 1 & 2 remakes, and many other unannounced products.

Oh ok.

 

[ParticleReality]

In Japan?

:lol

DO DO DO!!!

 

[Kintaro]

I understood everything except this part.

I was trying to be nice. =) Crisis Core will sell a million though.

 

[Jokeropia]

Thanks.

The jist I got was that Sony is still up 4 billion over the past 10 years.

2.9 billion (top chart for the whole fiscal years), but that includes the last few years of the PS1.

 

[ThaiGrocer]

Sony has enough money to sink into their losses for quite some time like MS (with many of their products). I remember hearing that they have a good chunk of revenue coming from their credit/loan sector. I wonder how long they can stick to their guns.

 

[Master Z]

Book's about 4 years too soon, tbh.

Indeed. But this dude's got to eat so writing a book like this is the perfect way to cash in.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I was trying to be nice. =) Crisis Core will sell a million though.

When everything is said and done, it has the potential to be the highest selling PSP game ever.

Which doesn't say much.

Book's about 4 years too soon, tbh.

Don't worry, a 2nd and 3rd edition wont change too much.

:lol